bsc@wuphys.UUCP (Bryan Coughlan) (07/19/85)
[Rich Rosen discussing performers who recycle ...] > Get them off their duffs! Make > them do some creative work for a change. Complete agreement. Since I wrote my last message, I have encountered new evidence which back up your claim about _Sussudio_. It's a shame that talented musicians are too lazy to come up with their own ideas all of the time. Speaking of which ... > (admittedly, "Another Lonely Night", though an incredibly wimpy > song, had the best McCartney melody in ten years!) Try listening to _Yesterday_ by the Beatles. Paul seems to have copied from himself! > Life is complex. It has real and imaginary parts. > Rich Rosen ihnp4!pyuxd!rlr There are alot of songs which are influenced by other songs. They range the spectrum from complete ripoffs (eg. _My Sweet Lord_ - George Harrison) through incomplete plagiarism (_Sussudio_) to bands with only one musical idea that they keep repeating (over and over and over and ...). Actually, I find it fun to try a figure out the precursor songs when hearing a new song which seems vaguely familiar! BUT ... I want to hear some new ideas now and then. -- Bryan S. Coughlan ( Yes, that's right. My first ihnp4!wuphys!bsc two initials are B.S. ! )
rlr@pyuxd.UUCP (Rich Rosen) (07/20/85)
>[Rich Rosen discussing performers who recycle ...] >> Get them off their duffs! Make >> them do some creative work for a change. > >Complete agreement. Since I wrote my last message, I >have encountered new evidence which back up your claim >about _Sussudio_. It's a shame that talented musicians >are too lazy to come up with their own ideas all of the >time. Speaking of which ... > >> (admittedly, "Another Lonely Night", though an incredibly wimpy >> song, had the best McCartney melody in ten years!) > >Try listening to _Yesterday_ by the Beatles. Paul >seems to have copied from himself! [BRYAN COUGHLAN] The only similarity I had detected between "Another Lonely Night" and "Yesterday" is that they are both in F, and I really can't think of any other. (let's not get carried away) Could you elaborate? > There are alot of songs which are influenced by other > songs. They range the spectrum from complete ripoffs > (eg. _My Sweet Lord_ - George Harrison) through > incomplete plagiarism (_Sussudio_) to bands with only > one musical idea that they keep repeating (over and > over and over and ...). Actually, I find it fun to > try a figure out the precursor songs when hearing a > new song which seems vaguely familiar! BUT ... > I want to hear some new ideas now and then. John Lennon was a big fan of musical genealogy or "history of riffs". The first two notes of "Instant Karma" were actually lifted from a song the Beatles used to do in clubs (apparently very hard to find on vinyl) called "Some Other Guy"---they are shown performing it in "The Compleat Beatles". There's nothing wrong with quoting, but when the whole idea of a song is blatantly stolen, that's despicable. In a way, I understand the notion of "subliminal plagiarism"---I only recently noticed that a song I had written some years ago, though utilizing completely different rhythm and vocal part, took its sequence of chords from the "AH... AH.. AHAH" section of "Court of the Crimson King" (and I didn't even own the album!) It was in a different key and used a completely different context, but when it struck me it felt very strange to be a subliminal plagiarist. -- "Do I just cut 'em up like regular chickens?" Rich Rosen ihnp4!pyuxd!rlr
andy@Shasta.ARPA (07/21/85)
> [Rich Rosen discussing performers who recycle ...] > > Get them off their duffs! Make > > them do some creative work for a change. > [Bryan S. Coughlan] > Complete agreement. Since I wrote my last message, I > have encountered new evidence which back up your claim > about _Sussudio_. It's a shame that talented musicians > are too lazy to come up with their own ideas all of the > time. Speaking of which ... Complete DISagreement. Musicians don't OWE us anything, original or not. (This applies to other professions as well.) Variations on "they owe us ... make them" justified Mark Chapman, but he was twisted. Unfortunately, the same attitude in others makes life miserable for people whose only crime is making life a little better. That's a curious way of displaying appreciation. It is also wrong. -andy This is the official opinion of Stanford, the US government, and your cat. ps - Is Cat Stevens really in Iran? Did he really have incurable lung cancer, move to Brazil, and join a fundamentalist Christian group?
rlr@pyuxd.UUCP (Rich Rosen) (07/23/85)
>>[Rich Rosen discussing performers who recycle ...] >>> Get them off their duffs! Make >>> them do some creative work for a change. [Bryan S. Coughlan] >>Complete agreement. Since I wrote my last message, I >>have encountered new evidence which back up your claim >>about _Sussudio_. It's a shame that talented musicians >>are too lazy to come up with their own ideas all of the >>time. Speaking of which ... > Complete DISagreement. Musicians don't OWE us anything, > original or not. (This applies to other professions as > well.) They we certainly don't "owe" them their "we;ll-earned" fortunes. Especially when there are REAL artists and musicians making real art and music who starve. Give me a break! > Variations on "they owe us ... make them" justified > Mark Chapman, but he was twisted. Unfortunately, the > same attitude in others makes life miserable for people > whose only crime is making life a little better. That's > a curious way of displaying appreciation. It is also > wrong. Anything else that's "wrong" that you'd like to educate us all about? Where do you get the twisted notion that an artist's obligation to provide real creativity if he/she wants recompense (imagine that!) leads Chapman to shoot Lennon? Pardon me for thinking... -- "There! I've run rings 'round you logically!" "Oh, intercourse the penguin!" Rich Rosen ihnp4!pyuxd!rlr