jde@everex.uucp (-Jeff Ellis()) (03/28/91)
I would like to give the world the compleate information about Esix 4.0, but (I can see you saw this coming :-) I am restricted from doing so by my bosses. What I can tell you is this (unoffically!) it will be put into production sometime in april (most likley the end of april), It is full SYSV R4 from the latest AT&T sources. Our beta testers have been happy with the product. We will have X11R4, Motif and Open look will be options, On-line manpages will be included, you can get it with or with our paper docs, it will include nsf, SLIP, support for the ventrex TIGA card. What else can I say? Dealers should be getting prices the first week in april.... From my using R4 om my desk, I have had almost no problems porting the public domain software I use here. I have ported the following programs to R4, C-News, ELM, Perl, BSD fortune, rn, trn, Tinymud, lpmudm, fm, ispell, and working on others. For most of these programs all I had to do is set CC=/usr/ucb/cc to "make" them. Some of the above programs are use BSD Sockets (i.e. the MUD's). After using R4 I do not wish to go back to 3.2. If only my home computer had more drive space! You will need at least a 120 meg drive to use most of R4. The following packages will fill a 80 meg drive: Base, Sysadm, C, Man Pages, BSD compat, inet, Nsu, Editing and a ethernet driver. This is a problem with all versions of R4. It can run on a 4 meg of ram but you are better with 8. I hope this helps! I will post Pricing when I can, but don't listen to any until then. I will post offical info when I can if you readers on the net think it is worth the bandwith in this group. DISCLAMER: This is all un-offical! This was posted to help 386 unix users who have asked the questions. This posting is my opion of a helpfull user in the "know" not as a Esix employee! Thanks! -- Jeff Ellis ESIX SYSTEM/V UUCP:uunet!zardoz!everex!jde US Mail: 1923 St. Andrew Place, Santa Ana, CA 92705
evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch) (04/19/91)
In article <1991Apr15.231949.4760@Topsail.ORG> cmurcko@Topsail.ORG (Chuck Murcko) writes: >Many or most of us who have ordered it are still waiting. ESIX hasn't >shipped yet. The last date they told my dealer was 3rd week April. He & I >both agreed that meant mid-May. Apparently, ESIX ships new products all >at once instead of trickling them out. Maybe there's a beta tester out >there who could shed some light on this? There has been, in this group, an abundance of speculation about the pricing, features, and upgrade pricing regarding the System V Release 4 version of ESIX. As a prime ESIX dealer in Canada, we received a lengthy fax recently which describes the ESIX 4.0 product. I will try to keep this as informative, accurate and hype-free as possible. However, if you are offended by even mildly commercial postings, please press 'n' now. AVAILABILITY: Everex's Canadian office says they'll be shipping me my first copies of ESIX 4.0 the first week of May, well in time for us to debut it at the Canadian UNIX show in mid-month. They won't commit to that ship date in writing :-), but say the R&D folk in Santa Ana are ready for that deadline. The Beta tests are apparently over. PRICING: (U.S. list - Canadian pricing coming soon) With printed No printed documentation documentation 2 user runtime 765 600 2 user w/development 1205 1040 unlimited runtime 1425 1095 unlimited w/development 1865 1595 A few noteworthy points: 1) Many vendors, including us, sell ESIX below list price; 2) Though the increase appears steep, note that this price now includes the Motif GUI and NFS, which were both extra cost options with ESIX r3.2. 3) On-line documentation will be supplied with all the above variants. The printed documentation will be similar to the UNIX Press (Prentice Hall) SysVr4 set. UPGRADES: My information here is a little sketchier, but there is definitely an upgrade path for current owners of ESIX 3.2. I believe the upgrade pricing is being set in such a way that the cost of 3.2 PLUS the cost of the upgrade is just slightly less than the cost of buying 4.0 new. The ballpark on the upgrade from 3.2 unlimited development to 4.0 is about $650. Check with the dealer who sold you 3.2. FEATURES: (Note: ESIX 4.0 carries over all the features of generic UNIX Release 4, as well as ESIX release 3.2. This is a minimal list, and may include features which are available in releases of V4 from other vendors): X Windows Version 11.4, with support for both Open Look and Motif 1.1. Graphics adaptors supported by ESIX 3.2 are supported in 4.0, as well as monochrome Hercules adapters and graphics cards based on the TI 34010. X11/NeWS is also included; SLIP support is provided over COM1: and COM2:; Full BSD socket (as well as System V TLI) libraries; As mentioned, on-line man pages (*not* in troff source form); TCP/IP, RFS, and NFS; OA&M system administration software; Support for SCSI, ESDI, IDE, RLL and MFM drives; The ANSI C compiler generates either COFF or ELF binary formats; MINIMUM INSTALLATION REQUIREMENTS: 80386sx, 30386 or 80486 system 4 Meg RAM (8 if using X Windows) >60 Meg Hard Disk (>100 Meg if using X Windows) The floppy distribution, I'm told, comes on more than 100 diskettes. ESIX is moving towards using QIC-60 cartridges whenever possible. That's it for now. If you want any more, send mail. -- Evan Leibovitch, Sound Software, located in beautiful Brampton, Ontario evan@telly.on.ca / uunet!attcan!telly!evan / (416) 452-0504 "Americans think they drink beer but it's only Budweiser - the Tang of Beers"
john@jwt.UUCP (John Temples) (04/20/91)
In article <280E7DFC.19B8@telly.on.ca> evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch) writes: >2) Though the increase appears steep, note that this price now > includes the Motif GUI and NFS, which were both extra cost options > with ESIX r3.2. Another ESIX dealer posted here that Motif is *not* included in SVR4, and that it is a $325 option. Has this changed? -- John W. Temples -- john@jwt.UUCP (uunet!jwt!john)
rden@rden.gen.nz (Robert den Hartog) (04/20/91)
In article <280E7DFC.19B8@telly.on.ca> evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch) writes: >In article <1991Apr15.231949.4760@Topsail.ORG> cmurcko@Topsail.ORG (Chuck Murcko) writes: [ content deleted ] >As a prime ESIX dealer in Canada, we received a lengthy fax recently >which describes the ESIX 4.0 product. [ ... ] >The floppy distribution, I'm told, comes on more than 100 diskettes. >ESIX is moving towards using QIC-60 cartridges whenever possible. Over 100 diskettes? Why is SVR4 so much larger then SvR3.2? (about 4 times) Can we assume then the contents aren't compressed? Are the other SVR4 distributions as large, (DELL, UHC etc,) and does they include all of the same features ie >(Note: ESIX 4.0 carries over all the features of generic UNIX Release 4, as >well as ESIX release 3.2. This is a minimal list, and may include features >which are available in releases of V4 from other vendors): > >X Windows Version 11.4, with support for both Open Look and Motif 1.1. >Graphics adaptors supported by ESIX 3.2 are supported in 4.0, as well as >monochrome Hercules adapters and graphics cards based on the TI 34010. >X11/NeWS is also included; > >SLIP support is provided over COM1: and COM2:; > >Full BSD socket (as well as System V TLI) libraries; > >As mentioned, on-line man pages (*not* in troff source form); > >TCP/IP, RFS, and NFS; > >OA&M system administration software; > >Support for SCSI, ESDI, IDE, RLL and MFM drives; > >The ANSI C compiler generates either COFF or ELF binary formats; I have heard that the SVR4 kernal is eccesively large, (and some people are complaining about minor kernal bloat from Nortons and such like, but thats another thread.) How much larger is the SVR4 kernal? And, _if it is a *lot* fatter, why?_ Of the distribution set, how large (approx), are the packages, ie base system, dev system, X11 etc? (In floppies/megabytes) Is the boot floppy now two, like SCO Unix? NFS is a fairly costly item, and isn't in my required list, why is it bundled in? (I bet there are other people who don't need it either. This would also be true for the dev sys.) Finally (for now) is the text processing package included or available? (Ok, I know some people will say use TeX for nothing, blah blah, to you people, why does so much of the free software on the net still come with *roff format docs) -- Why do we have alarm clocks? Surely God meant for us to sleep longer. Hey, have a nice one. Robert den Hartog. {rden|robert}@{rden|mercury}.gen.nz ...If it don't work, yell it, I like bang paths, they work.
larry@nstar.rn.com (Larry Snyder) (04/21/91)
john@jwt.UUCP (John Temples) writes: >Another ESIX dealer posted here that Motif is *not* included in SVR4, >and that it is a $325 option. Has this changed? Not in the OEM/Distributor information that we received from ESIX this week - -- Larry Snyder, NSTAR Public Access Unix 219-289-0287 (HST/PEP/V.32/v.42bis) regional UUCP mapping coordinator {larry@nstar.rn.com, ..!uunet!nstar.rn.com!larry}
peter@ficc.ferranti.com (Peter da Silva) (04/25/91)
In article <1991Apr20.020616.25392@jwt.UUCP> john@jwt.UUCP (John Temples) writes: > Another ESIX dealer posted here that Motif is *not* included in SVR4, > and that it is a $325 option. Has this changed? Who cares? Motif and Open Look both are just marketing gimmicks. -- Peter da Silva. `-_-' peter@ferranti.com +1 713 274 5180. 'U` "Have you hugged your wolf today?"
fangchin@elaine54.Stanford.EDU (Chin Fang) (04/25/91)
In article <R-YARL7@xds13.ferranti.com> peter@ficc.ferranti.com (Peter da Silva) writes: >In article <1991Apr20.020616.25392@jwt.UUCP> john@jwt.UUCP (John Temples) writes: >> Another ESIX dealer posted here that Motif is *not* included in SVR4, >> and that it is a $325 option. Has this changed? > >Who cares? Motif and Open Look both are just marketing gimmicks. I happen work on setting up OpenWindow(R) for our SPARC stations lately. Honestly, if you are "speed craving" then I would guess you will "hate" Open Look even more. Man, this thing is slow loading and so Mac-looking I was shocked! Even a SPARC 2 can't help much and we are talking about serious MIPS available already! A plain X + twm is fine enough to me. Lean and mean <- key! Chin Fang Mechanical Engineering Department Stanford University fangchin@leland.stanford.edu
jde@everex.uucp (-Jeff Ellis()) (04/26/91)
In article <280E7DFC.19B8@telly.on.ca> evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch) writes >PRICING: (U.S. list - Canadian pricing coming soon) > > With printed No printed > documentation documentation > >2 user runtime 765 600 >2 user w/development 1425 1095 >unlimited runtime 1205 1040 >unlimited w/development 1865 1595 I am sorry this is wrong info! These are the International Prices that Evan posted! The US Price are: 2 user runtime 695 545 2 user w/development 1295 995 unlimited runtime 1095 945 unlimited w/development 1695 1395 >A few noteworthy points: > >2) Though the increase appears steep, note that this price now > includes the Motif GUI and NFS, which were both extra cost options > with ESIX r3.2. Wrong.... NFS is INCLUDED but Motif or Open Look is $325. >UPGRADES: > >The ballpark on the upgrade from 3.2 unlimited development to 4.0 is >about $650. Check with the dealer who sold you 3.2. As above for full upgrade info call your Esix dealer, Esix is also putting into effect a new upgrade plan. We will up grade ANY current Unix System V Release 3.2 customer from any vender (i.e. ISC, Intel, SCO) to Esix 4.0. Sample upgrade prices..... 2 user Dev. w/out docs $395 (US price) Unlmtd user Dev w/out docs $595 (US price) Upgrade ESIX 3.2 Motif to Esix Graphics II (motif 1.1) $199 (US prices) Please call your Esix dealer for more info. If you do not have a local dealer call Esix Sales for info. Western Region: (714) 259-3020 Eastern Region: (415) 683-2068 > >FEATURES: ..... >SLIP support is provided over COM1: and COM2:; Slip is supported over any stream based asy port and it shares the port. >The ANSI C compiler generates either COFF or ELF binary formats; Generates only ELF.... Esix 4.0 is a full version of AT&T 4.0 rel 3 -- Jeff Ellis ESIX SYSTEM/V UUCP:uunet!zardoz!everex!jde US Mail: 1923 St. Andrew Place, Santa Ana, CA 92705
scotte@applix.com (Scott Evernden) (04/27/91)
In article <1991Apr26.155142.16207@everex.uucp> jde@everex.uucp (-Jeff Ellis()) writes: With printed No printed documentation documentation >2 user runtime 695 545 >2 user w/development 1295 995 >unlimited runtime 1095 945 >unlimited w/development 1695 1395 > > .... NFS is INCLUDED but Motif or Open Look is $325. If this is true, then the ESIX prices are not particularly attractive (to me anyway). Doesn't DELL supply both GUIs for no extra cost? -scott
tmh@prosun.first.gmd.de (Thomas Hoberg) (05/07/91)
In article <1991Apr25.040749.19592@leland.Stanford.EDU>, fangchin@elaine54.Stanford.EDU (Chin Fang) writes: |> In article <R-YARL7@xds13.ferranti.com> peter@ficc.ferranti.com (Peter da Silva) writes: |> >In article <1991Apr20.020616.25392@jwt.UUCP> john@jwt.UUCP (John Temples) writes: |> >> Another ESIX dealer posted here that Motif is *not* included in SVR4, |> >> and that it is a $325 option. Has this changed? |> > |> >Who cares? Motif and Open Look both are just marketing gimmicks. |> |> I happen work on setting up OpenWindow(R) for our SPARC stations lately. |> Honestly, if you are "speed craving" then I would guess you will "hate" |> Open Look even more. Man, this thing is slow loading and so Mac-looking |> I was shocked! Even a SPARC 2 can't help much and we are talking about |> serious MIPS available already! |> |> A plain X + twm is fine enough to me. Lean and mean <- key! Well, I tend to favor OpenLook rather than plain X on my Sparcstation 2. Sure it takes 32MB of main memory to run without too much paging, but it's actually faster than plain X on many operations, because it supports the GX on my workstation which X ignores (are there GX patches?). I switched from tvtwm to olwm Sure it's a matter of taste and personal preference, but I found it far more intuitive to use than [tv]twm. Sure it lacks programma- bility but if I were ever to miss that, I'd probably start using gwm. So far I earn my money writing programs not by writing window manager scripts. Being able to run Framemaker(Suntools), to edit via Epoch(X), and to read News via xrn(X) all at the same time isn't bad, either. |> |> Chin Fang |> Mechanical Engineering Department |> Stanford University |> fangchin@leland.stanford.edu -- tom ---- Thomas M. Hoberg | UUCP: tmh@bigfoot.first.gmd.de or tmh%gmdtub@tub.UUCP c/o GMD Berlin | ...!unido!tub!gmdtub!tmh (Europe) or D-1000 Berlin 12 | ...!unido!tub!tmh Hardenbergplatz 2 | ...!pyramid!tub!tmh (World) Germany | BITNET: tmh%DB0TUI6.BITNET@DB0TUI11 or +49-30-254 99 160 | tmh@tub.BITNET