NPOPE@GTRI01.GATECH.EDU (05/22/91)
Has anyone gotten AT&T Unix System V R4 to work with an adaptec 1542B
SCSI controller. If so how. If not, why not. Does AT&T Expect that no
one owns any other kind of hardware besides AT&T hardware.
NICK G. POPE (GEORGIA INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY)
OFFICE OF INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY - TECHNICAL SUPPORT - IBM SUPPORT DEPT.
** THE VEIWS PRESENTED HERE ARE MY OWN AND DO NOT REFLECT THAT OF OIT **randy@chinet.chi.il.us (Randy Suess) (05/22/91)
In article <91141.163751NPOPE@GTRI01.GATECH.EDU> NPOPE@GTRI01.GATECH.EDU writes: >Has anyone gotten AT&T Unix System V R4 to work with an adaptec 1542B >SCSI controller. If so how. If not, why not. Does AT&T Expect that no >one owns any other kind of hardware besides AT&T hardware. AT&T supports ONLY their hardware under their UNIX. They do not sell their UNIX seperately, and supplies no drivers for anything other than their hardware, i.e., tape drives, disk drives, ethernet cards, etc. If you have AT&T UNIX, then you have AT&T hardware. -- Randy Suess randy@chinet.chi.il.us
tin@smsc.sony.com (Le Tin) (05/23/91)
In article <91141.163751NPOPE@GTRI01.GATECH.EDU> NPOPE@GTRI01.GATECH.EDU writes: >Has anyone gotten AT&T Unix System V R4 to work with an adaptec 1542B >SCSI controller. If so how. If not, why not. Does AT&T Expect that no >one owns any other kind of hardware besides AT&T hardware. > Yes. I used the driver that came with it. It is a version that I don't believe anyone other than AT&T source licensees have, SVR4 v3.0 and v4.0 Both v3.0 and v4.0 works with the 1542B just fine. The card is connected to a 486/33 (and also tested with a 386/20) - non-AT&T machine. These machines were used to compile SVR4. I can't really say much more about the code, since our source license restricts me from disclosing information. I have a Dell machine here (the 486/33) running Dell SVR4 v2.01 but it is using ESDI. The 1542B was tested in the machine and Dell SVR4 didn't have any problem recognizing the board and using it. We are thinking of obtaining the new Adaptec 1740 to use since the Dell box is EISA bus. The current driver is only for a 1542A (at least the driver source stated as such). It will need to be rewritten for the 1740, otherwise I assume I could use the 1740 in 1542B emulation mode. -- Tin Le -- .---------------------------------------------------------------------- . Tin Le Work Internet: tin@smsc.Sony.COM . Sony Microsystems UUCP: {uunet,mips}!sonyusa!tin . Work: (408) 944-4157 Home Internet: tin@szebra.uu.net
pjh@mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg) (05/23/91)
In article <1991May22.131919.404@chinet.chi.il.us> randy@chinet.chi.il.us (Randy Suess) writes: =In article <91141.163751NPOPE@GTRI01.GATECH.EDU> NPOPE@GTRI01.GATECH.EDU writes: =>Has anyone gotten AT&T Unix System V R4 to work with an adaptec 1542B =>SCSI controller. If so how. If not, why not. Does AT&T Expect that no =>one owns any other kind of hardware besides AT&T hardware. = = AT&T supports ONLY their hardware under their UNIX. They do = not sell their UNIX seperately, and supplies no drivers for = anything other than their hardware, i.e., tape drives, disk = drives, ethernet cards, etc. If you have AT&T UNIX, then you = have AT&T hardware. But their VARs may indeed sell AT&T UNIX alone or with clones, supplying drivers for whatever peripheral devices they sell. I'm buying UNIX alone from a VAR in Philly, and when we bought our 386/33 from a (terrible) NJ VAR, we also bought a WangDAT with a driver the VAR supplied (don't know where *it* came from) and a Consensys HD controller with a driver from Consensys. Pete -- Prof. Peter J. Holsberg Mercer County Community College Voice: 609-586-4800 Engineering Technology, Computers and Math UUCP:...!princeton!mccc!pjh 1200 Old Trenton Road, Trenton, NJ 08690 Internet: pjh@mccc.edu TCF 92 TENTATIVELY on April 18-19, 1992
randy@chinet.chi.il.us (Randy Suess) (05/24/91)
In article <1991May23.142018.506@mccc.edu> pjh@mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg) writes: >= AT&T supports ONLY their hardware under their UNIX. > >But their VARs may indeed sell AT&T UNIX alone or with clones, supplying >drivers for whatever peripheral devices they sell. >Prof. Peter J. Holsberg Mercer County Community College And what do you do when you want to add something? Such as a second disk controller (not supported), or a multiport board. If they are not AT&T (and they don't have much), they are not supported. You cannot get support for your UNIX if it is not running on an AT&T box with AT&T hardware. And most VARS know less about the system than you do. -- Randy Suess randy@chinet.chi.il.us
pjh@mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg) (05/25/91)
In article <1991May24.141223.271@chinet.chi.il.us> randy@chinet.chi.il.us (Randy Suess) writes: =In article <1991May23.142018.506@mccc.edu> pjh@mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg) writes: =>= AT&T supports ONLY their hardware under their UNIX. => =>But their VARs may indeed sell AT&T UNIX alone or with clones, supplying =>drivers for whatever peripheral devices they sell. =>Prof. Peter J. Holsberg Mercer County Community College = = And what do you do when you want to add something? Such as = a second disk controller (not supported), Well, I'd ask a lot of questions on USENET (OK for a college but not so hot for a commercial enterprise). :-) = or a multiport board. I did add a couple of Equinox boards and their support has been good. = If they are not AT&T (and they don't have much), = they are not supported. You cannot get support for your = UNIX if it is not running on an AT&T box with AT&T hardware. From AT&T, you mean? I *am* getting AT&T support for AT&T UNIX running on an AT&T 386 which has a WangDAT, a Consensys HD controller and a couple of Equinox multiports. But I'm about to purchase another system with a clone as a file server and AT&T has not yet said that they would not support it. The account rep said she'd like not to lose the sale of a server, though. = And most VARS know less about the system than you do. And considering that "I am but an egg," that ain't saying much about the VARs! But actually, I agree with you. I would have liked to avoid buying this new LAN from AT&T but no one locally is willing to do a TCP/IP installation for me and no one has come up with a suggestion on an MSDOS mail program a la Word Perfect Office for the MSDOS clients (they're the only clients on a proposed UNIX server), so it looks like I'm going win LM/X and AT&T! :-( Pete -- Prof. Peter J. Holsberg Mercer County Community College Voice: 609-586-4800 Engineering Technology, Computers and Math FAX: 609-586-6944 1200 Old Trenton Road, Trenton, NJ 08690 Internet: pjh@mccc.edu TCF 92 - April ??-??, 1992
les@chinet.chi.il.us (Leslie Mikesell) (05/26/91)
In article <1991May25.132814.4876@mccc.edu> pjh@mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg) writes: >From AT&T, you mean? I *am* getting AT&T support for AT&T UNIX running >on an AT&T 386 which has a WangDAT, a Consensys HD controller and a >couple of Equinox multiports. But I'm about to purchase another system >with a clone as a file server and AT&T has not yet said that they would >not support it. The account rep said she'd like not to lose the sale of >a server, though. My experience is that when you call AT&T support, you need the serial number from one of their boxes. As long as you know the quirks of your AT&T box and the clone and don't ask about things that are different you should be able to wing it. >But actually, I agree with you. I would have liked to avoid buying this >new LAN from AT&T but no one locally is willing to do a TCP/IP >installation for me and no one has come up with a suggestion on an MSDOS >mail program a la Word Perfect Office for the MSDOS clients (they're the >only clients on a proposed UNIX server), so it looks like I'm going win >LM/X and AT&T! :-( That should run on top of TCP/IP if you want, but the only advantage would be to connect to other machines running TCP/IP. If you've already got a starlan net, the LM/X should drop right in and you should be able to put in 10base-T for the new stuff and bridge it to the old 1M starlan if you want to keep any of it. I'm not sure if it's worth changing the cards in a slow PC - they probably can't load even the 1M net. PMX-Starmail isn't bad as a DOS mail interface if you toss the "enhanced" unix mail transport that comes with it and replace it with something like smail3 (it needs to handle binary attachments). If mail under DOS is important, you can also set up dial-up connections that look just like the lan stations but you need a different set of products (Access Plus and pmxpc). It's possible to run Access Plus over starlan using the naucom driver if you only want to have one package, but the driver takes some additional memory. Les Mikesell les@chinet.chi.il.us
pjh@mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg) (05/27/91)
In article <1991May26.165851.10315@chinet.chi.il.us> les@chinet.chi.il.us (Leslie Mikesell) writes: =In article <1991May25.132814.4876@mccc.edu> pjh@mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg) writes: = =>From AT&T, you mean? I *am* getting AT&T support for AT&T UNIX running =>on an AT&T 386 which has a WangDAT, a Consensys HD controller and a =>couple of Equinox multiports. But I'm about to purchase another system =>with a clone as a file server and AT&T has not yet said that they would =>not support it. The account rep said she'd like not to lose the sale of =>a server, though. = =My experience is that when you call AT&T support, you need the serial =number from one of their boxes. Unless your account exec intervenes. :-) =>But actually, I agree with you. I would have liked to avoid buying this =>new LAN from AT&T but no one locally is willing to do a TCP/IP =>installation for me and no one has come up with a suggestion on an MSDOS =>mail program a la Word Perfect Office for the MSDOS clients (they're the =>only clients on a proposed UNIX server), so it looks like I'm going win =>LM/X and AT&T! :-( = =That should run on top of TCP/IP if you want, but the only advantage would =be to connect to other machines running TCP/IP. If you've already got =a starlan net, the LM/X should drop right in and you should be able to =put in 10base-T for the new stuff and bridge it to the old 1M starlan if =you want to keep any of it. I'm not sure if it's worth changing the =cards in a slow PC - they probably can't load even the 1M net. PMX-Starmail =isn't bad as a DOS mail interface if you toss the "enhanced" unix mail =transport that comes with it and replace it with something like smail3 =(it needs to handle binary attachments). If mail under DOS is important, =you can also set up dial-up connections that look just like the lan =stations but you need a different set of products (Access Plus and =pmxpc). It's possible to run Access Plus over starlan using the naucom =driver if you only want to have one package, but the driver takes some =additional memory. Never heard of Access Plus or pmxpc, but that's not the point. Because of AT&T's insistence on having one of their computers, I'm trying to wean the College away from AT&T towards vendors that will support their software and/or hardware, almost regardless of server hardware. I don't expect Dell, for example, to troubleshoot my system if I run Dell's UNIX and something goes wrong, but I do expect them to talk to me just because I bought *something* from them. As you point out, AT&T will not talk to you unless you can produce a computer serial number, even if your problem lies somewhere else. I wonder if that will change when NCR takes over the computer business. Pete -- Prof. Peter J. Holsberg Mercer County Community College Voice: 609-586-4800 Engineering Technology, Computers and Math FAX: 609-586-6944 1200 Old Trenton Road, Trenton, NJ 08690 Internet: pjh@mccc.edu TCF 92 - April ??-??, 1992
Pete.Holsberg@sunbrk.FidoNet.Org (Pete Holsberg) (05/28/91)
In article <1991May26.165851.10315@chinet.chi.il.us> les@chinet.chi.il.us (Leslie Mikesell) writes: =In article <1991May25.132814.4876@mccc.edu> pjh@mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg) writes: = =>From AT&T, you mean? I *am* getting AT&T support for AT&T UNIX running =>on an AT&T 386 which has a WangDAT, a Consensys HD controller and a =>couple of Equinox multiports. But I'm about to purchase another system =>with a clone as a file server and AT&T has not yet said that they would =>not support it. The account rep said she'd like not to lose the sale of =>a server, though. = =My experience is that when you call AT&T support, you need the serial =number from one of their boxes. Unless your account exec intervenes. :-) =>But actually, I agree with you. I would have liked to avoid buying this =>new LAN from AT&T but no one locally is willing to do a TCP/IP =>installation for me and no one has come up with a suggestion on an MSDOS =>mail program a la Word Perfect Office for the MSDOS clients (they're the =>only clients on a proposed UNIX server), so it looks like I'm going win =>LM/X and AT&T! :-( = =That should run on top of TCP/IP if you want, but the only advantage would =be to connect to other machines running TCP/IP. If you've already got =a starlan net, the LM/X should drop right in and you should be able to =put in 10base-T for the new stuff and bridge it to the old 1M starlan if =you want to keep any of it. I'm not sure if it's worth changing the =cards in a slow PC - they probably can't load even the 1M net. PMX-Starmail =isn't bad as a DOS mail interface if you toss the "enhanced" unix mail =transport that comes with it and replace it with something like smail3 =(it needs to handle binary attachments). If mail under DOS is important, =you can also set up dial-up connections that look just like the lan =stations but you need a different set of products (Access Plus and =pmxpc). It's possible to run Access Plus over starlan using the naucom =driver if you only want to have one package, but the driver takes some =additional memory. Never heard of Access Plus or pmxpc, but that's not the point. Because of AT&T's insistence on having one of their computers, I'm trying to wean the College away from AT&T towards vendors that will support their software and/or hardware, almost regardless of server hardware. I don't expect Dell, for example, to troubleshoot my system if I run Dell's UNIX and something goes wrong, but I do expect them to talk to me just because I bought *something* from them. As you point out, AT&T will not talk to you unless you can produce a computer serial number, even if your problem lies somewhere else. I wonder if that will change when NCR takes over the computer business. Pete -- Prof. Peter J. Holsberg Mercer County Community College Voice: 609-586-4800 Engineering Technology, Computers and Math FAX: 609-586-6944 1200 Old Trenton Road, Trenton, NJ 08690 Internet: pjh@mccc.edu TCF 92 - April ??-??, 1992 * Origin: Seaeast - Fidonet<->Usenet Gateway - sunbrk (1:343/15.0)
bdt@cookie.bae.bellcore.com (Drew Turock) (06/01/91)
In article <1991May22.131919.404@chinet.chi.il.us>, randy@chinet.chi.il.us (Randy Suess) writes: >In article <91141.163751NPOPE@GTRI01.GATECH.EDU> NPOPE@GTRI01.GATECH.EDU writes: >>Has anyone gotten AT&T Unix System V R4 to work with an adaptec 1542B >>SCSI controller. If so how. If not, why not. Does AT&T Expect that no >>one owns any other kind of hardware besides AT&T hardware. > > AT&T supports ONLY their hardware under their UNIX. They do > not sell their UNIX seperately, and supplies no drivers for > anything other than their hardware, i.e., tape drives, disk > drives, ethernet cards, etc. If you have AT&T UNIX, then you > have AT&T hardware. > >-- >Randy Suess >randy@chinet.chi.il.us A friend of mine recently bought a Northgate (386) with the Adaptec 1542B. He thought that AT&T UNIX was the way to go but (after it was paid for) found that this configuration wouldn't work. AT&T told him that the only SCSI board the AT&T OS will support is the Weston Digital 7000. Otherwise you are S.O.L. (Sh*t Outta Luck) He then bought SCO which he is happy with.... He's still looking for someone who wants to buy an AT&T Unix/386 operating system and development package real cheap if anyone wants it.... -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Drew Turock Bellcore, bellcore!bae!bdt Piscataway, NJ
zfgo01@hgo7.hou.amoco.com (F. G. Oakes) (06/01/91)
I guess I don't understand the fuss since I wouldn't expect GM to support their transmission on a Ford.
dpr@tcsc3b2.tcsc.com (Dave Romig) (06/04/91)
pjh@mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg) writes: [previous discussion deleted] >Never heard of Access Plus or pmxpc, but that's not the point. Because >of AT&T's insistence on having one of their computers, I'm trying to >wean the College away from AT&T towards vendors that will support their >software and/or hardware, almost regardless of server hardware. I don't >expect Dell, for example, to troubleshoot my system if I run Dell's UNIX >and something goes wrong, but I do expect them to talk to me just >because I bought *something* from them. As you point out, AT&T will not >talk to you unless you can produce a computer serial number, even if >your problem lies somewhere else. We currently have AT&T SysVr4v2.0, Dell SysVr4v2.1 and MicroPort SysVr4v2.2. Testing the various support groups has yielded exactly the fears you expressed. AT&T and Dell like to speak only of their own boxes. outside of that, they like to take the money for the original sale of software, but when it comes to getting support, they acquire temporary amnesia. MicroPort, however, has been a pleasure to work with regarding support. We try to be very specific and provide a "clean" bug report. We are running their SysVr4v2.2 on a Tangent 486/33 EISA, 32MB RAM with BusTek 742, 1.4GB disk and both DAT and QIC150/250 tapes. Tangent and Microport were a great help getting dual protocol stacks running (OSI/Starlan + TCP/IP) over a mixture of AT&T and Western Digital boards. Neither vendor supplied any of the network hardware. Both vendors take a realistic approach to the support job. If we can reproduce the problem, we will try to solve it. In return, we try to help them isolate the problem to a specific area that they can easily reproduce. >I wonder if that will change when NCR takes over the computer business. Unlikely ... we've been VAR's for both long enough to suffer through both organization's support teams. Both vendors have support problems and good support is the exception, not the rule. _______________________________________________________________________________ David P. Romig INTERNET: tcsc@tcsc3b2.tcsc.com The Computer Solution Co. USENET: ...!tcsc3b2!tcsc 831 Grove Road CompuServe: 74116,2345 Midlothian, VA 23113-0716 UUCP: tcsc3b2!tcsc (804)794-1514 _______________________________________________________________________________