[net.ham-radio] TS-430 frequency display; mods

Halbert.PA@XEROX.ARPA (09/18/84)

W3IKG's message about inaccurate frequency readout on the TS-430S is
somewhat misleading. I speak as an owner of a TS-430S who knows the
circuitry fairly well.

The 430 never gives an incorrect frequency readout on the frequency
display. The tuning knob uses an optical shaft encoder and quadrature
encoding to send pulses to the microprocessor. The microprocessor counts
these pulses. If you spin the knob quickly, a few pulses get lost
somewhere, perhaps by the microprocessor which may be busy doing other
things. So the tuning rate (kHz/revolution) is not always exactly the
same.

This means that you can't rely on the black marks on the tuning knob for
calibration unless you don't spin the knob at high speed. On the other
hand, you can always look at the frequency display, which is always
accurate, since it is updated by the microprocessor and reflects the
numbers the microprocessor is sending to the frequency synthesizer. So
think of the marks on the knob as a styling feature, and not as
calibration marks.

(I have some mods by W6EED for the 430 to improve the performance of the
noise blanker and correct possible AGC overshoot. They just involve
changing a couple of resistors. I don't have them here, but will get
them soon and send a message next week.)

--Dan, N6ICX

jhs%Mitre-Bedford@sri-unix.UUCP (09/18/84)

Well, either the TS-430S DOES give incorrect readings, or else a respected
friend of mine doesn't know what he is talking about.  He went through the
alignment procedure quite carefully, especially after my cousin N4AZY and
I both chided him for being nearly 200 Hz off frequency relative to our true
frequency counters on older TS120-S and TS-130S rigs.

He came back and told us that after much puzzling over the schematic diagram,
he had concluded to his extreme annoyance that Kenwood's design does NOT
provide true counter operation, but merely reads out its own idea of what the
frequency OUGHT to be, as in your "numbers it is sending to the synthesizer".
(Clearly, a readout of numbers SENT TO the synthesizer is an "open loop"
measurement, not a true readout of synthesizer output frequency.  For one
thing, what if there is a logic failure in the synthesizer?  Where would a 430
owner be THEN?  Why, probably out of band, while reading out a nice comforting
frequency within the band.)

My friend aligned his rig for precise readout accuracy at one point on the 20
Meter band, as the manual told him to, and then found that it was off by about
160 Hz at the other end of the band, as read with a well-known and highly
accurate brand of frequency counter.  That is to say, the digital readout on
the 430 and the counter agreed exactly at the calibration point, and differed
by 160 Hz at the other end of the band.  Which obviously cannot be attributed
to "dial slippage" or "lost pulses".  Sorry to disillusion you 430 owners out
there!

I rest my case.  If you still think your 430 gives exact counter readouts,
I suggest you get a REAL counter and check it at several points on the dial.
If it checks out everywhere, then I would be interested to hear about it and
so would N1BHI who pointed out the problem to me originally.  (Maybe Kenwood
has seen the error of their ways and redesigned the unit to get rid of this
very annoying "feature".)  I bet you will find a 100 - 200 Hz error at a few
points, which should be readily detectable, since their digital readout shows
10-Hz increments.  Unless you find out that my information really is
incorrect, BEWARE of operating right at the band edge, and BEWARE of the
possibility of a logic failure which could put you out of band.  To be legal,
you need a separate means of checking the 430's output frequency!

					73 and apologies for being
					the bearer of bad news...

					de W3IKG

karn@mouton.UUCP (09/22/84)

I don't know about the TS-430, but on synthesized VHF radios such
as the Kenwood TR-9000 (which I have) there is a mechanism which
explains small frequency calibration errors.

Very few radios are actually synthesized to such small frequency
steps such as 100 hz; this makes the phase lock loop design much
more difficult. Instead, they typically have two oscillators which
are mixed to generate the final LO signal: a "coarse" synthesized generator
which operates on, say, 10 khz steps, and a "fine" conventional analog VCO
which is operated over a relatively small range (10 khz) with a control
voltage generated by a D/A converter.  This means that while the
frequency accuracy over a wide range will be fairly good, there may
be small (several hundred hertz) errors which cyclically repeat due to
nonlinearities in the D/A converter or the VCO (which is often a crystal
oscillator and a variable capacitance diode.)  There can also be
nonlinearities when tuning through a "coarse" frequency step, e.g.,
a 10 khz boundary on the TR-9000 when the PLL synthesizer changes
its output by one step and the analog VCO must sweep from one end of
its range to the other. This is particularly noticeable on the TR-9000
in lower sideband.

Phil Karn