len@netsys.NETSYS.COM (Len Rose) (10/10/90)
Here is an article posted in comp.sources.wanted/alt.sources.d I cannot defend myself very well against this since it has been sent to every site in the world. If I had done something like this, perhaps the charges I am facing would be different. All I can say is that I can account for anything I ever sold to anyone. # BEGINNING OF ARTICLE >Path: lsicom2!uunet!snorkelwacker!usc!cs.utexas.edu!execu!sequoia!rpp386!jfh >From: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II) >Newsgroups: comp.sources.wanted,alt.sources.d >Subject: Re: System V uptime >Message-ID: <18577@rpp386.cactus.org> >Date: 9 Oct 90 04:09:20 GMT >References: <195@netsys.NETSYS.COM> >Reply-To: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II) >Followup-To: alt.sources.d,comp.sources.wanted >Organization: Lone Star Cafe and BBS Service >Lines: 29 >Xref: lsicom2 comp.sources.wanted:1152 alt.sources.d:327 >X-Clever-Slogan: Recycle or Die. In article <195@netsys.NETSYS.COM> len@netsys.NETSYS.COM (Len Rose) writes: >Hi.. I used to have this source, but now it's temporarily >unavailable.. (It went with the rest of my software and equipment) > >If someone can lend a hand and send me a copy, I'd appreciate it. >Or, perhaps a pointer to an ftp site. just as a note, this is the same len rose that sold stolen computer equipment to a number of close personal friends of mine. there has never been any doubt in their minds that len was well aware of the stolen-ness of the equipment which he was selling them. perhaps we could have mr. rose detail the circumstances surrounding his arrest, including the reasons and evidence which the government has. giving aid or comfort to mr. rose would be akin to giving benedict arnold a congressional medal of honor. it is also worth noting that a number of people involved in operation sun devil have had some direct or indirect dealings with mr. rose. giving him source code would be like giving the government an excuse to search and sieze your computer. -- John F. Haugh II UUCP: ...!cs.utexas.edu!rpp386!jfh Ma Bell: (512) 832-8832 Domain: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org "SCCS, the source motel! Programs check in and never check out!" -- Ken Thompson # END OF ARTICLE
jgd@rsiatl.UUCP (John G. DeArmond) (10/11/90)
len@netsys.NETSYS.COM (Len Rose) writes: >Here is an article posted in comp.sources.wanted/alt.sources.d >I cannot defend myself very well against this since it has been >sent to every site in the world. If I had done something like this, >perhaps the charges I am facing would be different. All I can say is >that I can account for anything I ever sold to anyone. [article by John Haugh deleted] So why don't you start accounting, Len? I don't know about the rest of this group but of late I've begun to think that maybe the government might just have a good case against you. And I'm pretty sure that John Haugh is a straight shooter. You know, when your case first was made public, I felt a combination of outrage and pity. Outrage at the government and pity for you. As you've reappeared on this net and continued to post, my feelings have evolved first to a mix of outrage toward the government and "What a niave idiot" toward you. If I were a government prosecutor, I'd be leaping with glee at your postings here. And then you come on the net and ask for source that appears to me to be a request for proprietary materials. Now I'm not so sure I'm outraged so much at the government and I'm beginning to think that maybe you are getting what you deserve. I'm beginning to think that you're one of those fellows who makes it possible for the government to make horrible case law that then screws us all. And if you keep running your mouth here, the government can just let you present its case for them. I have a very good hunch that if your case was only what you represent it to be, the EFF would be there helping and the government would be backing out after its previous embarrisment. Unless they've done something they've not announced, I've not seen it. So you might do yourself some good by answering John's charges. After you clear it with your lawyer (you have learned that lession, I hope.). I really hope you are telling it straight, not because I particularly care what happens to you but because I'm scared shitless of what our government is going to be able to do with this case. You've tickled the tail of the dragon and it bit back. The problem is, the bite is going to get us all. Thanks a lot. John -- John De Armond, WD4OQC | We can no more blame our loss of freedom on congress Radiation Systems, Inc. | than we can prostitution on pimps. Both simply Atlanta, Ga | provide broker services for their customers. {emory,uunet}!rsiatl!jgd| - Dr. W Williams | **I am the NRA**
gl8f@astsun9.astro.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl) (10/11/90)
In article <4249@rsiatl.UUCP> jgd@rsiatl.UUCP (John G. DeArmond) writes: >So why don't you start accounting, Len? Len is innocent until proven guilty. Haugh accused Len of something that the government hasn't even charged him with. Until he's convicted, it's merely an accusation. >Now I'm not so sure I'm outraged so much at the government and I'm >beginning to think that maybe you are getting what you deserve. It's a damn shame to watch a witch-hunt in action. -- "Restraint, hell. I'm just too fucking busy." -- Bill Wisner
larry@belch.Berkeley.EDU (Larry Foard) (10/11/90)
In article <4249@rsiatl.UUCP> jgd@rsiatl.UUCP (John G. DeArmond) writes: > [stuff deleted] > >Now I'm not so sure I'm outraged so much at the government and I'm >beginning to think that maybe you are getting what you deserve. I'm >beginning to think that you're one of those fellows who makes it possible >for the government to make horrible case law that then screws us all. >And if you keep running your mouth here, the government can just let you >present its case for them. I have a very good hunch that if your case >was only what you represent it to be, the EFF would be there helping and >the government would be backing out after its previous embarrisment. >Unless they've done something they've not announced, I've not seen it. > [more stuff deleted] I haven't seen anything to indicate Len Rose has done anything wrong other forgetting to take the 5th. The burden of proof lies with you and Len Rose's other accusers, I see no reason why you should demand that he prove he is innocent when no shred of evidence has been provided that he has infact sold stolen equipment.
shore@mtxinu.COM (Melinda Shore) (10/12/90)
In article <1990Oct11.041949.12168@agate.berkeley.edu> larry@belch.Berkeley.EDU (Larry Foard) writes: >I haven't seen anything to indicate Len Rose has done anything wrong >other forgetting to take the 5th. The burden of proof lies with you and >Len Rose's other accusers, I see no reason why you should demand that >he prove he is innocent when no shred of evidence has been provided that >he has infact sold stolen equipment. Indeed - those who include comments about freedom in their .signature files ought to make sure that their own actions are in support of it. However, as long as we're in smear mode it's probably worth mentioning that Len Rose has a Jewish name, John G. DeArmond has repeatedly made outrageously racist and anti-Semitic comments on the net, and his opinions are informed by that racism and are therefore completely worthless. -- Melinda Shore shore@mtxinu.com mt Xinu ..!uunet!mtxinu.com!shore