[net.ham-radio] packet help

karn@mouton.UUCP (11/02/84)

Packet repeaters are actually fairly easy to build, as they can be much
simpler than full TNCs. Many of the current TNCs can also function
simultaneously as digipeaters, and in many areas the "local digipeater"
is just the personal TNC of a ham who happens to be in a good location
and makes a point to leave his rig on.

If you want to build a "dedicated" digipeater, you can make do with
less $$. All a digipeater has to do is receive HDLC frames, check
the address, set a bit and retransmit.  The old VADCG boards, which
without the upgrade kit have too little memory to be truly useful
as TNCs, can perform this job easily; the software has been written by
KE3Z and WB4JFI, and is available from AMRAD.

Many other "ad-hoc" digipeaters have been constructed, but the VADCG
board will probably be the easiest route for most people.

Phil

neihart@smu.UUCP (11/05/84)

The easiest way to proceed is to find a local voice repeater which is not
being used very much and convincing the owner to switch it over to a packet
repeater.  In most cities there are enough (if not too many!) voice
repeaters, but rarely any packet repeaters.  A plain old repeater can be
used for a packet repeater, since the intelligence is in the PADs (packet
assemblers/disassemblers) which are located at the terminal/radio
equipment.  The repeater just gives one the standard advantage of a
repeater -- being able to talk farther than on simplex.  The repeater
itself is oblivious to the fact that it is retransmitting data.  In fact, a
repeater could double as a voice and packet repeater during different hours
of the day, although I wouldn't suggest this as good practice.

karn@mouton.UUCP (11/09/84)

Regarding the suggestion to use voice repeaters for packet, I have some
comments.

1. Voice repeaters are usually not designed for fast, bursty transmissions
such as those produced by packet boards. Keyup delays can involve quite
a bit of overhead, particularly if mechanical relays are involved. The
constant "kerchunking" involved in packet can cause quite a bit of wear
and tear on these relay-switched machines (and on their tech-committee
chairmen.)

2. Voice and packet users simply cannot coexist peaceably on the same
repeater. The "racket radio" users drive the human listeners to distraction
(mainly because they can't understand what's being said about them!), and
the long-winded voice users can bring data traffic to a standstill.

3. Because of carrier hang timers on most voice repeaters, the TNCs cannot
use RF carrier detect for CSMA (not that many people do, even on simplex),
but must use modem subcarrier detect. This also has the effect of infuriating
the voice users, since they get stepped on by the packet boxes.

4. A voice repeater is very expensive in comparison to a single
frequency "digipeater", since it requires cavities and isolation to
run in full duplex.

5. The one advantage of using a voice repeater over a single frequency
digipeater is that collisions due to one station's inability to hear all
others on the channel can be avoided. However, working against this is
the fact that a wide-coverage repeater forgoes the possibility of "frequency
reuse", in which two pairs of stations who are far enough apart could
communicate simultaneously on the same frequency without interference,
given enough of a signal-to-interference ratio to get good capture.

There is an opportunity for a research project here that would be of real use
to amateur packet radio. Do an analysis to find, given an actual set
of user stations and antenna QTHs, the optimal power level for each station
to make maximum utilization of a channel, considering the effects of
digipeating, collisions, etc, and to compare the results to the efficiency
of a wide-area duplex analog repeater. One might start by looking at the
work of Kleinrock and others and seeing how it might be applied to a
practical situation.  I remember one paper of his in which he showed that
a packet radio network did not have to be "disconnected" (i.e., have
pairs of stations that could not directly communicate) to a very great
degree before the channel throughput degenerated to the Aloha level.
It would be interesting to see how this bears out in an actual situation.

In any event, my practical advice is to put up a single-channel digipeater
in a good location if you want to provide a utility service to the local
packet radio community.

73, Phil, KA9Q