gnu@hoptoad.uucp (John Gilmore) (05/07/91)
Denise Caruso wrote a great piece for her "Inside Technology" column of the
Sunday, 5 May 1991, SF Examiner, on page E-14. It concerns the attempts
to outlaw encryption and why that is a bad idea. She claims that there
is a second bill that has had anti-encryption stuff quietly slipped into it
last week by the FBI: S.618, "The Violent Crime Control Act of 1991".
I'll quote her closing paragraph to encourage you to get and read it all:
"I want crime to stop. I want terrorism to stop. But do we
want to secure the networks or not? I have *never* seen
evidence that power in the hands of government authority
didn't corrupt. I have never heard of a compromise-able
network that didn't get compromised. With increasing reliance
on computer-based networks, back doors for law enforcement (or
whoever else figures it out) make me afraid. I don't think
they're a good idea."
--
John Gilmore {sun,uunet,pyramid}!hoptoad!gnu gnu@toad.com gnu@cygnus.com
* Truth : the most deadly weapon ever discovered by humanity. Capable of *
* destroying entire perceptual sets, cultures, and realities. Outlawed by *
* all governments everywhere. Possession is normally punishable by death. *
-- Richard Childersrockwell@socrates.umd.edu (Raul Rockwell) (05/07/91)
John Gilmore: Denise Caruso wrote a great piece for her "Inside Technology" column of the Sunday, 5 May 1991, SF Examiner, on page E-14. It concerns the attempts to outlaw encryption and why that is a bad idea. She claims that there is a second bill that has had anti-encryption stuff quietly slipped into it last week by the FBI: S.618, "The Violent Crime Control Act of 1991". Maybe this is the begining of an attempt to legislate cyberpunks into existence? We've already got a number of laws and legal precidents on the books which basically legalize "criminals" (both in the government and out). And you thought this wasn't a free country. :-) :-/ :-) Raul Rockwell
cyberoid@milton.u.washington.edu (Robert Jacobson) (05/07/91)
So what is anyone going to do about S.618? Send email? To whom? Bob Jacobson --
woodsd@infonode.ingr.com (Scott D. Wood) (05/07/91)
cyberoid@milton.u.washington.edu (Robert Jacobson) writes: >So what is anyone going to do about S.618? Send email? To whom? >Bob Jacobson >-- Yes...good question, hmmm - if you belong to Compu$erve you could send a CongressGram(TM). You write it on-line and send it as email and it pops out of a printer and gets *really* mailed (at a slight value-added cost, I'm sure). Seriously though, letters would help -- and an email address would be great. Anyone got an address for the Hill? Do they use computers up there? Are politico's *that* with-it? -Scott Wood
zane@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Sameer Parekh) (05/08/91)
In article <1991May7.141648.7055@infonode.ingr.com> woodsd@infonode.ingr.com (Scott D. Wood) writes: >cyberoid@milton.u.washington.edu (Robert Jacobson) writes: >>So what is anyone going to do about S.618? Send email? To whom? >>Bob Jacobson >>-- > >Yes...good question, hmmm - if you belong to Compu$erve you could send a >CongressGram(TM). You write it on-line and send it as email and it pops out >of a printer and gets *really* mailed (at a slight value-added cost, I'm sure). >Seriously though, letters would help -- and an email address would be great. > >Anyone got an address for the Hill? Do they use computers up there? Are >politico's *that* with-it? > >-Scott Wood Did you actually think they were intelligent? On the freenet they say you should write them and maybe they will do it. (Cleveland freenet) Not so. . .I have written Paul Simon a few times and he just replies with a form letter. -- The Ravings of the Insane Maniac Sameer Parekh -- zane@ddsw1.MCS.COM
otto@fsu1.cc.fsu.edu (John Otto) (05/08/91)
In article <1991May7.141648.7055@infonode.ingr.com>, woodsd@infonode.ingr.com (Scott D. Wood) writes... >cyberoid@milton.u.washington.edu (Robert Jacobson) writes: >>So what is anyone going to do about S.618? Send email? To whom? >>Bob Jacobson >>-- > >Yes...good question, hmmm - if you belong to Compu$erve you could send a >CongressGram(TM). You write it on-line and send it as email and it pops out >of a printer and gets *really* mailed (at a slight value-added cost, I'm sure). >Seriously though, letters would help -- and an email address would be great. > >Anyone got an address for the Hill? Do they use computers up there? Are >politico's *that* with-it? > >-Scott Wood It just so happens that an address (domain, at least) crossed my screen today. House Information Systems (HOUSE-DOM) House Annex II 2nd and D Streets SW Washington, DC 20515 Domain Name: HOUSE.GOV John G. Otto jgo@fsu.bitnet jgo@rai.cc.fsu.edu
kmc@netcom.COM (Kevin McCarty) (05/08/91)
woodsd@infonode.ingr.com (Scott D. Wood) writes: >cyberoid@milton.u.washington.edu (Robert Jacobson) writes: >>So what is anyone going to do about S.618? Send email? To whom? >>Bob Jacobson >>-- >Yes...good question, hmmm - if you belong to Compu$erve you could send a >CongressGram(TM). You write it on-line and send it as email and it pops out >of a printer and gets *really* mailed (at a slight value-added cost, I'm sure). >Seriously though, letters would help -- and an email address would be great. >Anyone got an address for the Hill? Do they use computers up there? Are >politico's *that* with-it? >-Scott Wood Oh my, can you picture how pathetic it looks for us to have forgotten how to send a postcard? Our senators (S.618 means it's a Senate bill) do their business at Senate Office Building Washington DC, 20510 -- Kevin McCarty kmc@netcom.COM netcom!kmc@apple.com {apple,amdahl,claris}!netcom!kmc
brendan@cs.widener.edu (Brendan Kehoe) (05/08/91)
In <1991May7.221009.2545@mailer.cc.fsu.edu>, otto@fsu1.cc.fsu.edu writes: > It just so happens that an address (domain, at least) crossed my screen >today. House Information Systems (HOUSE-DOM) > House Annex II > 2nd and D Streets SW > Washington, DC 20515 Domain Name: HOUSE.GOV Perhaps this is related to visit scheduling, etc? It appparently goes thru uunet for its email, btw. Followups to comp.org.eff.talk. This is a really nasty case of cross-posting. -- Brendan Kehoe - Widener Sun Network Manager - brendan@cs.widener.edu Widener University in Chester, PA A Bloody Sun-Dec War Zone "Does this person look relaxed to you? Well, it's actually an experiment of Contour's new 565-E chair!"
alain@elevia.UUCP (W.A.Simon) (05/09/91)
In <17597@hoptoad.uucp> gnu@hoptoad.uucp (John Gilmore) writes: >Denise Caruso wrote a great piece for her "Inside Technology" column of the >Sunday, 5 May 1991, SF Examiner, on page E-14. It concerns the attempts >to outlaw encryption and why that is a bad idea. She claims that there >is a second bill that has had anti-encryption stuff quietly slipped into it >last week by the FBI: S.618, "The Violent Crime Control Act of 1991". >I'll quote her closing paragraph to encourage you to get and read it all: > "I want crime to stop. I want terrorism to stop. But do we > want to secure the networks or not? I have *never* seen > evidence that power in the hands of government authority > didn't corrupt. I have never heard of a compromise-able > network that didn't get compromised. With increasing reliance > on computer-based networks, back doors for law enforcement (or > whoever else figures it out) make me afraid. I don't think > they're a good idea." Considering that with a few rare exceptions, terrorists have been financed, trained, sheltered, and given logistical support, by one government or another, I shudder at the idea of giving any political power the keys to my backdoor. NOT MY BACKDOOR, or NMB is the operative response. ps - See: The Economist - May 4-10 1991 - Computers and Privacy - page 21 for a superb analysis of this and many other related issues. >John Gilmore -- William "Alain" Simon UUCP: alain@elevia.UUCP
cyberoid@milton.u.washington.edu (Robert Jacobson) (05/09/91)
Two things: When time is of the essence, a card hardly suffices (and it gets lost in the piles, believe me). Also, if you are lucky enough to hook up with someone who IS using email and a computer, you can be sure your message will be taken more seriously (presuming it is computer policy related). So, is there a SENATE.GOV domain? And how does one use it? Bob --
hes@ccvr1.ncsu.edu (Henry E. Schaffer) (05/09/91)
In article <1991May9.065816.2286@milton.u.washington.edu> cyberoid@milton.u.washington.edu (Robert Jacobson) writes: > ... >So, is there a SENATE.GOV domain? And how does one use it? My router says that house.gov is reached via uunet, and that senate.gov doesn't exist. --henry schaffer n c state univ
otto@fsu1.cc.fsu.edu (John Otto) (05/10/91)
In article <1991May9.140913.616@ncsu.edu>, hes@ccvr1.ncsu.edu (Henry E. Schaffer) writes... >In article <1991May9.065816.2286@milton.u.washington.edu> cyberoid@milton.u.washington.edu (Robert Jacobson) writes: >> ... >>So, is there a SENATE.GOV domain? And how does one use it? > > My router says that house.gov is reached via uunet, and that >senate.gov doesn't exist. > >--henry schaffer n c state univ Could you post the info from your router? I'm just curious, learning how various look-up mechanisms work...jgo