[comp.sys.atari.st.tech] Memory upgrade problems brand new ST/STE

mcranton@npe.isnet.inmos.co.uk (01/17/91)

In article <1991Jan9.184528.10447@uvm.edu>, pegram@kira.UUCP (Robert B. Pegram) writes:
> From article <CMM.0.88.663383801.jkr@skakke.ifi.uio.no>, 
> by jkr@ifi.uio.no (Kristian Rosenvold):
> 
>> Ok, here's a couple of unusual RAM upgrade problems...
>  
>> The first one's a brand new STE,- this is the absolutely latest
> 
>> The machines work fine with 2 SIMM modules inserted. Insert 4
>> modules (of any type) and there are several different reactions.
> 
> For testing at least, use four of the *same type* - do not mix 256K
> simms with 1Meg simms, the STe will get very confused otherwise.
> 
>> Upon booting the STE language disk the "POOL FIX INSTALLED" appears
>> onscreen. Then after 0.5 second EVERY SECOND character fades out. A similar
>> effect may sometimes be observed on the Desktop. About 50% of all software
>> works while the extra 2 modules are inserted. It may seem to me
>> like the CPU recognizes the RAM but that the VIDEO CHIP has
>> problems with it. This is only a guess, I haven't been in there
>> with a machine code monitor to check. I've tried shielding the modules
>> from the switchmode power supply, but it doesn't seem to help. I've
>> compared the Motherboard with a previous release STE that handles the SIMMs
> 
> I can't really help on this one, the missing resistors may well be the
> problem.  On regular STs memory problems can run from missing
> resistors and capacitors to a bad MMU.  Certainly the strange screen
> problems are due to bad high ram.  Speculating wildly, it might even
> be only 1 bank of the high memory ram.
> 
>> properly, and I have found no (obvious) differences. Resistors R405 & R459
>> (Behind SIMM sockets) are missing on both versions of the board.
>> Anyone have any suggestions ?
>> 
>> The second one's more conventional:
>> A 520STFM, again the latest model. Just to be on the safe side I
>> soldered in SOCKETS instead of soldering the RAM straight in.
>> I have not installed the condensators, JUST the sockets. 
> 
> And so's the answer 8-).  PUT IN THOSE CAPS!  They are what kill the
> switching noise from the RAM.  You should also check for a bad MMU,
> and for all the necessary resistors and caps for the second bank,
> Atari doesn't always put them in.
> 
> To add to the above I have also had a couple of machines with etching
> faults on the pcb. After all you can't test whats not there ??
>
>> The problem is that the machine doesn't work. I get various amounts
>> of bombs,- the interesting part is that in the black part of the
>> bombs I get random 'sprinkles' of colored pixels that come & go.
>> (Kinda like multi-colored "snow" from the old IBMs)
>> (They seem to be generated by the video circuitry because the do
>> not remain on screen)
>> Due to the width of my sockets I had to solder 4 of
>> the RAM chips directy onto the motherboard (this has always worked fine
>> earlier..) The symptoms are much the same regardless of whether the 12
>>  remaining chips are
>> installed or not. I have a feeling this problem is noise-related,
>> although that may only be a part of the problem. I do not think
>> this lies in the custom chip sockets, although there's always a
>> possibility...
> 
>> K. Rosenvold,   jkr@ifi.uio.no / ...!{uunet,mcvax,sunic}!ifi.uio.no!jkr
>> Short signatures R cute.
> 
> Bob Pegram
> 
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