[comp.sys.atari.st.tech] MFM hard drive help

stu892103@gcc.uucp (ATARI CORP.) (03/06/91)

     Fellow Atarians, I have a hard drive question.  I know that it is possible 
to use SCSI and RLL drives on the atari with the proper controller/adapter, but 
I would like to know if it is possible to use MFM drives.  I don't know much 
about hard drives at all.  I haven't seen any postings about this, so I don't 
care if replies are mailed to me or posted.  If I get any mail response, I'll
post a summary.  Thanks to any who reply.

				Steve Greer

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luoto@cs.Helsinki.FI (Markku Luoto) (03/08/91)

By the way...

Does anybody know what kind of a drive they're using in SUPRA DRIVES
I got one (bought 1988) with 30 megabytes formatted or so...
Think it wascalled supradrive 30 ...

I opened it once and the drive was a seagate... but how can you tell wether
it's a mfm or something else ???


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GERLOFF@tubvm.cs.tu-berlin.de (Olaf Gerloff) (03/13/91)

In article <12052@hydra.Helsinki.FI>, luoto@cs.Helsinki.FI (Markku Luoto) says:
>
>I opened it once and the drive was a seagate... but how can you tell wether
>it's a mfm or something else ???
>

Hello Markku!

If the drive was a Seagate it is very easy: Look at the drive type on the cover
If the last character was a digit, it was a MFM drive (e.g. ST 225, 20 MB
5 1/4 inch MFM drive). If the last character was a R, it was an RLL drive
(e.g. ST 238R, 5 1/4 inch 30 MB RLL drive).
I hope this will help you.

Greetings, Olaf
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vsnyder@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Van Snyder) (03/14/91)

In article <91072.145300GERLOFF@DB0TUI11.BITNET> GERLOFF@tubvm.cs.tu-berlin.de (Olaf Gerloff) writes:
>In article <12052@hydra.Helsinki.FI>, luoto@cs.Helsinki.FI (Markku Luoto) says:
>>
>>I opened it once and the drive was a seagate... but how can you tell wether
>>it's a mfm or something else ???
>>
>
>Hello Markku!
>
>If the drive was a Seagate it is very easy: Look at the drive type on the cover
>If the last character was a digit, it was a MFM drive (e.g. ST 225, 20 MB
>5 1/4 inch MFM drive). If the last character was a R, it was an RLL drive
>(e.g. ST 238R, 5 1/4 inch 30 MB RLL drive).

From the Seagate Catalog, page 27:
none = ST412 MFM
A = AT bus
X = XT bus
N = SCSI or SCSI-2 (SCSI-2 is downward compatible with SCSI).
ND = Differential SCSI or SCSI-2
NM = Macintosh compatible SCSI
V = NetWare ready
R = ST412 RLL
E = ESDI
J = SMD-O/E or SMD-E (dual port)
K = IPI-2 (dual port or enhanced dual port)
S = synchronized spindle

Probably more junk than ST owners need to know.  But now if you see one in
a surplus store, you'll know what you're up against:  for example, there's
essentially no hope of connecting an SMD drive to an ST.  ND won't work without
some different kinds of bidirectional buffers -- the "plain" SCSI is "single
ended";  differential SCSI lets you have 10 meters of cable, single ended SCSI
lets you have 3 meters (according to the standard, but on my Mac IIci, it
craps out with about 2 or 2.5 meters total cable).  NM might also be trouble
on a typical Supra/ICD/Berkeley ST interface.


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