[net.ham-radio] Ham Programs & BBoards

DSDC-SDT2@GUNTER-ADAM.ARPA (Walt Livingston) (02/20/85)

Here in the deep south, also known as "red neck country" we don't have
packet radio repeaters, on-the-air BBoards, etc.  In fact, we are
just getting into computerized RTTY.(No jokes please, it's a bad situation).

I am trying to get some interest up here in Montgomery Alabama, in using
our computers (almost every ham has one now) for hobby; research; public
service; etc., and need some info from the rest of the ham community.

How does a club get into packet switching, what cost, what equipment is
needed, what programs available, etc.  The whole gammet (sp).

That part out of the way, how about some programs for such computers as the
C64, VIC 20, IBM-PC, CoCo, Timex, etc.  Is there a repository somewhere
within info-hams that has such programs (logging, duping, beam headings,
circuit board design, etc).  If I could get hold of such programs and info
I can get some interest generated.  Altho' Montgomery is "a hick city (?)"
we do have some of the finest computer talent around.  We have the
Data Systems Design Office (USAF) where I work, with 11 large mainframes,
16 Mini's, and over 3000 micro's available.  We also have the Air Force
Air War College where all the prof's get formal military training.  We have
a very active Red Cross (ham wise) as well as Civil Defense (state, and county),
and I can see the need for computerized traffic. Many hams are NTS inclined,
as well as local net liaisons, and mostly, we have our share of disasters.

Any info, programs, hints, nasty remarks (not really)  will be much appreciated.

Mucho thnks in advance.

73's  Walt  WA4YCM (Central Alabama Dstrict Emergency Coordinator)
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clements@bbncd1.arpa (Bob Clements) (02/20/85)

Walt,

I can't help much with your question about logging, beam heading or
board design programs.  But I can chew your ear off about packet
radio at any length you want.

The basic setup of packet radio as it has evolved so far is that each
ham has a terminal or a little computer with a terminal emulator
program, and he has a TNC (Terminal Node Controller) and a radio,
usually 2 meters but also HF and other VHF bands.

The TNC is a single board computer with a modem, transmitter control,
serial ports, protocol and so on all ready to go.  The hookup is
literally a terminal on one side (DB25 connector) and three signals
to the radio on the other side, namely transmit audio, receive audio
and push-to-talk. TNC's are available from TAPR, GLB, AEA, and some
others, and according to the Gateway that just came out, they will be
available from Heathkit.

Most packet radio operation is simplex (145.01 MHz on most of the
East Coast).  To get farther than your own neighborhood, you
relay through other stations, also on the same simplex channels.
Your TNC allows others to relay through you. This is called
"Digipeating". Typically, a club will put up a digipeater at a
good site and everybody can digipeat through it or go directly to
those in their neighborhood.

The thing that comes as a surprise to most 2-meter operators is that
a dozen or so QSO's can be going on at once, all on the same simplex
frequency, without interference. This is because each station sends
only an occasional short burst of data when the operator finishes
typing a line. Most of the channel time is idle. If two stations
happen to transmit at once, so that a transmission is lost in
the QRM, the protocols in the TNC take care of re-sending the packet
until it gets through.

To keep interest up in the area, it is good to establish a Mailbox
or Bulletin board system.  Most of these (about 25 and climbing) are
based on the Xerox 820 boards that were available a while ago. They
use software developed by Hank, W0RLI. Many of these are linked
together by HF on 20, 30 and 40 meters.  I have posted the W0RLI
software on SIMTEL20. (It's about time to send an update, now that
I think of it. The new features of automatic mail forwarding among
BBS's aren't in the current one on SIMTEL20.) Hank's software
has been mentioned in Gateway and 73 magazine.

I'll cut this message short here. Let me know if I can expand on
any of this for you. I guess I'll CC: this to info-hams, too.
Anybody on the list who wants to chat about Packet Radio and
packet BBS's, please do!

73,
Bob Clements
(K1BC)

andy@aids-unix.ARPA (Andy Cromarty) (02/21/85)

Walt,

The Red Cross in Palo Alto has committed pretty heavily to the packet
radio system produced by the Tuscon Amateur Packet Radio (TAPR)
group.  TAPR has a board (a "Terminal Node Controller," or "TNC")
that comes as a kit for something like $300.  Heath has just
announced their own kit version of the TAPR design for the same
amount, I believe -- see this month's 73 magazine. The TAPR TNC's are
professional-quality design, good-looking, and work like a champ.
One end plugs into your radio (usually your HT), the other end plugs
into your computer terminal (or your home computer running a terminal
emulator program), and you're on the air.  Done.  Sit down and type;
QSO in progress.  Since you say your guys have home computers
already, all they need is the TAPR or Heath "Terminal Node
Controller" and the program that lets their PC act as a terminal to
another computer.

There are other vendors of packet systems, perhaps most notably AEA
(who makes an assembled version of the TAPR board for five or six
hundred dollars) and GLB (which makes a low-end system with much or
most of the TAPR TNC's capability for fewer dollars.)

We have put together a complete package for our own (Red Cross)
use in a single aluminized attache case that includes a small
Texas Instruments terminal with thermal printer, a TAPR board,
and a 2-meter HT; you can carry it in one hand.  (It does require
120 volt AC; we're working on a 12-volt version.)  It's pretty
straightforward to assemble this sort of package, if you decide
you need it for Red Cross disaster services operations.   We
have also used it for Simulated Emergency Test, the county-wide
Medical Exercise, and other drills, and we've learned a lot about
how packet can be used for emergency applications (including the
problems it doesn't solve).  Overall, it's a very impressive thing
for a fire marshall or police chief to be able to *see* printed
radiograms being sent back and forth between emergency stations --
it usually beats anything they have at their disposal for disaster
communications hands down.

The next step is to put up repeaters in your area, once local hams
can converse via packet.  This is a least as easy as putting up a
regular two-meter repeater.  As a matter of fact, every TAPR board
*is* a repeater (a "digipeater") without you doing anything special
to it, at the same time that it's your personal TNC, so you can get
along for a while without installing special high-level repeaters in
your area if everyone is within 2-meter FM simplex distance of
the next guy.  Most of us who work for the Red Cross leave our
stations on the air 24 hours a day as digipeaters; if I want a QSO
when I get home from work at night, I just sit down at my terminal
and type -- everything's all warmed up and on the air.  In many cases
you can extend you range by going through existing duplex 2m FM
repeaters; some of us do this now in the San Francisco area.
It's not optimal, but it often works.

The problem of how to link into the existing National Traffic System
is being worked on.  Suffice it to say that we aren't there yet.
The currently implemented approaches are, unfortunately, "think
small" approaches, and we still lack a good model of what such a
system should look like on a national scale and what its high-level
protocols should be.  There are some systems in place now that
provide a limited capability for NTS traffic passing via packet,
mostly in the Northeast; they suffer from the disadvantage of being
utterly ad hoc but offer the advantage of giving people exposure to
the idea of traffic-via-packet now.   (Admittedly an opinion, but I
design and build distributed artificial intelligence systems for a
living, so I allow myself the luxury of holding such an opinion.)
Some of us here on the west coast (emergency comm people, traffic
handlers, and packeteers) are working on a general solution to this
problem that can be implemented on a national scale.   (Anyone who's
interested is more than welcome to participate in the design process,
by the way; there are a lot of hard problems to solve before we're
all linked together -- it's not just a matter of more repeaters and
more mailboxes -- and we need all the good networking ideas we can get.)

Good luck & 73,
				Andy N6JLJ
				AEC, Palo Alto Red Cross