wt01@gte.com (Wasim Tauqir) (07/03/90)
Any reliable news about the tragic deaths of pilgrims in Saudi Arabia while performing HAJJ in the tunnel ? Would there be someone who can help in locating or direct me in locating my relatives who are performing HAJJ ths year ? Thanks! Wasim Tauqir GTE Labs (617)466-2175 OFF. wt01@gte.com e_mail address.
beekun@ncar.UCAR.EDU (R. I. Beekun) (07/04/90)
In article <13833@wpi.wpi.edu> wt01@gte.com (Wasim Tauqir) writes: >Any reliable news about the tragic deaths of pilgrims in Saudi Arabia >while performing HAJJ in the tunnel ? The venerable kingdom seems to have been caught totally unprepared. They are using a favorite old technique: the news blackout. I sympathize with you, and pray to Allah that your parents are alive and in good health. Abu Syed Marwan ............................................................................ :... We decreed for the children of : : :Israel that whosoever kills a human : : :being for other than manslaughter or : / | "" | : :corruption in the earth, it shall be : / | | | | : :as though he had killed all mankind, : | | __| | | | : :and whoso saves the life of one, it : ____|___| | <__|__|__| | : :shall be as though he had saved the : | * : :life of all mankind. (Qur'an 5: 32) : _ / : :.....................................:....................................:
bro@eunomia.rice.edu (Douglas Monk) (07/05/90)
In article <13833@wpi.wpi.edu> wt01@gte.com (Wasim Tauqir) writes: >Any reliable news about the tragic deaths of pilgrims in Saudi Arabia >while performing HAJJ in the tunnel ? CNN was reporting this morning that foreign diplomats on the scene report that problems with ventilation equipment in a "pedestrian tunnel" led to people gasping for air in the 122 degree (F) heat. In the ensuing stampede to get out, approximately 1400 people died from suffocation and crushing. The victims were reported to be mostly Malaysians and Indonesians. I am not clear on where this "pedestrian tunnel" is. Is it the chamber enclosing Safa and Marwa, the hills between which pilgrims must run as part of the Hajj (Pilgrimage) rituals? That would account for The reports remind me of the soccer stadium tragedy in Britain in which a number of people died trying to get in through a gate in a fence. How many died there? Doug Monk bro@rice.edu Disclaimer: These views are mine, not necessarily my organization's.
alaa@darwish::westford.ccur.com (Alaa Zeineldine) (07/05/90)
In article <13833@wpi.wpi.edu> wt01@gte.com (Wasim Tauqir) writes: > > >Any reliable news about the tragic deaths of pilgrims in Saudi Arabia >while performing HAJJ in the tunnel ? I tried the Saudi Embassy in Washington but they have no information, and they seem to be closed for Eid El-Adha, maybe if they get a large number of calls they would set up an information desk or something. if anyone knows about other sources please post them, as there must more people like ... and I who are trying to get news of relatives. Thanks, Alaa Zeineldine alaa@tinton.ccur.com work: (201) 758 7344 home: (201) 308 9180
beekun@ncar.UCAR.EDU (R. I. Beekun) (07/05/90)
According to the Wall Stree Journal (July 3, 1990), A diplomat reported that "most of the victims were Malaysians and Indonesians." May Allah give them Paradise! Abu Syed Marwan ............................................................................ :... We decreed for the children of : : :Israel that whosoever kills a human : : :being for other than manslaughter or : / | "" | : :corruption in the earth, it shall be : / | | | | : :as though he had killed all mankind, : | | __| | | | : :and whoso saves the life of one, it : ____|___| | <__|__|__| | : :shall be as though he had saved the : | * : :life of all mankind. (Qur'an 5: 32) : _ / : :.....................................:....................................:
aj3u@uvacs.cs.virginia.edu (Asim Jalis) (07/05/90)
In article <13837@wpi.wpi.edu> uunet!unrvax!unssun.nevada.edu!beekun@ncar.UCAR.EDU (R. I. Beekun) writes: > >The venerable kingdom seems to have been caught totally unprepared. They >are using a favorite old technique: the news blackout. > I don't understand how the Saudis could be held responsible for any part of the tragedy. The construction of the tunnel was a genuinely good idea and if the people at the gate had shown more civilized patience, the unfortunate incident would not have occurred. So why would the Saudis impose the "news blackout" when they have nothing to hide? Are you suggesting that the "kingdom" provoked the stampede? You tone certainly suggests this. If sound reasoning leads to this conclusion, I would be interested in hearing more of it. Asim.
beekun@ncar.UCAR.EDU (R. I. Beekun) (07/06/90)
In article <13867@wpi.wpi.edu> aj3u@uvacs.cs.virginia.edu (Asim Jalis) writes: > > >In article <13837@wpi.wpi.edu> uunet!unrvax!unssun.nevada.edu!beekun@ncar.UCAR.EDU (R. I. Beekun) writes: >> >>The venerable kingdom seems to have been caught totally unprepared. They >>are using a favorite old technique: the news blackout. I agree that the construction of the tunnel was a good idea. Whether it was implemented correctly is another question given the level of graft that exists in the Kingdom. >So why would the Saudis impose the "news blackout" when they have >nothing to hide? According to all the news reports that I read, they would not allow any member of the news media in the vicinity. I assume that Muslim members of the media were also excluded. This action would not be wise in light of the fact that the relatives of at least 2 million hajjis were being wracked by anxiety while the news blackout lasted. >Are you suggesting that the "kingdom" provoked the stampede? I never suggested that the Kingdom provoked the stampede. Once it happened, they should have kept the lines of communication open to the outside world to inform the relatives of those who were performing the Hajj. That would be the Islamic thing to do. >Asim. This is my last posting on this subject since I do not wish to be involved in a controversy where none exists. Abu Syed Marwan ............................................................................ :... We decreed for the children of : : :Israel that whosoever kills a human : : :being for other than manslaughter or : / | "" | : :corruption in the earth, it shall be : / | | | | : :as though he had killed all mankind, : | | __| | | | : :and whoso saves the life of one, it : ____|___| | <__|__|__| | : :shall be as though he had saved the : | * : :life of all mankind. (Qur'an 5: 32) : _ / : :.....................................:....................................: