dnater@verity.com (Dan Nater) (06/26/91)
1) Please define 8514(/A) Could one say that 8514 supports 1024x768x256? (in os/2)
2) Please define XGA
3) My goal is to have a 16inch or larger monitor running 1024x768x(>=16)
I run OS/2 1.3EE and windows 3.0 What should I get. I'd like to get
"The best" setup.........
Thanks
Dan Nater
dnater@verity.com
415 960 7635larrys@watson.ibm.com (06/26/91)
In <1991Jun25.231120.14697@verity.com>, dnater@verity.com (Dan Nater) writes: > >1) Please define 8514(/A) Could one say that 8514 supports 1024x768x256? (in > os/2) 8514 and 8514/A - the former is the monitor, while the latter is the adapter card to drive it. OS/2 does support 1024x768x256 for the 8514/A IF it is fully populated with additional video memory. >2) Please define XGA XGA is the next step up from 8514/A. I don't have any specs on it, even though I use it. >3) My goal is to have a 16inch or larger monitor running 1024x768x(>=16) > I run OS/2 1.3EE and windows 3.0 What should I get. I'd like to get > "The best" setup......... The "best setup" meaning the "best capabilities" or the "best for my money"? My manager is running OS/2 1.3 on his model 80 with an IBM Image Adapter and the megapel RS/6000 display. That is nice. Or you could get the new RasterOps 1024x1024x24bit/pel display that is displayed at the PC Expo. That is nicer (you get "TrueColor"). Cheers, Larry Salomon, Jr. (aka 'Q') LARRYS@YKTVMV.BITNET OS/2 Applications and Tools larrys@ibmman.watson.ibm.com IBM T.J. Watson Research Center larrys@eng.clemson.edu Yorktown Heights, NY Disclaimer: The statements and/or opinions stated above are strictly my own and do not reflect the views of my employer. Additionally, I have a reputation for being obnoxious, so don't take any personal attacks too seriously.
ccmk@lure.latrobe.edu.au (06/26/91)
In article <1991Jun25.231120.14697@verity.com>, dnater@verity.com (Dan Nater) writes: > 1) Please define 8514(/A) Could one say that 8514 supports 1024x768x256? > (in os/2) The 8514/A adapter card with the standard 512KB memory supports 1024x768x16 colours. With 1MB memory it supports 256 colours. It works as an adjunct to the VGA already on a PS/2. OS/2 1.x supports 16 colours only, so you will not see more than 16 colours via PM in OS/2. OS/2 2.0 has a colour model similar to Windows 3.0, so will support more colours (256 up to 24 bit colour, but this depends on appropriate hardware). > 2) Please define XGA XGA is a microchannel-only adapter (and 386 only) that has VGA on-board plus 640x480x65,536, 1024x768x16 and 1024x768x256 (with full memory). > 3) My goal is to have a 16inch or larger monitor running 1024x768x(>=16) > I run OS/2 1.3EE and windows 3.0 What should I get. I'd like to get > "The best" setup......... If you want 256 colours you can't get it from OS/2 PM at present. OS/2 version 2.0 will have this. A graphics program that bypasses OS/2 graphics calls (naughty) can, of course, give you 256 colours, but then would be specific to the adpater card. Dr Mark Kosten, phone: +61 3 479-1500 Computer Centre, AARNet (internet): ccmk@lure.latrobe.edu.au La Trobe University, Bundoora, 3083 Australia
ballard@ucs.ubc.ca (Alan Ballard) (06/26/91)
In article <1991Jun26.120451.21685@watson.ibm.com> larrys@ibmman writes: >XGA is the next step up from 8514/A. I don't have any specs on it, even >though I use it. It's the same resolution (1024x768x256) as 8514/A. The "step up" is in performance (at least w.r.t the IBM adapters -- not sure how it compares to third party 8514a). The design appears to be optimized for GUI's, rather than just for traditional vector graphics -- it has hardware support for things like the mouse cursor. -- Alan Ballard | Internet: ballard@ucs.ubc.ca University Computing Services | Bitnet: USERAB1@UBCMTSG University of British Columbia | Phone: 604-822-3074 Vancouver B.C. Canada V6T 1Z2 | Fax: 604-822-5116
"Ken Borgendale" <kwb@betasvm2.vnet.ibm.com> (06/26/91)
OS/2 1.x as shipped does support 256 colors on an 8514/A or XGA. Any vendor putting out custom cards can also support 256 color mode. I am running OS/2 1.3 in 256 colors on a 8514/A. The XGA is a redesign of the 8514/A to better perform better at those tasks for which it is actually used. Improvements were put in for raster ops used by Windows and OS/2, and for pointer (sprite) support. Many of the new 8514/A clones also included some of these improvements, which is normal since they had several years of product experience to work with. OS/2 1.3 fully support XGA. The current beta 2.0 is missing XGA support and 256 color support for the 8514/A. But these drivers are coming soon. Ken Borgendale (Someday I will say something worth disclaiming)
rommel@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Kai-Uwe Rommel) (06/27/91)
In article <1991Jun26.225434.1@lure.latrobe.edu.au> ccmk@lure.latrobe.edu.au writes: >In article <1991Jun25.231120.14697@verity.com>, dnater@verity.com (Dan Nater) writes: >> 1) Please define 8514(/A) Could one say that 8514 supports 1024x768x256? >> (in os/2) > >The 8514/A adapter card with the standard 512KB memory supports 1024x768x16 >colours. With 1MB memory it supports 256 colours. It works as an >adjunct to the VGA already on a PS/2. OS/2 1.x supports 16 colours only, >so you will not see more than 16 colours via PM in OS/2. OS/2 2.0 >has a colour model similar to Windows 3.0, so will support more colours >(256 up to 24 bit colour, but this depends on appropriate hardware). I think this is not true. OS/2 will *only* run in 1024x768x256, i.e. 1MB mode of the 8514/A (I have one from WD). The docs say clearly that it does not run with only 512k. It is true that OS/2 1.x does not really supports 256 color software with a palette manager as Windows 3.0 does. But it displays 256 colors on the screen when I use DESKPIC to display a 256 color GIF file on the desktop, although the colors get matched a bit to the available system-defined 256 colors. >> 2) Please define XGA > .... > >If you want 256 colours you can't get it from OS/2 PM at present. OS/2 >version 2.0 will have this. A graphics program that bypasses OS/2 See above ... Kai Uwe Rommel /* Kai Uwe Rommel, Munich ----- rommel@lan.informatik.tu-muenchen.dbp.de */ DOS ... is still a real mode only non-reentrant interrupt handler, and always will be. -Russell Williams
larrys@watson.ibm.com (06/27/91)
In <1991Jun26.225434.1@lure.latrobe.edu.au>, ccmk@lure.latrobe.edu.au writes: > >The 8514/A adapter card with the standard 512KB memory supports 1024x768x16 >colours. With 1MB memory it supports 256 colours. It works as an >adjunct to the VGA already on a PS/2. OS/2 1.x supports 16 colours only, >so you will not see more than 16 colours via PM in OS/2. OS/2 2.0 I disagree, because I have an 8514/A and monitor running OS/2 1.3 that has 256 colors. It was this way with 1.2 also. <stuff deleted> >If you want 256 colours you can't get it from OS/2 PM at present. OS/2 >version 2.0 will have this. A graphics program that bypasses OS/2 graphics >calls (naughty) can, of course, give you 256 colours, but then would >be specific to the adpater card. Again, incorrect. I have 256 colors NOW on my model 80 running OS/2 1.3 EE with 8514/A and monitor. Cheers, Larry Salomon, Jr. (aka 'Q') LARRYS@YKTVMV.BITNET OS/2 Applications and Tools larrys@ibmman.watson.ibm.com IBM T.J. Watson Research Center larrys@eng.clemson.edu Yorktown Heights, NY Disclaimer: The statements and/or opinions stated above are strictly my own and do not reflect the views of my employer. Additionally, I have a reputation for being obnoxious, so don't take any personal attacks too seriously.
timr@gssc.UUCP (Tim Roberts) (06/28/91)
In article <1991Jun26.225434.1@lure.latrobe.edu.au> ccmk@lure.latrobe.edu.au writes: +In article <1991Jun25.231120.14697@verity.com>, dnater@verity.com (Dan Nater) writes: +> 1) Please define 8514(/A) Could one say that 8514 supports 1024x768x256? +> (in os/2) + +The 8514/A adapter card with the standard 512KB memory supports 1024x768x16 +colours. With 1MB memory it supports 256 colours. It works as an +adjunct to the VGA already on a PS/2. OS/2 1.x supports 16 colours only, +so you will not see more than 16 colours via PM in OS/2. + +If you want 256 colours you can't get it from OS/2 PM at present. OS/2 +version 2.0 will have this. A graphics program that bypasses OS/2 graphics +calls (naughty) can, of course, give you 256 colours, but then would +be specific to the adpater card. This is complete crap. OS/2 1.x and PM have no trouble at all supporting 256 colors. Our 34010 drivers can do it, and even the IBM standard 8514/A driver does 256 colors. In fact, the standard PM 8514/A driver won't support 16 colors! Where on earth did you get this idea? -- timr@gssc.gss.com Tim N Roberts, CCP Graphic Software Systems Beaverton, OR This is a very long palindrome. .emordnilap gnol yrev a si sihT