jgarland@kean.ucs.mun.ca (08/15/90)
I recently posted this to c.b.i.p.d and got no response whatsoever...is there any in this newsgroup, or is my question boring and irrelevant? --------------------------------------------------------------------- Recently I have upgraded several commercial packages--several Borland products, AskSam, Colorix VGA Paint. In the past, I've either stored or thrown out old manuals/disks at upgrade time. This time, I'm considering being a little more socially conscious. My question is, what is the propriety of giving these packages to some deserving and/or poor student or high school? While some software I own specifically mentions destroying or returning old versions after ugrading (e.g. Duet v1.16--which I probably wouldn't inflict on anyone anyway), these packages do not. Also, what could I tell the recipients about support? Thanks in advance. John Garland Bitnet: jgarland@mun Internet: jgarland@kean.ucs.mun.ca
ted@helios.ucsc.edu (Ted Cantrall) (09/04/90)
In article <125520@kean.ucs.mun.ca> jgarland@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes: >Recently I have upgraded several commercial packages.... > >My question is, what is the propriety of giving these packages to some >deserving and/or poor student or high school? While some software I John, I asked Borland this very question, and the guy I taked to said " as far as I'm concerned, it's yours to do with as you please" His choice of words may not indicate Borland policy is so liberal, but to be on the safe side you can call/write and ask them. -ted- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ted@helios.ucsc.edu |"He has showed you, O man, what is good; and what does the W (408)459-2110 |Lord require of you but to do justice and to love kindness H (408)423-2444 |and to walk humbly with your God?" Micah 6:8 (RSV)
noren@dinl.uucp (Charles Noren) (09/05/90)
In article <6573@darkstar.ucsc.edu> ted@helios.ucsc.edu (Ted Cantrall) writes: >In article <125520@kean.ucs.mun.ca> jgarland@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes: >>My question is, what is the propriety of giving these packages to some >>deserving and/or poor student or high school? While some software I >John, I asked Borland this very question, and the guy I taked to said >" as far as I'm concerned, it's yours to do with as you please" >His choice of words may not indicate Borland policy is so liberal, but >to be on the safe side you can call/write and ask them. I had the same kind of response from Borland. I was told that if the new owner of my old package wanted support I needed to write a letter to Borland indicating that my old copy (with license numbers) now belongs to the other person. So, when I upgraded to TC++, I sold (very cheap) my old copy of TC 2.0 and sent in the letter. The buyer has just got an upgrade coupon for TC++ from Borland as a result. -- Chuck Noren NET: dinl!noren@ncar.ucar.edu US-MAIL: Martin Marietta I&CS, MS XL8058, P.O. Box 1260, Denver, CO 80201-1260 Phone: (303) 971-7930
abrams@cs.columbia.edu (Steven Abrams) (09/08/90)
In article <1724@dinl.mmc.UUCP> noren@dinl.uucp (Charles Noren) writes:
[. . . On Borland's attitude towards reselling old versions . . .]
I had the same kind of response from Borland. I was told that if
the new owner of my old package wanted support I needed to write a
letter to Borland indicating that my old copy (with license numbers)
now belongs to the other person.
So, when I upgraded to TC++, I sold (very cheap) my old copy of TC 2.0
and sent in the letter. The buyer has just got an upgrade coupon
for TC++ from Borland as a result.
That has got to be the most ridiculous loophole I ever heard of in my
life. In other words, ANYONE who knows ANYONE who has an old version
of software can essentially get the new version at the Upgrade
price???
Wow, I've got to try this.. :-)
~~~Steve
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*richw@hplsla.HP.COM (Rich Wilson) (09/11/90)
That has got to be the most ridiculous loophole I ever heard of in my life. In other words, ANYONE who knows ANYONE who has an old version of software can essentially get the new version at the Upgrade price??? Wow, I've got to try this.. :-) ---------- When I upgraded to turbo C++ pro for $125, I noticed that the mail order prices were about $20 more. Not a whopping difference. =========================================================================== Rich Wilson Internet: richw@hplsla.lsid.HP.COM Hewlett Packard Company Phone: 206-335-2245 Lake Stevens Instrument Division FAX: 206-335-2828
dgil@pa.reuter.COM (Dave Gillett) (09/16/90)
In <12990002@hplsla.HP.COM> richw@hplsla.HP.COM (Rich Wilson) quotes a previous posting without giving the poster's name: >That has got to be the most ridiculous loophole I ever heard of in my >life. In other words, ANYONE who knows ANYONE who has an old version >of software can essentially get the new version at the Upgrade >price??? >Wow, I've got to try this.. :-) If Borland wants to treat everyone who is interested enough in running their software to obtain legitimate access to a copy of it just as if they had gone out and paid list for it, that's a decision to provide quality service to their users and completely within their prerogatives. Sure, it's a loophole, but closing it would violate the spirit of their "No-Nonsense" approach to licensing. If Borland loses money on this and goes belly-up, we can say that it was a bad choice. If Borland gains many loyal customers, who have praise for their products and services, and thus makes a ton of money, we can say that it was a good choice. But *in either case*, none of us is in a position to say that it's a "ridiculous" choice. Dave