ajayshah@almaak.usc.edu (Ajay Shah) (10/26/90)
I bought MKS toolkit recently.  In case you didn't know, The
Programmer's Shop gives you a educational discount, I paid
something like $125.  The toolkit == MKS Shell + MKS Awk + a huge
bunch of /bin programs.
You can install it in several different configurations, each
implies a different extent to which it "takes over" your machine.
The minimal configuration involves leaving your setup essentially
untouched, and filling /bin with 250ish programs which you can
use at will.  The maximal configuration is for the MKS shell to
come up through config.sys.
Personally, I hate MS-DOS so I've given over my machine
completely to MKS.  The only catches derived from the fact that
I'm a 386 and the installation manual doesn't really talk much
about how to do a good job of installing on the 386.  My "best"
solution is pretty weird:
	config.sys starts with 386-max as memory manager, and uses
	it to put all device drivers into high memory.  Last, it
	starts up MKS shell as shell=
	profile.ksh (the autoexec of the MKS shell) fires a strange
	batch file called msdosstart.bat.  This chap uses the
	386-max programs maxhi and maxlo to load a large sidekick
	into high memory.  The reason this is done using a MS-DOS
	batch file is that it leaves me more memory for the SK
	notepad (i can explain further over email).
Goods:
	- Awk is fantastic. It's better than the GNU awk.
	- I don't like the kornshell (or the bourne shell) but it's a
	huge gain over command.com.  I say things like q `which td` 
	all the time and it works!
	- The /bin utilities are largely welldone and faithfully
	replicate a Unix environment, with some limitations.
	- if you have a ramdisk, he makes pipes work through the
	ramdisk, which is great for pipes faster than command.com.
	- In all, I can't live without it.
Bads:
	- the shell commandline editing mechanism is terrible,
	- Kornshell is inferior to cshell, IMHO, in many ways,
	- it takes a while to move mindsets.  Also, running DOS
	programs from MKS Shell is sometimes downright irritating.
	I sometimes fire a command.com for the purpose :-(
	- there are more bugs than I'd have expected from a
	commercial package.
	- the documentation is good but not great.
Bugs I found:
	- If you exceed the size of the commandline he can deal
	with (max = 8192 instead of microsoft's 128), he hangs.  In
	my /bin which has a huge number of progams, ls *.exe hangs
	him.
	- I tried on tar-compress-uncompress on a large file system
	and the uncompressed version was different from the
	original.  It worked correctly on a few other files, but I
	can't use it with peace of mind anymore..
	- A few other minor shell+/bin bugs.
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Ajay Shah, (213)734-3930, ajayshah@usc.edu
                              The more things change, the more they stay insane.
_______________________________________________________________________________psfales@cbnewsc.att.com (Peter Fales) (10/27/90)
In article <27731@usc>, ajayshah@almaak.usc.edu (Ajay Shah) writes: ... > - if you have a ramdisk, he makes pipes work through the > ramdisk, which is great for pipes faster than command.com. I am a big fan of the tookit myself, but I am not sure what you mean here. How do I make pipes work through the ramdisk? ... > Also, running DOS > programs from MKS Shell is sometimes downright irritating. I have a few aliases I find useful. For example, alias dir="command -c dir" -- Peter Fales AT&T, Room 5B-420 N9IYJ 2000 N. Naperville Rd. UUCP: ...att!ihlpb!psfales Naperville, IL 60566 Domain: psfales@ihlpb.att.com work: (708) 979-8031