forrest@sybase.com (10/06/90)
I just finished reading "DESQview/X, A Technical Perspective"
which talks about plans for a new version of DESQview. This new version
will contain a whole bunch of stuff, among which are:
o An MSDOS X server
o Various window managers
o Xlib, Xt, and various toolkits
o MSDOS system software to make all this work right
This document says nothing about cost but, given the rapidly
descreasing price of CPU's and memory, I wonder what DESQview/X
will do to the X-terminal market. For that matter, I wonder if this
will help make developing X applications more profitable since the
number of machines capable of running DESQview/X will be very large.
And, I wonder what this will do to the Windows 3.0 and OS/2-PM market.
(Of course, all this assumes that DESQview/X works well).
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415-596-3422granroth@iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu (10/09/90)
In article <11193@sybase.sybase.com>, forrest@sybase.com writes: > I just finished reading "DESQview/X, A Technical Perspective" > which talks about plans for a new version of DESQview. This new version > will contain a whole bunch of stuff, among which are: > > o An MSDOS X server > o Various window managers > o Xlib, Xt, and various toolkits > o MSDOS system software to make all this work right > . . . The obvious request is: Could someone post a copy of this? I suspect that Quarterdeck would be more-than-happy. -Larry Granroth@IowaSP.physics.UIowa.edu IOWASP::GRANROTH
jan@moses.canberra.edu.au (Jan Newmarch) (10/10/90)
In article <1990Oct8.213042.1011@iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu> granroth@iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu writes: >In article <11193@sybase.sybase.com>, forrest@sybase.com writes: >> I just finished reading "DESQview/X, A Technical Perspective" >> which talks about plans for a new version of DESQview. This new version >> will contain a whole bunch of stuff, among which are: >> >> o An MSDOS X server >> o Various window managers >> o Xlib, Xt, and various toolkits >> o MSDOS system software to make all this work right >> . . . > >The obvious request is: Could someone post a copy of this? I doubt it - it has lots of pages. I faxed QuarterDeck (found the number in Byte) and was sent a copy in less than a week. +----------------------+---+ Jan Newmarch, Information Science and Engineering, University of Canberra, PO Box 1, Belconnen, Act 2616 Australia. Tel: (Aust) 6-2522422. Fax: (Aust) 6-2522999 ACSnet: jan@ise.canberra.edu.au ARPA: jan%ise.canberra.edu.au@uunet.uu.net UUCP: {uunet,ukc}!munnari!ise.canberra.edu.au!jan JANET: jan%au.edu.canberra.ise@EAN-RELAY +--------------------------+ > >-Larry Granroth@IowaSP.physics.UIowa.edu IOWASP::GRANROTH
pnl@hpfinote.HP.COM (Peter Lim) (10/11/90)
I saw that "Technical Guide" in the latest BYTE magazine -- IBM PC special
edition, don't have it with me. Quarterdeck printed a note on the side
... If this booklet is removed, call Quarterdeck and they will send you
a free copy. Can't remember the phone number though. Anyone ??
Basically, it is still vaporware. Scheduled to be release 1991. Essentially,
the booklet describe DesqView, X11 features and lots of promise what
DesqView/X can do.
I wait for 1991 .....
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#include <standard_disclaimer.hpp>jan@golf.canberra.edu.au (Jan Newmarch) (10/11/90)
In article <1990Oct10.033323.12590@csc.canberra.edu.au> jan@moses.canberra.edu.au (Jan Newmarch) writes: >I faxed QuarterDeck (found the number in >Byte) and was sent a copy [of their technical report on X] >in less than a week. I didn't include the contact in that posting since I didn't have it with me. Here it is: Quarterdeck Office Systems 150 Pico Blvd., Santa Monica, CA 90405 USA (213) 392-9851 Fax: (213) 399-3802 +----------------------+---+ Jan Newmarch, Information Science and Engineering, University of Canberra, PO Box 1, Belconnen, Act 2616 Australia. Tel: (Aust) 6-2522422. Fax: (Aust) 6-2522999 ACSnet: jan@ise.canberra.edu.au ARPA: jan%ise.canberra.edu.au@uunet.uu.net UUCP: {uunet,ukc}!munnari!ise.canberra.edu.au!jan JANET: jan%au.edu.canberra.ise@EAN-RELAY
kelpie@nwnexus.WA.COM (Anthony C. Garland) (10/12/90)
pnl@hpfinote.HP.COM (Peter Lim) writes: >I saw that "Technical Guide" in the latest BYTE magazine -- IBM PC special >Basically, it is still vaporware. Scheduled to be release 1991. Essentially, >the booklet describe DesqView, X11 features and lots of promise what >DesqView/X can do. >I wait for 1991 ..... While I agree with the author that it is vaporware, it is worth noting that in the same BYTE issue in the article entitled "The Migration of the X Window System" the author saw demo'd an early version of Desqview X and was very impressed with its capabilities and apparent robustness (at such an early stage). For what its worth... o-----------------------------------------------------------------------------o | Anthony C. Garland, P.E. Garland Consulting | | 1373 S. Bonanza Alley, (206) 387-6390 | | Camano Island, WA 98292 kelpie@nwnexus.WA.COM | o-----------------------------------------------------------------------------o
cgordon@vpnet.chi.il.us (Gordon Hlavenka) (10/13/90)
>I saw that "Technical Guide" in the latest BYTE magazine -- IBM PC special >edition, don't have it with me. Quarterdeck printed a note on the side >... If this booklet is removed, call Quarterdeck and they will send you >a free copy. Can't remember the phone number though. Anyone ?? (213) 392-9851 ----------------------------------------------------- Gordon S. Hlavenka cgordon@vpnet.chi.il.us
mark@infolog.se (Mark Plotnick) (10/17/90)
In article <1990Oct8.213042.1011@iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu> granroth@iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu writes: >In article <11193@sybase.sybase.com>, forrest@sybase.com writes: >> I just finished reading "DESQview/X, A Technical Perspective" >> which talks about plans for a new version of DESQview. This new version What would be the difference between this and a X-Server application running under Windows-3? Mark mark@infolog.se
kusumoto@chsun1.uchicago.edu (Bob Kusumoto) (10/19/90)
mark@infolog.se (Mark Plotnick) writes: >What would be the difference between this and a X-Server application >running under Windows-3? A different window manager at the very least (Quarterdeck is using their own window manager rather than olwm, twm or some other one in the standard X11 distribution). Do you think MSWindows3 will handle DOS programs at the same time as your running X windows (is there an MSWindows X-window terminal out there already?)? Bob Bob Kusumoto | Find the electric messiah! Internet: kusumoto@chsun1.uchicago.edu | The AC/DC God! Bitnet: kusumoto@chsun1.uchicago.bitnet | - My Life with the Thrill Kill UUCP: ...!{oddjob,gargoyle}!chsun1!kusumoto | Kult, "Kooler than Jesus"
cb@sequoia.execu.com (Christopher D. Brown) (10/19/90)
In article <kusumoto.656285930@chsun1> kusumoto@chsun1.uchicago.edu (Bob Kusumoto) writes: #mark@infolog.se (Mark Plotnick) writes: #>What would be the difference between this and a X-Server application #>running under Windows-3? # #A different window manager at the very least (Quarterdeck is using their own #window manager rather than olwm, twm or some other one in the standard X11 #distribution). Do you think MSWindows3 will handle DOS programs at the #same time as your running X windows (is there an MSWindows X-window terminal #out there already?)? ... I don't have my references handy but at least one of XY Vision, X Sight, and AT Vision runs as an MS Windows window. In 386 enhanced mode, Windows 3.0 can multi-task DOS and Windows apps. cb -- Christopher D. Brown Digital: {uunet|cs.utexas.edu}!execu!cb Analog: (512) 327-7070 Physical: Execucom, 108 Wild Basin Road, Two Wild Basin, Austin, TX 78764
phil@brahms.amd.com (Phil Ngai) (10/23/90)
In article <251@infolog.se> mark@infolog.se (Mark Plotnick) writes: |>> I just finished reading "DESQview/X, A Technical Perspective" |What would be the difference between this and a X-Server application |running under Windows-3? As I understand it (correct me if I'm wrong), DV/X offers three interesting capabilities, some might be obvious, some might not. 1) X server host. You could run X clients on your favorite Unix box and use your PC as the display. 2) X client(s) host. You could buy your favorite X client(s) from SW publishers (who may or may not exist right now) and run them on your PC without depending on a friendly Unix box being available. You could be running the X server at the same time. Or you might be sitting on an X terminal, with the PC running DV/X locked in a closet. 3) DOS application server. That is, a Unix box with an X server could open up a DOS application on a PC with DV/X and run it as an X client. So software that only runs on a PC could be made available to a Unix community. I suppose you could buy Lotus for $400, put it on a 486, and let a few dozen people run it at the same time. It would be interesting to see what kind of displays mode 3 supports. Would it be TEXT only, or would VGA be supported? What would that do to your network... -- The Bill of Rights isn't perfect, but it's better than what we have now.
hp0p+@andrew.cmu.edu (Hokkun Pang) (10/25/90)
can someone send me electronic version of the info if there's one? I can't seem to find an all IBM edition of byte magzine here in Pittsburgh.
mschedlb@binkley.ULowell.EDU (Martin J. Schedlbauer) (10/31/90)
Desqview/X is not vaporware. I've seen it in action in May at Xhibition'90. It worked and it worked amazingly well. Alpha copies are being shipped to developers already and general release is supposed to come in November. It has support for SuperVGA (I was told) and they are writing device drivers for major VGA cards. It is a full X11R3 server with many of the standard clients, e.g. twm, uwm, xclock, etc. plus a new window manager. They also ship OSF/Motif, Xt, and will ship Xview. It runs well and running over a network is as good as any X application. Running over a network is not as bad as it may seem, since X does buffering and all sorts of tricks to keep the network traffic low. Actually, the performancxe degredation is usually not noticable, unless the network is very heavily loaded. Martin J. Schedlbauer Graphics Research Laboratory, Department of Computer Science, WL 118 University of Lowell Lowell, MA 01854 (USA) (508) 934-3612