[comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc] Buying from someone on the Net?

umcarls9@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Charles Carlson) (11/09/90)

 
This is a topic I've never seen discussed on the Net.  
I see lots of 'Anyone had any good/bad experiences with ABCXYZ CO.?'
  
But I've never seen 'Anyone had any good/bad experiences buying from an
individual on the Net?'
  
That is the question I am curious about.  Every now and then I see something
advertised on here for a decent price that I wouldn't mind buying.
<although most of the stuff seems not to be that much cheaper than mail
order, such as $50 off of a hard disk over mail order, I'd go mail order!>
  
But at times there are some decent deals.  I'd be interested in hearing
about any experiences.  I haven't seen any public flames warning people
about any certain individual so am I to assume that everything generally
goes OK?  Or is everybody just afraid to buy from individuals?
  
I guess the main thing that makes me shy is wondering why some of the
people sell over the Net?  Most of the stuff seems to be general everyday
popular items that there should be no problem selling by putting up a 
bulletin on a board at work or at school, or worse yet, a $5.00 ad in 
your local paper.  Either of those seems less work than trying to mail
something across the country or around the world. 
  
  
Charles

dr.warren@pro-graphics.cts.com (Warren Lieuallen) (11/12/90)

In-Reply-To: message from umcarls9@ccu.umanitoba.ca

   Although I've not been using THIS net for quite a month yet, I have
both bought and sold a few items through other national IBM PC nets.
I've not had any problems buying items (all under $60, so we're not
talking any major risks involved), and was able to find BIG bargains
(that's why I was looking there in the first place).  I sold there
again because of convenience -- how else can you reach so many people,
all interested in what you're selling (your audience is restricted to
folks looking to buy computer "stuff")?  In general, I've been very
happy with this whole concept.
   However, I too have seen occasional messages in the "Hey, you bum;
you cashed my check, but didn't send me my stuff!" catagory.  When
purchasing, I always phone the seller first, to talk to them "face-to-
face".
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chris@imagine.ADMS-RAD.Unisys.COM (Chris Sterritt) (11/13/90)

In article <1990Nov8.192749.8001@ccu.umanitoba.ca> umcarls9@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Charles Carlson) writes:
>That is the question I am curious about.  Every now and then I see something
>advertised on here for a decent price that I wouldn't mind buying.
><although most of the stuff seems not to be that much cheaper than mail
>order, such as $50 off of a hard disk over mail order, I'd go mail order!>

Yes, AS EVERYWHERE, you must watch the real price.  I've gotten some (list)
50 dollar games, that (mail order) cost $25, for $10.  Seems like a win. :-).

I've also sold some programs that were just gathering dust (not just games).

>But at times there are some decent deals.  I'd be interested in hearing
>about any experiences.  I haven't seen any public flames warning people
>about any certain individual so am I to assume that everything generally
>goes OK?  Or is everybody just afraid to buy from individuals?

Hey, you'll find people out there paranoid of just about anything -- I'm not
being terribly facetious (sp?) here.

What are you afraid of?

>I guess the main thing that makes me shy is wondering why some of the
>people sell over the Net?  Most of the stuff seems to be general everyday
>popular items that there should be no problem selling by putting up a 
>bulletin on a board at work or at school, or worse yet, a $5.00 ad in 
>your local paper.  Either of those seems less work than trying to mail
>something across the country or around the world. 

WELL, in my case, I work (this week, literally!) at a company where there is
exactly ONE other mac user!  Furthermore, I don't go to school, and there are
no users groups that are near me.

Contrast this with the net: your email goes into the eyeballs (and occasionally
from there into the brains! :-) of thousands of Mac addicts every day.
SURELY there is a *MUCH* higher chance of selling something this way.

Case in point: I sold my copy of SmallTalk/V for the Mac; got about three
responses, compared to the twenty or so responses for the games I sold at the
same time.

As with *EVERYTHING* else, be careful: when I sold stuff, I had people send
me a check.  Then, once I had it (NO, I didn't wait for it to clear!) I sent
them the software.  EVERYONE was happy: I've even bought SIMM memory this way
(interestingly enough, everyone who I've *purchased* from has sent ME the
stuff right off, parallel to me sending my check!).

I feel pretty good about checks; they have the person's name and address on
them, and you've got to send the software SOMEWHERE.

So, in summary, chalk me up as a happy NET purchaser/vendor.  I *DID* have one
person never send me their check... so I never sent them the software.  No
fuss...  I'd deal with them again, same terms :-).

Oh yeah, one final anecdote in this too-long reply :-).  You *MIGHT* see my
name as 'something' of a deadbeat; I had a guy send me an SF book that was
available in Canada, and not in the US, and he sent the book before he sent
me his address via email.  The book arrived just fine, BUT the return address
was mangled beyond readability!  I hurredly sent him email to get his real
one, but he'd left school for the summer already, and never got the mail.
Happily, I asked on one of the nets about him when I thought he'd be back at
school, and he contacted me, and I sent him a check, AND he cashed it!  :-).

So, best of luck; I've never heard *ANYTHING* but good stories on net-trading
and selling.

	--chris sterritt

dbarnhar@oiscola.Columbia.NCR.COM (11/15/90)

In article <1990Nov8.192749.8001@ccu.umanitoba.ca> umcarls9@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Charles Carlson) writes:
>
> 
>This is a topic I've never seen discussed on the Net.  
>I see lots of 'Anyone had any good/bad experiences with ABCXYZ CO.?'
>  
>But I've never seen 'Anyone had any good/bad experiences buying from an
>individual on the Net?'
>  
>That is the question I am curious about.  Every now and then I see something
>advertised on here for a decent price that I wouldn't mind buying.
><although most of the stuff seems not to be that much cheaper than mail
>order, such as $50 off of a hard disk over mail order, I'd go mail order!>
>

Sometimes mail order is the best bet.  Sometimes not.  Mail order prices
on SIMMs are certainly not that great.  (From the major mail-order places
that people usually deal with e.g. MacConnection & MacWarehouse.)  Sometimes
the net prices are terrible.  I've seen Mac Pluses advertised for outrageous
prices.  The net is just another resource to consider when buying (or selling)
something.

>  
>But at times there are some decent deals.  I'd be interested in hearing
>about any experiences.  I haven't seen any public flames warning people
>about any certain individual so am I to assume that everything generally
>goes OK?  Or is everybody just afraid to buy from individuals?
>

The main thing to consider, as always, is caveat emptor.  Aside from this,
I have purchased a hard disk (a reasonably risky purchase) from an individual
on the net.  I got an excellent deal, and I'm completely satisfied.  Your
mileage, of course, may vary.  That's the way it works.  I've known people
that were completely UNsatisfied after visiting their local dealer.

>  
>I guess the main thing that makes me shy is wondering why some of the
>people sell over the Net?  Most of the stuff seems to be general everyday
>popular items that there should be no problem selling by putting up a 
>bulletin on a board at work or at school, or worse yet, a $5.00 ad in 
>your local paper.  Either of those seems less work than trying to mail
>something across the country or around the world. 
>  

First, as evidenced by this post, it takes almost no effort to put something
on the net.  Second, it is often possible to reach the best audience this
way.  I'm not sure what your Mac community is like in Manitoba, but in South
Carolina, it doesn't seem very large, and most of the people in the user groups
have machines at WORK or school, not at home.  This means that if they buy
something, they have to clear it with their boss, and if you are not a major
vendor, then FORGET IT!  On the net, I can reach a lot more people who would
be interested in a piece of Mac Hardware than I can by putting out something
locally.  Besides, even if there are 2,000,000 personal mac users here in
South Carolina, I don't know them, and it would be more difficult to reach
them than it would be to reach others by the electronic media.

>  
>Charles

Dave Barnhart
NCR Cooperative Computing Systems Division
3245 Platt Springs Rd.
West Columbia, SC  29169    email: uunet!ncrlnk!ncrcae!oiscola!dbarnhar
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Dave Barnhart
NCR Cooperative Computing Systems Division
3245 Platt Springs Rd.
West Columbia, SC  29169    email: uunet!ncrlnk!ncrcae!oiscola!dbarnhar

davidsen@sixhub.UUCP (Wm E. Davidsen Jr) (11/23/90)

In article <316@oiscola.Columbia.NCR.COM> dbarnhar@oiscola.UUCP (David C. Barnhart II) writes:

| Sometimes mail order is the best bet.  Sometimes not.  Mail order prices
| on SIMMs are certainly not that great.  (From the major mail-order places
| that people usually deal with e.g. MacConnection & MacWarehouse.)  Sometimes
| the net prices are terrible.  I've seen Mac Pluses advertised for outrageous
| prices.  The net is just another resource to consider when buying (or selling)
| something.

  I agree with your thought that the net is just a resource, but "not
that great?" I see SIMMs for $42-48 in _PC Week_, what would you
consider good. I bought 10MB of 1x9 80ns for $48 including shipping
about a month ago.
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