[comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc] MEI / MicroCenter Diskettes

readdm@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (David M. Read) (11/20/90)

After all of the uproar concerning MEI / MicroCenter and their
diskettes I decided that the only way to find out for sure was to go
and order some myself.  Here'e what happened:

I picked up a copy of the Computer Shopper, and called MEI's 800
number listed in their ad.  They answered on the first try, which is
more than I can say for many of the advertisers in CS.

I placed an order for 50 HD 3.5" diskettes, two packages of labels,
and a couple of thei el-cheapo diskette storage boxes.  I payed with a
VISA number, and thet assured me that I would get the stuff within
7-10 days.  This was all on Monday morning two weeks ago.

The very next Monday, the box arrived.  I sat down that night and
formatted all of the diskettes, and discovered the following:
out of 50 diskettes, 9 had one or more bad sectors.  In the worst
case, one diskette had almost 70Kbytes worth of bad sectors.  Two of
the diskettes had bad sectors on track 0, which makes them completely
unusable.  These two were complete write-offs, so I ripped them open
because my girlfriend wanted to see what  the inside of a diskette
looks like.

So the failure rate is either 9/50 or 2/50, depending on how you look
at it.  Either way, the 79 cents/diskette price makes them much
cheaper than they are bought retail!

I haven't tried calling MEI to see about replacements yet, but I'm not
sure it's worth the effort.  I'll do it, though, just to let people
know how it goes.

All in all, this was a pretty satisfactory order for me, and I
wouldn't hesitate to do it again.

-- 
Dave Read                 | readdm@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu  |"I will go insane, and 
UT-Austin Nuclear Physics | readdm@physics.utexas.edu  | I WILL TAKE YOU WITH ME
 Graduate Student (Slave) | read@lampf.lanl.gov        | -from 'Beetlejuice'

awessels@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Allen Wessels) (11/20/90)

In article <39963@ut-emx.uucp> readdm@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (David M. Read) writes:

>So the failure rate is either 9/50 or 2/50, depending on how you look
>at it.  Either way, the 79 cents/diskette price makes them much
>cheaper than they are bought retail!

Uh, can anyone out there shed some light on the issue of diskette failure
rate AFTER they have been formatted?  If that many disks fail formatting,
how many are likely to fail later, when you have data on them?  Especially
over time with changing diskette drive read heads?

flint@gistdev.gist.com (Flint Pellett) (11/21/90)

awessels@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Allen Wessels) writes:

>In article <39963@ut-emx.uucp> readdm@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (David M. Read) writes:

>>So the failure rate is either 9/50 or 2/50, depending on how you look
>>at it.  Either way, the 79 cents/diskette price makes them much
>>cheaper than they are bought retail!

>Uh, can anyone out there shed some light on the issue of diskette failure
>rate AFTER they have been formatted?  If that many disks fail formatting,
>how many are likely to fail later, when you have data on them?  Especially
>over time with changing diskette drive read heads?

Recent history only: Over the past 6 months, using around 150 3.5" HD and 100
5.25" HD and maybe 100 5.25" DSDD diskettes from MEI, I've never yet had one
fail if it formatted properly.  (An error rate that is measurable is too high.) 
I have had an average of about 2 out of each 50 3.5" diskettes be bad on
arrival, but I've called them up and they've shipped replacements for the bad
diskettes immediately every time, no questions.  On the 5.25" diskettes: I'd
been formatting my DSDD diskettes to 800K regularly with several different
brands of diskettes with no problems, but when I bought some MEI diskettes and
tried to do that with them, about 90% of them failed to format.  So I format
them to 720K, and they work fine, and are still a lot cheaper than any other on
a per KB basis.  I've never tried putting more than 1.4 MB on HD 5.25's, so
I don't know if you can do that or not.
-- 
Flint Pellett, Global Information Systems Technology, Inc.
1800 Woodfield Drive, Savoy, IL  61874     (217) 352-1165
uunet!gistdev!flint or flint@gistdev.gist.com

draper@buster.cps.msu.edu (Patrick J Draper) (11/21/90)

In article <1025@gistdev.gist.com> flint@gistdev.gist.com (Flint Pellett) writes:
>awessels@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Allen Wessels) writes:
>
>>In article <39963@ut-emx.uucp> readdm@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (David M. Read) writes:
>
>
>>Uh, can anyone out there shed some light on the issue of diskette failure
>>rate AFTER they have been formatted?  If that many disks fail formatting,
>>how many are likely to fail later, when you have data on them?  Especially
>>over time with changing diskette drive read heads?
>
>Recent history only: Over the past 6 months, using around 150 3.5" HD and 100
>5.25" HD and maybe 100 5.25" DSDD diskettes from MEI, I've never yet had one
>fail if it formatted properly.  (An error rate that is measurable is too high.) 
Hi,

Call me stupid or whatever, but I've got a couple of SINGLE SIDED 3.5"
diskettes (no brand, meant to hold 360K) that I've been using for a
couple years formatted at 1.44 Megabytes. I don't keep anything valuable
on them, just moving things between computers and stuff like that, and
I've had no errors.

I agree that if you can get the diskette to format and work reliably, it
won't fail until the metal oxide wears off the disk - a couple years or
more of heavy use.


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alan@km4ba.UUCP (Alan Barrow) (11/27/90)

draper@buster.cps.msu.edu (Patrick J Draper) writes:

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>Call me stupid or whatever, but I've got a couple of SINGLE SIDED 3.5"

FYI, Most single sided 3.5" disks did not have the bottom side of the
media polished. In testing that my company did on using the single 
sided disks in DS drives, head wear was much accelerated. It was like
using an abrasive head cleaner on the bottom head. They would read
and write however.

If you look at the disk, you can usually tell a difference visually.

Once DS disks came out, I think everyone just quit making
SS media, so it is not an issue anymore. Once I saw the test
results, I gave/traded all my blue SS 3.5" to friends with old
macs & Atari ST's.

Most Mac-people will argue with you abt this, until you show
them the difference visually.

Have fun!

Alan Barrow
..!gatech!kd4nc!km4ba!alan

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