[comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc] Announcement from Microsoft

t-billg@microsoft.UUCP (Big Guy) (04/01/91)

A message for the veteran Macintosh user, from the people at Microsoft:

Have you felt left out of recent personal computer developments?  Does it
feel like the advances of the computer world are passing the Macintosh by?

You've probably been using the Macintosh for a number of years now.
You've gotten used to the idea that a computer doesn't have to have a
cumbersome awkward interface based on obscure cryptic commands.  And you've
grown accustomed to the user interface standard to which all the other user
interfaces are compared.  An interface that remains consistent across a
variety of applications that really do give you the power to be your best.

But recently, all the attention seems to have moved away from the Macintosh.
Developments in the IBM-PC world have overshadowed the enhancements being
made to your favorite computer.  Macs are no longer in the spotlight, no
longer the leading edge of computing technology that they once were.  

Or so it seemed to much of the world.  Until now.

Announcing, at last, a revolutionary new system that gives you even more
consistency, compatibility, and capability than you've ever known before.

Announcing...








		Microsoft Windows for the Macintosh







Yes, all the power you've come to know on your IBM PC will soon be available
on the Macintosh, too.  Get all the power and function of Windows applications
like Microsoft Word for Windows and Microsoft Excel for Windows, right there
on your Macintosh.  Now the Macintosh user will come to know what users of
Windows on the IBM PC have known for some time now:  that a powerful graphical
icon-based user interface will give you even more power to be your best than
you've ever had before!

Prices:
-------
Microsoft Windows for the Macintosh		$395	(requires 4MB RAM,
	(comes with Windows for the Mac,		 hard drive,
	 Toolbook for Windows for the Mac,		 AppleTalk,
	 plus two exciting applications:		 Mac IIfx or SE/860,
	     Write/Mac and Paintbrush/Mac)		 and System 7.0)

Microsoft Word for Windows for the Mac		$495	(requires 8MB RAM,
							 hard drive,
							 LaserWriter IINT)

  **upgrade for current word processor users:	$129

Microsoft Excel for Windows for the Mac		$695	(requires 16MB RAM,
							 hard drive,
							 WinMac TrueType
							 Display Manager XL,
							 System 8.2)

  **upgrade for current users of anything:	$129

Microsoft Windows for the Macintosh (A/UX)	$2095	(requires 32MB RAM,
							 A/UX 5.4.3, CD-ROM,
							 WinMac TrueType Display
							 Manager for A/UX,
							 X for Windows for the
							 Mac)

Hypercard for Windows for the Macintosh (*)	$249	(requires Mac IIux
							 or Mac IIImx with
							 64MB RAM, 4GB disk
							 drive, WinMac TrueType
							 Display Manager for
							 the Mac or Adobe 
							 Display Postscript +)
 
	(* - also available:  Toolbook for the Macintosh -- includes
		conversion tool for converting Hypercard stacks into
		Toolbook applications to run on your new enhanced Mac!
		Also includes Toolbox Toolbook, Toolbook Toolbox, and
		extra added Snap-On Tools for tear-off menus.)

Availability:
-------------
Pending favorable outcome of ongoing legal action between who-knows-who and
who-knows-why.  Expected release date -- some year with a zero in it.
Void where prohibited by lawsuit.  Your look and feel may vary.

(As a matter of fact, it had better!...)

128a-1ha@web-4e.berkeley.edu (04/01/91)

In article <AAprf001491b@microsoft.UUCP> t-billg@microsoft.UUCP (Big Guy) writes:
...
>
>Announcing, at last, a revolutionary new system that gives you even more
>consistency, compatibility, and capability than you've ever known before.
>
>Announcing...
>
>
>		Microsoft Windows for the Macintosh
>
...

What is this?  The first april fools joke..

Nelson
128a-1ha@web.berkeley.edu

chuq@Apple.COM (Chuq Von Rospach, net.god {retired}) (04/02/91)

128a-1ha@web-4e.berkeley.edu writes:

>What is this?  The first april fools joke..

Actually, the third that I've seen so far...

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jeffe@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (George Jefferson ) (04/02/91)

requres
....
...Mac IIfx or SE/860
               ^^^^^
               
          I would say so .



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aaron@jessica.stanford.edu (Aaron Wallace) (04/02/91)

In article <1991Apr1.061348.2511@agate.berkeley.edu> 128a-1ha@web-4e.berkeley.edu () writes:
>In article <AAprf001491b@microsoft.UUCP> t-billg@microsoft.UUCP (Big Guy) writes:
>...
>>
>>Announcing, at last, a revolutionary new system that gives you even more
>>consistency, compatibility, and capability than you've ever known before.
>>
>>Announcing...
>>
>>
>>		Microsoft Windows for the Macintosh
>>
>...
>
>What is this?  The first april fools joke..
>
>Nelson
>128a-1ha@web.berkeley.edu

Well, it is and it isn't.  1: There was a recent article in MacWeak or
whatever that talked about the Microsoft Mac.  It ends up that MS has had
a lot of influence on the Mac software world; most recently, with regards to
porting OLE to the Mac.  Any owners of Excel 3 will note that the Functions
and Macros ref. is the same for the future Mac version, and thus will have
functions like DDE.POKE and such.  The question is: since MS is the biggest
Mac software maker, will its standards become Mac standards?

2: It's well-known that OS/2 3.xx (portable OS/2, a/k/a Portable Windows) is
being ported to the 680xx architecture, esp. the Mac.  Rumors of versions of
OS/2 running on Mac IIs have been reported.  Since the future of OS/2 and
Windows in MS's eyes are the same, if OS/2 3.xx ever hatches for the Mac,
you'll have Windows for the Mac.  

Of course, Apple has hinted at porting HokeyFinder to Intel machines as well,
and CP/M once ran on them all...

Actually, the first half of the "joke," about the Mac world being "left
out," sounded authentic enough... :-)

Aaron Wallace

mholtz@sactoh0.sac.ca.us (Mark A. Holtz) (04/02/91)

In article <1991Apr1.061348.2511@agate.berkeley.edu>, 128a-1ha@web-4e.berkeley.edu writes:
> In article <AAprf001491b@microsoft.UUCP> t-billg@microsoft.UUCP (Big Guy) writes:
> What is this?  The first april fools joke..

Check the first part of the message header: AAprf001 -> April Fool
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vcl@mimas.UUCP (Victor C. Limary) (04/02/91)

  What a great program!  Now I can get the Mac to actually DO something!  

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gort@cup.portal.com (george d harrington) (04/02/91)

Re: tbill_g's announcement of Windows for Mac.
I'm still holding out for Topview for Mac, the graphical user
interface from IBM that will no doubt become the future
standard interface for ALL machines.

             gort@cup.portal.com

breidenb@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Oliver Breidenbach) (04/04/91)

to the people at microsoft:
Once again, you've done it!
That makes me unhappy mac user seeing light at the end of the tunnel...
After all these years of fighting with these nasty little mac programs, which
keep you from all the fun of fiddleling with zillions of different 
configurations, we finally have the long awaited apocalypse coming closer...
God bless you!
BUT: How about the recent versions of ms Word and Excel for the mac?
Is there a downgrade available? How much will you pay us for it?
But anyway,
have fun and keep on the right PATH. (i.e. C:\MAC) :-)

Oliver.

Disclaimer: For those, whose sense of humor is limited: This is NOT a flame,
neither a political or personal statement of any, but satirical kind. :-)

johnston@oscar.ccm.udel.edu (Bill Johnston) (04/04/91)

In article <1991Apr1.231547.20368@leland.Stanford.EDU>, aaron@jessica.stanford.edu (Aaron Wallace) writes...
>>>Announcing, at last, a revolutionary new system that gives you even more
>>>Announcing...  [  ... Windows for the Mac ... ]

>Actually, the first half of the "joke," about the Mac world being "left
>out," sounded authentic enough... :-)

So did the second part, which gave you an idea of how much you'd have
to spend on hardware and software to get a GUI that runs as fast as 
Mac OS on a Classic just out of the box (5 minutes out of the box, mind you)

.. you can only compare Apples with Apples, 'cuz oranges (or Blues,
    just ain't the same ...

-- Bill Johnston (johnston@oscar.ccm.udel.edu)

darwen@graphics.rent.com (Daniel Kraut) (04/04/91)

aaron@jessica.stanford.edu (Aaron Wallace) writes:

> In article <1991Apr1.061348.2511@agate.berkeley.edu> 128a-1ha@web-4e.berkeley
> >In article <AAprf001491b@microsoft.UUCP> t-billg@microsoft.UUCP (Big Guy) wr
> >...
> >>
> >>Announcing, at last, a revolutionary new system that gives you even more
> >>consistency, compatibility, and capability than you've ever known before.
> >>
> >>Announcing...
> >>
> >>
> >>		Microsoft Windows for the Macintosh
> >>
> >...
> >
> >What is this?  The first april fools joke..
> >
> >Nelson
> >128a-1ha@web.berkeley.edu
> 
> Well, it is and it isn't.  1: There was a recent article in MacWeak or
> whatever that talked about the Microsoft Mac.  It ends up that MS has had
> a lot of influence on the Mac software world; most recently, with regards to
> porting OLE to the Mac.  Any owners of Excel 3 will note that the Functions
> and Macros ref. is the same for the future Mac version, and thus will have
> functions like DDE.POKE and such.  The question is: since MS is the biggest
> Mac software maker, will its standards become Mac standards?
> 
> 2: It's well-known that OS/2 3.xx (portable OS/2, a/k/a Portable Windows) is
> being ported to the 680xx architecture, esp. the Mac.  Rumors of versions of
> OS/2 running on Mac IIs have been reported.  Since the future of OS/2 and
> Windows in MS's eyes are the same, if OS/2 3.xx ever hatches for the Mac,
> you'll have Windows for the Mac.  
> 
> Of course, Apple has hinted at porting HokeyFinder to Intel machines as well,
> and CP/M once ran on them all...
> 
> Actually, the first half of the "joke," about the Mac world being "left
> out," sounded authentic enough... :-)
> 
> Aaron Wallace

I thought that windows was a way that the ibm could use a facsimily of the 
same operating system macs run on. How could you have windows for the mac, 
if windows emulates the finder on a mac?

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peter@ficc.ferranti.com (Peter da Silva) (04/05/91)

In article <wTuVZ2w164w@graphics.rent.com> darwen@graphics.rent.com (Daniel Kraut) writes:
> I thought that windows was a way that the ibm could use a facsimily of the 
> same operating system macs run on. How could you have windows for the mac, 
> if windows emulates the finder on a mac?

Windows is sort of what you'd get if Apple could have implemented Multifinder
without having to remain compatible with older Mac applications. It's still
non-preemptive (which means each program is responsible for scheduling the
next as you run), but it's got a better multitasker. It's still got to
support MS-DOS apps, but since MS-DOS doesn't *do* anything it has to
emulate the hardware in a compatibility box, so nobody expects it to do
so fast. As a result, Windows 1.0 is actually sort of usable on an 8088.

Neither compares well to a real operating system with a scheduler and all,
of course.
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