[net.ham-radio] Quality of ICOM radios

wb7asr@isosvax.UUCP (Tom Boza, WB7ASR) (10/08/85)

                                                          8th of October, 1985
                                                          WB7ASR
                                                          Thomas A. Boza
                                                          10627 N. 38th Ave.
                                                          Phoenix, Arizona 85029
                                                          HOME: 602-938-0004
                                                          WORK: 602-869-4387
ICOM Corp.
2380 116th Ave. N.E.
Bellevue, Wash.  98004
206-454-7619

    I'm sending in my ICOM, IC-47A, UHF transceiver, Serial Number 01862, and
one HM-23 microphone for repair, per telephone conversation with Tom Moore, on 
October 7th, 1985. Tom stated that the repair cost will be $45.00 per hour, for
labor, plus parts.

    The problem with the radio is that it has an intermittent transmit, both 
on high and low power settings. The LEDs indicate that transmit power is being
delivered, but no RF or audio is being emitted. At times, it will transmit
with full power into my "Bird" watt meter and dummy load, and then quit.

    I am becoming VERY disillusioned with ICOM products. I only owned this
radio for five months, and already have to send it in for repairs. It's only
two months out of warranty. What really aggravates me, this is not the first 
time an ICOM product has given me problems. At the same time I bought this 
radio, I purchased the matching two meter radio, the IC-27A. The IC-27A had 
a similar problem. Within one month after purchase, the PLL circuit went out 
and it would not transmit or receive. Luckily, the entire radio was replaced 
under warranty, from the dealer. Currently, my replacement IC-27A has developed
a small, but noticeable problem. About once or twice a week, the radio will 
jump frequency and loose the frequency that was programmed into that memory 
location. I'm living with this problem for the time being. Also, eight months 
ago, I purchased an ICOM IC-271A, two meter all mode transceiver. I had to 
replace that radio THREE times, under warranty, before I got one that would 
work for any length of time. I selected ICOM products, because I thought I was 
getting top shelf, state-of-the-art, quality radios. The way that my ICOM 
products are holding up, I'm VERY sceptical of ever buying any ICOM products 
again. By adding the cost for this repair and UPS charges to the total cost 
of the radio, I am paying more than your competitors equal value radio. This 
also doesn't take into consideration, my time spent dealing with broken 
radios. I do own several Kenwood and Yaesu radios, and I have never had one 
problem with any of them.

     Once the repairs are made, please notify me either by telephone, to my
day time business number, or by letter, to my home address. I will then send a 
check to you for the repairs. What type of warranty will I receive with the
repair of this radio ?    All the above mentioned warranty replacements are
documented.


                                                            Thank You


                                                      __________________________
                                                        Thomas A. Boza, WB7ASR

acardenas.ES@Xerox.ARPA (10/12/85)

Tom...

I  needed repairs on my  Icom IC245 and after three attempts with
ICOM-Washington,  one trip to  Icom-Texas  repaired the problem.

Apparently the problem was built-in... foil lifting from the PWBA!  The
repair was called a  "jumper-job"...  It cost me  $65 plus time and
postage.  I  feel an honest company would have stood behind the product
and repaired the problem without cost.

Much like the issue with the  Kenwood VHF Power Modules... If the arrl
really had it's stuff together,  they would have brought a class action
against  Kenwood  on behalf of all  American Radio Operators...  A
strong message to all ham radio manufactures that we are fed up  with
poor  design/engineering  and won't take it any more! 


Tony Cardenas
WA6IGJ
QA Auditor,
6085 Project.ES

fab@husky.uucp (Rick Booth) (10/14/85)

     Tom Boza is not alone in his frustration with Icom and radios
sent back for repair.  I have an Icom R-70 that has been back to the
factory at a cost of $100 to replace the main CPU chip.  The cost of
shipping and hourly repair charge could make a $200-300 unit almost
a throw away unit if it needs service. My Icom 47-A also has a problem
that I have lived with since I got it last year.  The transmit carrier
has a PLL loop whine that is quite noticeable. Icom says they are aware
of the problem but have no fix.  I spent $415 for a high quality radio
only to be told that is the way it is and you'll have to live with it.
By the way I also own Kenwood VHF and HF equipment and have no problems
with any of it!

Rick Booth, K2SA
Eastman Kodak Company  {allerga,seismo}!rochester!ritcv!husky!fab

larry@kitty.UUCP (Larry Lippman) (10/26/85)

> ... 
> Apparently the problem was built-in... foil lifting from the PWBA!  The
> repair was called a  "jumper-job"...  It cost me  $65 plus time and
> postage.  I  feel an honest company would have stood behind the product
> and repaired the problem without cost.
> 
> Much like the issue with the  Kenwood VHF Power Modules... If the arrl
> really had it's stuff together,  they would have brought a class action
> against  Kenwood  on behalf of all  American Radio Operators...  A
> strong message to all ham radio manufactures that we are fed up  with
> poor  design/engineering  and won't take it any more! 

	Aw, come on...  Didn't anyone ever wonder why ham-quality gear cost
an order of magnitude less than commercial-quality gear?  And TWO orders of
magnitude less than military-quality?

	You get what you pay for.  Period.  I have looked at so-called
commercial versions of hand-held radios made by ICOM, Wilson, etc., and
that stuff is real trash compared to GE, Motorola, Repco, etc. - of course,
it costs a lot less, too.

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