stone@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Glenn Stone) (05/05/91)
I have a 386-based IBM compatible with 8 megs of RAM on order and I'm thinking about how best to run it. I have read some about Desqview and Windows 3.0 but haven't used them. What are their relative advan- tages, and can they be used together? Are there other multitasker/ memory managers I should consider? Advice & discussion appreciated. Also if there are downloadable discussions of such matters I'd like to know about them; there doesn't seem to be anything in the FAQ or simtel.
rreiner@yunexus.YorkU.CA (Richard Reiner) (05/05/91)
stone@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Glenn Stone) writes: >I have a 386-based IBM compatible with 8 megs of RAM on order and I'm >thinking about how best to run it. I have read some about Desqview >and Windows 3.0 but haven't used them. What are their relative advan- >tages, and can they be used together? Are there other multitasker/ >memory managers I should consider? Advice & discussion appreciated. In summary: DV/386 is superb at running multiple DOS applications and managing their bad behaviour, as well as things like allowing text-mode and graphics-mode programs to share the screen, and cutting and pasting text between apps, and provides a rather nice but not too elaborate API, but does not provide a GUI. Windows in 386 mode runs DOS apps less well, but provides a nice pretty GUI and some nice things at the API level, such as dynamic data exchange. Solution: get both, and run Windows inside DESQview (the other way around won't work). The result is nice clean low-overhead multitasking of DOS apps, and GUI on demand for applications that use it. You also get the benefits of QEMM's improved memory management for Windows. //richard
lwb@pensoft.uucp (Lance Bledsoe) (05/06/91)
In article <1991May5.131335.25238@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> stone@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Glenn Stone) writes: >I have a 386-based IBM compatible with 8 megs of RAM on order and I'm >thinking about how best to run it. I have read some about Desqview >and Windows 3.0 but haven't used them. What are their relative advan- >tages, and can they be used together? Are there other multitasker/ >memory managers I should consider? Advice & discussion appreciated. I find both Windows and Desqview to be annoying, but I find Windows less annoying. The thing I really dont like about Desqview is that, on a high resolution monitor, it wont support text resolutions like 132x50 or 132x40. Windows (on a 386) on the other hand, will allow me to have several "DOS" windows open at once. Perhaps I'm just spoiled, I'v got a NeXT at the office! -- Lance Bledsoe Off: (512) 343-1111 Pencom Software, Inc. Fax (512) 343-9650 8716 Loop 360 N. Suite 300 UUCP: cs.utexas.edu!pensoft!lwb Austin, Texas 78759 UUNET: uunet!uudell!pensoft!lwb
stanton@lurch.stanford.edu (Scott Stanton) (05/06/91)
In article <22649@yunexus.YorkU.CA> rreiner@yunexus.YorkU.CA (Richard Reiner) writes:
In summary: DV/386 is superb at running multiple DOS applications and
managing their bad behaviour, as well as things like allowing
text-mode and graphics-mode programs to share the screen, and cutting
and pasting text between apps, and provides a rather nice but not too
elaborate API, but does not provide a GUI. Windows in 386 mode runs
DOS apps less well, but provides a nice pretty GUI and some nice
things at the API level, such as dynamic data exchange.
How does one get the API? Is there a document that lists the API
hooks for DesqView? The manual only listed enough to make DesqView
aware programs, but not anything really useful.
--Scott
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--Scott (stanton@interviews)bondc@spdcc.COM (Tezcatlipocateopixque) (05/07/91)
In article <1991May6.161739.6573@pensoft.uucp> lwb@pensoft.uucp (Lance Bledsoe) writes: >I find both Windows and Desqview to be annoying, but I find Windows >less annoying. It's a matter of taste, I guess. Desqview is unobtrusive, whereas Windows (GUIs in general) is not. >The thing I really dont like about Desqview is that, >on a high resolution monitor, it wont support text resolutions like >132x50 or 132x40. I'm reading this in 132x40 right now -- under Desqview. You're quite mistaken. >Windows (on a 386) on the other hand, will allow me >to have several "DOS" windows open at once. So will Desqview -- on a 386, 286 or even 88/86. Furthermore, it runs DOS operations concurrently with less chance of crashing and in my experience, runs them faster. Feel free to enjoy Windows. Like Jesus, it gives me the hives. -- "Are you saying that I am judging those who use defamatory language or make judgemental statements?" -- Jeff Shaevel
cotner@ronzoni.berkeley.edu (Carl F. Cotner) (05/07/91)
In article <7480@spdcc.SPDCC.COM> bondc@spdcc.COM (Tezcatlipocateopixque) writes: >In article <1991May6.161739.6573@pensoft.uucp> lwb@pensoft.uucp > (Lance Bledsoe) > >>The thing I really dont like about Desqview is that, >>on a high resolution monitor, it wont support text resolutions like >>132x50 or 132x40. > >I'm reading this in 132x40 right now -- under Desqview. You're quite >mistaken. > How? I asked this question on the net before, and no one seemed to think it was possible. I'd love to be able to do it myself, and so would many others, I bet. (I've even gotten a negative response from a Quarterdeck technician.) -- Carl Cotner cotner@math.berkeley.edu
dhinds@elaine18.Stanford.EDU (David Hinds) (05/07/91)
In article <7480@spdcc.SPDCC.COM> bondc@spdcc.COM (Tezcatlipocateopixque) writes: >In article <1991May6.161739.6573@pensoft.uucp> lwb@pensoft.uucp (Lance Bledsoe) > writes: >>The thing I really dont like about Desqview is that, >>on a high resolution monitor, it wont support text resolutions like >>132x50 or 132x40. > >I'm reading this in 132x40 right now -- under Desqview. You're quite >mistaken. How do you do that?!? This is a non-Desqview mode, supported the same way it supports SVGA modes, right? So, you can run one full-screen program at 132x40, but if you do any Desqview operation the screen gets replaced by a grey mask, right? As far as I know, this is the extent of 132-column support. What I would really like is a 100x60 mode (supported by my ATI card in graphics), but Desqview's graphics modes will only do 80x50. -David Hinds dhinds@cb-iris.stanford.edu
bodoh@cat7.cs.wisc.edu (Daniel Bodoh) (05/07/91)
In article <22649@yunexus.YorkU.CA> rreiner@yunexus.YorkU.CA (Richard Reiner) writes: >stone@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Glenn Stone) writes: > >>I have a 386-based IBM compatible with 8 megs of RAM on order and I'm >>thinking about how best to run it. I have read some about Desqview >>and Windows 3.0 but haven't used them. What are their relative advan- >>tages, and can they be used together? Are there other multitasker/ >>memory managers I should consider? Advice & discussion appreciated. [stuff deleted] > Windows in 386 mode runs >DOS apps less well, but provides a nice pretty GUI and some nice >things at the API level, such as dynamic data exchange. If you mean interprocess communication, DV also provides dynamic data exchange with mailboxes. I have used DV/386 for about 6 months now, and I find it absolutely great. Quarterdeck did it right - DV is much, much smaller than Windows and, for the serious computer user, has much more utility. If you want you PC to be a Mac, get Windows. If you want your PC to be a workstation, get DV. And when DV/X comes out, there will be no point in buying Windows anyway. Dan Bodoh
bear@bgsuvax.UUCP (Michael D. Bear) (05/07/91)
Following up on 132x40, it was mentioned that someone was reading this right not in 132x40. How do you do it???????? I have tried different ways to do so and found the only way that works is to make a full screen window and switch into 132x44. I am interested in telling desqview that it has 132x44 to work with, then I can have several windows on the screen at once. Whenever I pop desqview up over the 132x44 window, it paints the screen with the "curtain" as if it was a graphics screen. I am using an ATI VGA Wonder card. Mike -- Michael D. Bear bear@andy.bgsu.edu Computer Technician ..!osu-cis!bgsuvax!syrinx!root Bowling Green State University bear@bgusopie.bitnet (419) 372-2104
rreiner@yunexus.YorkU.CA (Richard Reiner) (05/07/91)
bodoh@cat7.cs.wisc.edu (Daniel Bodoh) writes: >If you mean interprocess communication, DV also provides dynamic data exchange >with mailboxes. Yes, I mean IPC, and I know that the DV API provides mailboxes; however, there are actually large numbers of Windows apps that *use* DDE (this is the Windows term for their IPC facility), whereas only a very few things, some of which I've written myself, use the DV mailboxes for anything. >I have used DV/386 for about 6 months now, and I find it absolutely great. >Quarterdeck did it right - DV is much, much smaller than Windows and, for the >serious computer user, has much more utility. I tend to agree. However, since one can run win /s under DV, there is no reason to have to choose. My usual working environment is DV, but for CorelDraw and (real soon now) WordPerfect for Windows, it is easy enough to start up Windows within DV. I wish DV would give us finer tuning control at the .DVP level, though: I'd like to be able automatically to tailor DV's screen saver behaviour, and system time-slicing and swapping characteristics, to the aplication mix currently running. I also wish the screen saver were properly mouse-aware.
derek@sun4dts.dts.ine.philips.nl (derek) (05/08/91)
cotner@ronzoni.berkeley.edu (Carl F. Cotner) writes: >In article <7480@spdcc.SPDCC.COM> bondc@spdcc.COM (Tezcatlipocateopixque) > writes: >>In article <1991May6.161739.6573@pensoft.uucp> lwb@pensoft.uucp >> (Lance Bledsoe) >> >>>The thing I really dont like about Desqview is that, >>>on a high resolution monitor, it wont support text resolutions like >>>132x50 or 132x40. >> >>I'm reading this in 132x40 right now -- under Desqview. You're quite >>mistaken. >> >How? I asked this question on the net before, and no one seemed >to think it was possible. I'd love to be able to do it myself, >and so would many others, I bet. (I've even gotten a negative >response from a Quarterdeck technician.) >-- >Carl Cotner >cotner@math.berkeley.edu This answer is video board specific, but I can do it with my ATI VIP card. I open a dos window full screen with graphic possiblities. In that window I issue the command that switches the display to the size I want. Note however, that tapping the {DESQ} (alt) key returns you to a size that DV can handle. Say that as MAY return you... These operations could always be put in macros. Best Regards, Derek Carr DEREK@DTS.INE.PHILIPS.NL Philips I&E TQV-5 Eindhoven, The Netherlands Standard Disclaimers apply.