[comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc] Cnvrt MS-DOS 5.0 from 3.5 to 5.25 HELP

juraschek@gmuvax.gmu.edu (06/18/91)

I acquired MS-DOS 5.0 at Egghead at their super bargain extravaganza.
My principle PC uses 3.5 diskettes, so that's the media I chose.

My secondary PC, however uses 5.25" diskettes.  I wanna break down the
3.5's into their equivalent 5.25's so I can upgrade the 5.25" machine
and know they'll be no problems.

Could some kind soul post the directories of the 5.25 version of the MS-DOS
5.0 upgrade pack so I can make such diskettes from my 3.5's?  (Or can someone
say FOR SURE that it doesn't really matter what the breakdown is - no
speculations, please.)

Muchas gracias, amigos.

-Dave

brigc@world.std.com (Brig C McCoy) (06/18/91)

In article <1991Jun18.092013.51422@gmuvax.gmu.edu> juraschek@gmuvax.gmu.edu writes:
>I acquired MS-DOS 5.0 at Egghead at their super bargain extravaganza.
>My principle PC uses 3.5 diskettes, so that's the media I chose.
>
>My secondary PC, however uses 5.25" diskettes.  I wanna break down the
>3.5's into their equivalent 5.25's so I can upgrade the 5.25" machine
>and know they'll be no problems.
>
>Could some kind soul post the directories of the 5.25 version of the MS-DOS
>5.0 upgrade pack so I can make such diskettes from my 3.5's?  (Or can someone
>say FOR SURE that it doesn't really matter what the breakdown is - no
>speculations, please.)
>
>Muchas gracias, amigos.
>
>-Dave

Not to rain on your parade, but ain't it illegal to copy commercial software?

...brig

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mcfarlan@author.ecn.purdue.edu (McFarlan) (06/19/91)

In article <1991Jun18.092013.51422@gmuvax.gmu.edu> juraschek@gmuvax.gmu.edu writes:
>I acquired MS-DOS 5.0 at Egghead at their super bargain extravaganza.
>My principle PC uses 3.5 diskettes, so that's the media I chose.
>
>My secondary PC, however uses 5.25" diskettes.  I wanna break down the
>3.5's into their equivalent 5.25's so I can upgrade the 5.25" machine
>and know they'll be no problems.
>
>Could some kind soul post the directories of the 5.25 version of the MS-DOS
>5.0 upgrade pack so I can make such diskettes from my 3.5's?  (Or can someone
>
>-Dave

Dave

The Dos diskettes and software is Copywritten material. 
What you are trying to do is illegal, isn't it?

Vernon

mig@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Meir) (06/19/91)

In article <1991Jun18.165023.18490@world.std.com> brigc@world.std.com (Brig C McCoy) writes:
>In article <1991Jun18.092013.51422@gmuvax.gmu.edu> juraschek@gmuvax.gmu.edu writes:
>>I acquired MS-DOS 5.0 at Egghead at their super bargain extravaganza.
>>My principle PC uses 3.5 diskettes, so that's the media I chose.
>>
>>My secondary PC, however uses 5.25" diskettes.  I wanna break down the
>>3.5's into their equivalent 5.25's so I can upgrade the 5.25" machine
>>and know they'll be no problems.
>>
>>Could some kind soul post the directories of the 5.25 version of the MS-DOS
>>5.0 upgrade pack so I can make such diskettes from my 3.5's?  (Or can someone
>>say FOR SURE that it doesn't really matter what the breakdown is - no
>>speculations, please.)
>>
>>Muchas gracias, amigos.
>>
>>-Dave
>
>Not to rain on your parade, but ain't it illegal to copy commercial software?
No!  But sometimes it's illegal to copy for use on more than one computer at a
time.  If he is only using one copy at a time, then his use is 100% legitimate.
Unless he is not the only one using his computer, he would have to make a REAL
effort to USE two copies of DOS at the SAME TIME (One for each hand?).
Besides, nobody will care, if it's for personal use.  And you should ALWAYS
make a backup, ESPECIALLY OF DOS!!!!

No; I didn't say you can sell your backups of DOS to others :-)

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rschmidt@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (roy schmidt) (06/19/91)

Licenses do vary, but it seems to me that for *operating systems* the
rule is one copy for one machine.  Borland allows their applications and
languages to be used on more than one machine (but one at a time) and
even MS has granted a similar privilege for WINDOWS 3.0 (but you have to
be holding their proof of license card in your teeth while typing.)  But
last I saw, MS-DOS was strictly a one-for-one deal.

Disclaimer: My copy of 5.0 is in the clutches of UPS, so I have not had
a chance to review the license with my l*wy*r.  I am not a l*wy*r.  I do
not work for Microsoft.  My son does not work for Microsoft, and he's
too young to be a l*wy*r.  Microsoft has lots of l*wy*rs.


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seitz@netcom.COM (Matthew Seitz) (06/19/91)

In article <1991Jun18.173750.27162@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> mig@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Meir) writes:
>In article <1991Jun18.165023.18490@world.std.com> brigc@world.std.com (Brig C McCoy) writes:
>>
>>Not to rain on your parade, but ain't it illegal to copy commercial software?
>No!  But sometimes it's illegal to copy for use on more than one computer at a
>time.  If he is only using one copy at a time, then his use is 100% legitimate.
>Unless he is not the only one using his computer, he would have to make a REAL
>effort to USE two copies of DOS at the SAME TIME (One for each hand?).
>Besides, nobody will care, if it's for personal use.  And you should ALWAYS
>make a backup, ESPECIALLY OF DOS!!!!
>
>No; I didn't say you can sell your backups of DOS to others :-)
>
Actually, this depends on your license agreement.  Some license agreements
restrict usage to one CPU period.  If you want to use the software at work
and at home, you have to buy two copies of the software.  However this is true
only if your license explicitly restricts this.

Without such an explicit restriction, it is OK to take your floppy disk from
home to work and use the program on both machines.

Somewhat ambiguous in my eyes is whether, in the absence of any explicit
restriction, you can install a copy on your work computer hard disk and on your
home computer hard disk.

Since this is moving away from IBM PC issues into general computer-legal issues,
we should probably continue this thread in another group.  Any idea which would
be appropriate?

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garlangr@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Mark T Garlanger) (06/19/91)

In article <1991Jun18.092013.51422@gmuvax.gmu.edu> juraschek@gmuvax.gmu.edu writes:
>I acquired MS-DOS 5.0 at Egghead at their super bargain extravaganza.
>My principle PC uses 3.5 diskettes, so that's the media I chose.
>My secondary PC, however uses 5.25" diskettes.  I wanna break down the
>3.5's into their equivalent 5.25's so I can upgrade the 5.25" machine
>and know they'll be no problems.
>Could some kind soul post the directories of the 5.25 version of the MS-DOS
>5.0 upgrade pack so I can make such diskettes from my 3.5's?  (Or can someone
>say FOR SURE that it doesn't really matter what the breakdown is - no
>speculations, please.)

So you want the net to help you do something illegal?  When you buy software,
it is only good for one computer.  If you want to have Dos 5.0
on your other computer you need to order another copy.

>
>Muchas gracias, amigos.
>
>-Dave

				Mark
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woan@nowhere (Ronald S Woan) (06/19/91)

In article <1991Jun18.173750.27162@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> mig@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Meir) writes:
>No!  But sometimes it's illegal to copy for use on more than one
>computer at a time.  If he is only using one copy at a time, then his
>use is 100% legitimate.  Unless he is not the only one using his
>computer, he would have to make a REAL effort to USE two copies of
>DOS at the SAME TIME (One for each hand?).  Besides, nobody will
>care, if it's for personal use.  And you should ALWAYS make a backup,
>ESPECIALLY OF DOS!!!!

Anyone check out the MS license specifically? A lot of software
stipulates that it can only be installed on one machine at a time, not
that just one copy would be in use at a time. Also, if you left your
primary machine on while using it on your secondary machine,
techincally one might argue that both copies are in use...

Anyway, be careful to check your licensing agreement before
proceeding.


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wct1@unix.cis.pitt.edu (William C Tom) (06/19/91)

According to the "Personal Computers" column in today's New York Times,
Microsoft specifies that each DOS 5.0 licence is for ONE machine only,
 i.e., not multiple machines per user.  The rationale given by MS is that
while application software conceivably may be moved from home 'puter to
notebook to office desktop, an operating system is likely to stay put
on one computer.  MS will sell additional licences without disks
or manuals for $79 list.  (Gee, what a bargain !)

ddj@zardoz.club.cc.cmu.edu (Doug DeJulio) (06/19/91)

In article <1991Jun18.165023.18490@world.std.com> brigc@world.std.com (Brig C McCoy) writes:
>>My secondary PC, however uses 5.25" diskettes.  I wanna break down the
>>3.5's into their equivalent 5.25's so I can upgrade the 5.25" machine
>>and know they'll be no problems.
>
>Not to rain on your parade, but ain't it illegal to copy commercial software?

Well, here's some stuff from the back of the MS-DOS 5 Upgrade box I've
got on my lap:

  Install easily.
    Whether you have one computer or one thousand to upgrade, MS-DOS
    version 5.0 Upgrade is the best choice for convenience, security and
    reliability.
    * Upgrade previous versions of DOS (version 2.11 or later) to MS-DOS
      operating system version 5.0
    * Installs quickly, even from a network, across different PC hardware
    * Is network-ready
    * Is supported directly by Microsoft, making it easy for your whole
      company to standardize on one version of DOS.

This whole thing leads me to belive that *if* you're licensed for a
copy of DOS for each machine you upgrade, you can use the upgrade as
many times you want on as many of your machines as you want.
-- 
Doug DeJulio
ddj@zarodz.club.cc.cmu.edu

act@softserver.canberra.edu.au (Andrew Turner) (06/19/91)

In article <1991Jun18.235255.7928@zardoz.club.cc.cmu.edu> ddj@zardoz.club.cc.cmu.edu (Doug DeJulio) writes:
>
>Well, here's some stuff from the back of the MS-DOS 5 Upgrade box I've
>got on my lap:
>
>  Install easily.
>    Whether you have one computer or one thousand to upgrade, MS-DOS
>    version 5.0 Upgrade is the best choice for convenience, security and
>    reliability.
>    * Upgrade previous versions of DOS (version 2.11 or later) to MS-DOS
>      operating system version 5.0
>    * Installs quickly, even from a network, across different PC hardware
>    * Is network-ready
>    * Is supported directly by Microsoft, making it easy for your whole
>      company to standardize on one version of DOS.
>
>This whole thing leads me to belive that *if* you're licensed for a
>copy of DOS for each machine you upgrade, you can use the upgrade as
>many times you want on as many of your machines as you want.

I hate hate to fill the bandwidth by adding to this thread but really some
people will believe anything. I suggest the following:

1. Read the plastic disk wrapper:
	ATTENTION! Use of the software program on the enclosed disks is
	subject to the trems of the Microsoft License Agreement printed on the
	License Card, in the multilingual License booklet, or in the user's
	guide. You should not open this packet until you have read the
	Microsoft License Agreement. By opening this packet, you signify that
	you have read the Microsoft License Agreement and accept its terms.
2. Read the License Agreement, which includes at 1. in many languages
   including Russian!!:
	1. GRANT OF LICENSE - Microsoft grants you the right to use one copy
 	   of the enclosed software program(the SOFTWARE") on a single
	   terminal connected to a single computer(i.e., with a single CPU).
	   You may not network the SOFTWARE or otherwise use it on more than
	   one computer or computer terminal at a time.
	4. DUAL MEDIA SOFTWARE - If the SOFTWARE package contains both 3-1/2"
	   and 5-1/4" disks, then you may use only one set(either the 3-1/2"
	   or 5-1/4") of the disks provided. You may not use the other disks
	   on another computer, or loan, rent, lease or transfer them to
	   another user except as part of a transfer or as other use
	   expressly permitted by this Microsoft License Agreement.

Paras 2., 3., & 5. further set this in concrete!!!!

The perverse are welcome to twist the above to justify their own needs but to
me it is quite clear!
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nyet@nntp-server.caltech.edu (n liu) (06/19/91)

ddj@zardoz.club.cc.cmu.edu (Doug DeJulio) writes:

>In article <1991Jun18.165023.18490@world.std.com> brigc@world.std.com (Brig C McCoy) writes:
>>>My secondary PC, however uses 5.25" diskettes.  I wanna break down the
>>>3.5's into their equivalent 5.25's so I can upgrade the 5.25" machine
>>>and know they'll be no problems.
>>
>>Not to rain on your parade, but ain't it illegal to copy commercial software?

>Well, here's some stuff from the back of the MS-DOS 5 Upgrade box I've
>got on my lap:
[etc etc]

Jesus Christ, give it a fucking rest or take it somewhere else.
If I had the original install disks, i'd attempt to answer the fucking
question, but i don't, so i decided to whine instead. Yes, using it on
two machines at once is illegal, and pirating software costs the
industry untold billions a year, is immoral, pornographic, and probably
communist and/or antiamerican. Every time a question like this comes up,
a veritable deluge of legal mental masturbation results and the "F" keys
on keyboards across the globe are subjected to another test of their
durability. How about adding a "Legal bullshit follows" to your subject
line so i can add it to my kill file.

Thank you for listening.
nye

P.S. followups to misc.legal and alt.flame and alt.bumblefuck
     (I read none of them)

ralphs@halcyon.ogi.edu (06/19/91)

act@softserver.canberra.edu.au (Andrew Turner) writes:

> 	1. GRANT OF LICENSE - Microsoft grants you the right to use one copy
>  	   of the enclosed software program(the SOFTWARE") on a single
> 	   terminal connected to a single computer(i.e., with a single CPU).
> 	   You may not network the SOFTWARE or otherwise use it on more than
> 	   one computer or computer terminal at a time.

Oh, great!  Does that mean our workstations (terminals) can't run
applications off the server?  Does that mean I violate copyright
when more than one user dials into one of my multi-line systems?

> The perverse are welcome to twist the above to justify their own needs but to
> me it is quite clear!

I feel that those who use DOS will treat this with the respect fostered
on past versions, and everyone will be happy.
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mikep@leo.unm.edu (Mike Prine CIRT) (06/19/91)

In article <1991Jun18.092013.51422@gmuvax.gmu.edu> juraschek@gmuvax.gmu.edu writes:
>I acquired MS-DOS 5.0 at Egghead at their super bargain extravaganza.
>My principle PC uses 3.5 diskettes, so that's the media I chose.
>
>My secondary PC, however uses 5.25" diskettes.  I wanna break down the
>3.5's into their equivalent 5.25's so I can upgrade the 5.25" machine
>and know they'll be no problems.
>
>Could some kind soul post the directories of the 5.25 version of the MS-DOS
>5.0 upgrade pack so I can make such diskettes from my 3.5's?  (Or can someone
>say FOR SURE that it doesn't really matter what the breakdown is - no
>speculations, please.)
>
>Muchas gracias, amigos.
>
>-Dave


Dave while I haven't seen the paperwork on this upgrade I suspect what you
are asking is illegal, not the copy part but the part about putting it on
another machines. DOS and most software upgrades are sold on a per station
basis, meaning you must buy one copy for each machine you intend to use the
software on. While Egghead may not be losing money on the upgrade offer they
give the sure aren't going to get rich solely on the basis of DOS 5.0 
upgrade kits they sell. Software vendors are starting to crack down hard on
institutions that fail to follow copyright laws. Schools have been hard hit
as the often seem to be the most flagrant violators. I'm sure a 5.24in version
of the upgrade kit is avaliable and I hope I misunderstood the purpose of your
query.

Later.
.

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juraschek@gmuvax.gmu.edu (06/19/91)

In article <1991Jun18.165023.18490@world.std.com>, brigc@world.std.com (Brig C McCoy) writes:
> Not to rain on your parade, but ain't it illegal to copy commercial software?
> 
> ...brig
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It is not illegal to make backup copies for your own use.
Furthermore, the MS-DOS license allows for multiple installations of the
software provided it is run on only one machine at a time.
I am in compliance with that restriction, so I violate no copyright.


Now, if I make copies to give to all my buddies, well then ...
 ... I'd expect to see the SPA really soon 8*)
-Dave
(P.s.  Yes there are some licenses that restrict you to purchasing a single
copy for each machine.  The MSDOS license allows for multiple copies - not
multiple simultaneous executions.
I am in full compliance with the MS-DOS 5.0 licensing restrictions.
You jumped the gun on this one, Brig.)

snow@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu (06/20/91)

In article <1991Jun18.220319.16309@en.ecn.purdue.edu>, garlangr@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Mark T Garlanger) writes:
> In article <1991Jun18.092013.51422@gmuvax.gmu.edu> juraschek@gmuvax.gmu.edu writes:
>>I acquired MS-DOS 5.0 at Egghead at their super bargain extravaganza.
>>My principle PC uses 3.5 diskettes, so that's the media I chose.
>>My secondary PC, however uses 5.25" diskettes.  I wanna break down the
>>3.5's into their equivalent 5.25's so I can upgrade the 5.25" machine
>>and know they'll be no problems.
> 
> So you want the net to help you do something illegal?  When you buy software,
> it is only good for one computer.  If you want to have Dos 5.0
> on your other computer you need to order another copy.

I think it's perfectly reasonable to want to make sure the software works
before buying it.  Especially if you already have a copy.  The key words
are "... and know they'll be no problems."  Returning software is a lot
harder than not having to buy it at all.

Isn't it kind of unkind to assume the worst of this man you've never met?

-ken
(waiting for delivery of my copy of DOS5, which I bought because I tried
out my friend's copy, and it worked fine)

cg108w3@ucsd.edu (Steve - Happy Hacker) (06/21/91)

--=}>> On 18 Jun 91 14:20:13 GMT, juraschek@gmuvax.gmu.edu said:

D> I acquired MS-DOS 5.0 at Egghead at their super bargain extravaganza.
D> My principle PC uses 3.5 diskettes, so that's the media I chose.

D> My secondary PC, however uses 5.25" diskettes.  I wanna break down the
D> 3.5's into their equivalent 5.25's so I can upgrade the 5.25" machine
D> and know they'll be no problems.

D> Could some kind soul post the directories of the 5.25 version of the MS-DOS
D> 5.0 upgrade pack so I can make such diskettes from my 3.5's?  (Or can someone
D> say FOR SURE that it doesn't really matter what the breakdown is - no
D> speculations, please.)

D> Muchas gracias, amigos.

D> -Dave

Hot Damn!  Over 20 Follow-Ups and NOT ONE answered Dave's question!
(I need an intelligent kill file that can detect Legal Drivel and
avoid it. :)

I ran into a similar problem when I tried to install the 3.5" version
on a machine with a 5.25" as A: and the 3.5" as B:.

Here's the scoop:
The important things are the boot sector info, the boot files
(the two hidden/read-only/system/top-secret files in C:\), and the
utilities.  If you can get these onto a hard disk, you're set.

Unlike the older dos versions, the utilities are not usable as the
come.  They are all compressed and renamed with the extension renamed
to underscore and two letters, but renaming them won't help.

To install it on my machine, I aborted the Setup after booting 5.0 and
ASSIGN'ed a=b, and carried on by running SETUP.EXE.  Later I found a
swell program called BOOT_B that writes a boot sector to A: that will
make the machine boot from B: and swap the A: and B: identifiers
automatically.  This does the trick very well.  If anyone needs it,
it's shareware so mail me a note..

If the machine you want to put it on has ONLY a 5.25" drive, then you
are in for a little more effort.  But it's not impossible (or terribly
difficult).  Here goes!

The easiest way to make a boot disk for 5.25" is to type 
FORMAT B: /4 /s 
on a machine running DOS-5 and with a 5.25" drive as B:.  If this is
not possible, then you will have to take some extra steps to make a
bootable 5.25" disk.

Ok, the boot part.  You will have to get a hold of a computer with
some way to transfer files between machines with both drive sizes.  A
modem or null modem cable, or anything that sends files should work.
(The data has to get there somehow, right?)  Then get a hold of a
shareware program called Teledisk from Symantec software.  It turns
entire disks into ordinary files that can be used (by Teledisk only)
to recreate the source disks verbatim, boot sector and all.  I give it
a thumbs up.  If you can't get Teledisk, find an equivalent of 'dd' on
Unix.  The MKS Toolkit has one.  If nothing else, use Norton's
Utilities to write the first raw 360K or so of Disk-1 out to a file.

The goal here is to get the BOOT portion of Disk-1 onto 360K format.
You will not be able to get all of what is on 3.5" disk, but we will
take care of the executable files later.

Ok, now you need to make a boot disk for the 5.25" machine.  You
didn't mention if it was a high or low density drive.  If it is a
high-density drive, things will be easier later because you can fit
all of the original files onto one disk.  If not, then you will have
to manually fill 360K at a time onto floppy.

In any case, write out the first 360K or so of Disk-1 onto the 5.25"
disk starting at SECTOR 0.  If you are using Norton, write it out to
Absolute Sector 0.  You are trying to write over the boot sector, so
you should get some warnings from some programs.  Smile smugly and
tell it to go on.  If you are using dd, just let it run until it gets
a disk error (from hitting the end of the disk).  I'm not sure if
Teledisk will argue with you, but you should be able to get it to at
least write out the first part of the file.  Really only the first few
tracks count, so if it wrote anything at all, try it out!

Hopefully, you now have a DOS-5 bootable 5.25" disk.  That's the first
part.  Boot it on the 5.25 machine and wait for it to come up with the
pretty blue Setup screen.  This is where you bail out (F3).  It should
put you back to the prompt on A:.  Now you are on your own.  (You did
back up that machine, right??  If not, power down and go watch Alf
instead. :)

I think FORMAT was in ready-to-run format, but I am not sure.  If it
ends in ._EX, then you will have to Expand it. (see below)

Now you get to format C: on the destination machine.  Be sure that you
booted off of the new DOS-5 disk, and you have the DOS-5 version of
format handy.  If all goes well, you should now be able to boot the
destination machine as DOS-5!  But, you don't have any of the DOS-5
utilities on there yet, so....

If you can, copy all the .EXE and .COM and whatever else is in the DOS
directory on the machine that is already running DOS-5.  This will
save you the trouble of manually expanding all these utilities on the
destination machine.  If not, you will have to decompress each of the
original DOS utilities yourself.

If you have to expand them, here is how:
Copy ALL the files from the three 3.5" disks however is convenient.
(Laplink, X-modem, writing to 5.25, doesn't matter..)  Then you should
have a mess of files on C: of the destination machine.  Most of them
will end in ._EX or ._CO or something similar.  There are a few normal
programs there, namely SETUP.EXE and EXPAND.EXE (if I remember
correctly).  EXPAND is the one we are interested in.  It turns the
programs like SUBST._EX into SUBST.EXE and decompresses them.

Painful as it may be, you will have to manually expand each of these
files into their respective COM or EXE selves.  I think the EXPAND
program will give help if you call it with no arguments.  It's pretty
simple.  Ok.. now you have all the decompressed files.  

When I was installing DOS-5, it was to go on only one machine, and the
machine that did have a 3.5" drive was running 3.3 and not to be
bothered.  SO, I had to decompress the utilities on the destination
machine.  Whatever works...

If all went well, you should be able to boot the new machine and start
setting things straight!  

Good luck to you!  Let me know if I have been unclear or wrong about
anything here.

I don't guarantee that it will work, but I do guarantee that you will
have to pull all of your files off of backup after you format. :)

-Steve

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ike@zds-ux.UUCP (John Eichenberger) (06/21/91)

In article <1991Jun18.092013.51422@gmuvax.gmu.edu> juraschek@gmuvax.gmu.edu writes:
> ....  I wanna break down the
>3.5's into their equivalent 5.25's so I can upgrade the 5.25" machine
>and know they'll be no problems.
>
>Could some kind soul ....
> .... so I can make such diskettes from my 3.5's?  

Avoiding the legal aspect for a moment, it is not even entirely possible
to put MS-DOS 5.0 on a smaller format of media than what you received it on.
This is because there is a binary file which contains a complete list
of every file, every volume label, etc. on the distribution diskettes.
Note that it is possible to convert the 360K distribution diskettes to the
720K format.

As for the legal aspect of copying the software, if the reason you need
to copy it is that you've gotten one copy for your one machine but drive
A: is not the correct format, then copying it so that you can install it
properly on your one machine should be legal, I think.  But even then you
could probably send your diskettes in for a even trade.

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matelgar@nmsu.edu (Marek Telgarsky) (06/24/91)

In article <1991Jun18.172626.9926@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> mcfarlan@author.ecn.purdue.edu (McFarlan) writes:


>>Could some kind soul post the directories of the 5.25 version of the MS-DOS
>>5.0 upgrade pack so I can make such diskettes from my 3.5's?  (Or can someone
>>
>>-Dave

>   Dave

>   The Dos diskettes and software is Copywritten material. 
>  What you are trying to do is illegal, isn't it?

You took the words right out of my mouth...
		Marek

ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Nur Iskandar Taib) (06/25/91)

>>>Could some kind soul post the directories of the 5.25 version of the MS-DOS
>>>5.0 upgrade pack so I can make such diskettes from my 3.5's?  (Or can someone


>>   The Dos diskettes and software is Copywritten material. 
>>  What you are trying to do is illegal, isn't it?

>You took the words right out of my mouth...
>		Marek



Well, it shouldn't be illegal, if the user
has paid for the 3 1/2" copy. If he owns a 
license, he can install it on one machine,
it doesn't really matter how it gets there. 
Besides, you can make backup copies onto any
media, right? Now here is what I would do: 
install it on a machine with a 3 1/2" drive,
make a bootable 5 1/4" diskette (the machine 
has both size drives), copy the contents of 
c:\DOS onto more diskettes, then wipe the 
copy off that machine. Next, boot off the 
floppy on the machine without a 3 1/2" drive,
then sys the hard drive. Then replace the
contents of the \DOS subdirectory with the
DOS 5 versions. 

This is probably the hard way. I recall 
someone else posting an easier way (I 
think installing it directly onto a 5 1/4"
floppy, which produces a bootable diskette).



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robf@mcs213j.cs.umr.edu (Rob Fugina) (06/25/91)

In article <1991Jun25.020553.17607@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Nur Iskandar Taib) writes:
>>>>Could some kind soul post the directories of the 5.25 version of the MS-DOS
>>>>5.0 upgrade pack so I can make such diskettes from my 3.5's?  (Or can someone
>
>Well, it shouldn't be illegal, if the user
>has paid for the 3 1/2" copy. If he owns a 
>license, he can install it on one machine,
>
>someone else posting an easier way (I 
>think installing it directly onto a 5 1/4"
>floppy, which produces a bootable diskette).

I post this information after seeing (and helping) a friend install Dos5
on his computer.  You don't need to boot from ANY of the 5.0 disks.  Just
copy all of the files to a subdirectory on your hard drive (NOT the
directory you want to install it into, i.e., NOT c:\dos), and run the
SETUP program from there.  If you have this person's problem of having the
wrong media type, us another computer to copy the files from the 3.5" disks
to some 5.25" disks, THEN copy them to the hard drive of the computer
receiving Dos5.  No problem!

Rob  robf@cs.umr.edu

feustel@netcom.COM (David Feustel) (06/26/91)

Once you've got a dos5 bootable diskette, you can move the files
around any way you want as long as they can be found via the path
statement (dosshell files probably need to be kept together).
-- 
David Feustel, 1930 Curdes Ave, Fort Wayne, IN 46805, (219) 482-9631
EMAIL: feustel@netcom.com  or feustel@cvax.ipfw.indiana.edu

I voted for Bush once.  As it's turning out, once was once too often.

ike@zds-ux.UUCP (John Eichenberger) (06/27/91)

In article <CG108W3.91Jun20184002@icogsci1.ucsd.edu> cg108w3@ucsd.edu (Steve - Happy Hacker) writes:

>Hot Damn!  Over 20 Follow-Ups and NOT ONE answered Dave's question!
>(I need an intelligent kill file that can detect Legal Drivel and
>avoid it. :)
>
>....
>
>To install it on my machine, I aborted the Setup after booting 5.0 and
>ASSIGN'ed a=b, and carried on by running SETUP.EXE.  Later ....

Actually, I *did* answer this question by stating that one cannot create a
360K formatted installation disk set from 720K masters due to the fact that 
there is a binary file (SETUP.INI) which contains the specifics as to which
files are contained on each diskette in the set.  I did forget to suggest that 
one can create a set of 1.2M installation diskettes.  Describing an 
alternate method for installing MS-DOS 5.0 is pointless.  Nobody asked 
that question.

Note, one does *not* boot Microsoft packaged product MS-DOS 5.0 distribution
diskettes.  They are not bootable.  Thus, to copy them to a 1.2M diskette
simply use the XCOPY command having booted your current version of MS-DOS.
You will then have to manually copy the volume labels to each of your
diskette copies.  By "copy the volume labels" I mean use the LABEL command
to create labels which match what the corresponding originals have.

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mcl9337@harpo.tamu.edu (LOWE, MARK CHRISTOPHER) (06/27/91)

In article <641@zds-ux.UUCP>, ike@zds-ux.UUCP (John Eichenberger) writes...
>You will then have to manually copy the volume labels to each of your
>diskette copies.  By "copy the volume labels" I mean use the LABEL command
>to create labels which match what the corresponding originals have.
           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Said labels being DISK      1, DISK      2, and DISK     3.

Make sure you have 6 spaces on each of those now.  I know about this label thing
because a guy where I work spent a couple hours trying to put his MS-DOS onto
1.2 and couldn't figure out why it kept asking him to insert disk 1 over and
over.  This was yesterday...

Anyway, he said it's probably something stupid.  I suggested the labels, and
sure enough... :-)  He felt stupid, alright!

Mark C. "Bro!" Lowe - KB5III

daveh@compnect.UUCP (Dave Hultberg) (06/29/91)

In article <1991Jun25.020553.17607@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>, ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Nur Iskandar Taib) writes:
> >>>Could some kind soul post the directories of the 5.25 version of the MS-DOS
> >>>5.0 upgrade pack so I can make such diskettes from my 3.5's?  (Or can someone
           <stuff delted>
> 
> This is probably the hard way. I recall 
> someone else posting an easier way (I 
> think installing it directly onto a 5 1/4"
> floppy, which produces a bootable diskette).
> 
There is a very easy way to get around this problem.  Copy the DOS
upgrade files into an empty directory on your hard drive.  CD to that
directory and run setup.  Remember to have a blank disk ready for your a drive.
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