redmond+@cs.cmu.edu (Redmond English) (06/25/91)
In article <1991Jun25.004245.22299@cs.utk.edu> lape@cs.utk.edu (Bryon S. Lape) writes: >[stuff deleted] >The Tandy 1000 line is the most incompatible for any IBM compatible >made today or yesterday, bare none. >[more stuff deleted] I would like to vote for the early model RM Nimbuses. These utterly daft machines had a peculiar Nimbus bios, an 80186 processor, and a built in serial port with a bell telephone plug!!! Bizarre! Only about half the norton utilities (version 4) would run, the rest just caused the system to hang! Dbase didn't work, windows didn't work etc. etc. You had to buy specially modified versions at inflated prices! Red/.
ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Nur Iskandar Taib) (06/26/91)
>>The Tandy 1000 line is the most incompatible for any IBM compatible >>made today or yesterday, bare none. >I would like to vote for the early model RM Nimbuses. These utterly How about those Sanyo MBC-55 thingies? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Iskandar Taib | The only thing worse than Peach ala Internet: NTAIB@AQUA.UCS.INDIANA.EDU | Frog is Frog ala Peach Bitnet: NTAIB@IUBACS ! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
millerje@handel.CS.ColoState.Edu (Jeff Miller) (06/26/91)
In article <1991Jun26.011811.11547@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Nur Iskandar Taib) writes: >>>The Tandy 1000 line is the most incompatible for any IBM compatible >>>made today or yesterday, bare none. > >>I would like to vote for the early model RM Nimbuses. These utterly > >How about those Sanyo MBC-55 thingies? > Lest we not forget the Leading Edge (Model D, I believe) _____________________________________________________________________________ | | | "NUKE THE UNBORN GAY WHALES!" | Jeff Miller | | - graffiti | millerje@handel.CS.ColoState.Edu | |_____________________________________________________________________________|
bchs1b@JANE.UH.EDU (Michael Benedik) (06/26/91)
In article <1991Jun26.011811.11547@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>, ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Nur Iskandar Taib) writes: >>>The Tandy 1000 line is the most incompatible for any IBM compatible >>>made today or yesterday, bare none. > >>I would like to vote for the early model RM Nimbuses. These utterly > >How about those Sanyo MBC-55 thingies? > > Mindset made a gorgeous graphics computer but it wouldn't run much of anything. However I think DEC should win the prize for the Rainbow, at least the early models. They sold a bunch, but even the disk drive was incompatible. The only thing they had in common was that they ran MS-DOS (at least their version of it). ---------------------------------------------------------- Michael Benedik Department of Biochemical and Biophysical Sciences University of Houston INTERNET: Benedik@UH.EDU BITNET: Benedik@UHOU __________________________________________________________
pss1@kepler.unh.edu (Paul S Secinaro) (06/26/91)
How about the Zenith Z-100? We have one lying around and it still has DOS 1.0 and single sided floppies on it (Though I'm told it runs CP/M-85 programs pretty well). -- Paul Secinaro | Synthetic Vision and Pattern Analysis Laboratory pss1@kepler.unh.edu | Department of Computer and Electrical Engineering p_secinaro@unhh.unh.edu | University of New Hampshire (603) 862-3287
chandoni@husc6.UUCP (John-Marc Chandonia,Biophysics,,34954) (06/27/91)
From article <15716@ccncsu.ColoState.EDU>, by millerje@handel.CS.ColoState.Edu (Jeff Miller): > In article <1991Jun26.011811.11547@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Nur Iskandar Taib) writes: >>>>The Tandy 1000 line is the most incompatible for any IBM compatible >>>>made today or yesterday, bare none. >> >>>I would like to vote for the early model RM Nimbuses. These utterly >> >>How about those Sanyo MBC-55 thingies? >> > > Lest we not forget the Leading Edge (Model D, I believe) Huh? I had one of these for 4 years, and never had any problems. The case was to small to put in a 386 motherboard (not to mention the integrated ports and such), but as an XT clone it never had any compatability problems! Or was that a smiley that just flew over my head??? JMC -- chandoni@husc9.harvard.edu | I will not yell fire in a crowded classroom John-Marc Chandonia | I will not yell fire in a crowded classroom Graduate Biophysics Program | I will not yell fire in a crowded classroom Harvard University | I will not yell fire ...
mivor@alchemy.ithaca.ny.us (Michael Vormwald) (06/27/91)
millerje@handel.CS.ColoState.Edu (Jeff Miller) writes: > In article <1991Jun26.011811.11547@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> ntaib@silver.ucs.i > >>>The Tandy 1000 line is the most incompatible for any IBM compatible > >>>made today or yesterday, bare none. > > > >>I would like to vote for the early model RM Nimbuses. These utterly > > > >How about those Sanyo MBC-55 thingies? > > > > Lest we not forget the Leading Edge (Model D, I believe) > ____________________________________________________________________________ > | > | "NUKE THE UNBORN GAY WHALES!" | Jeff Miller > | - graffiti | millerje@handel.CS.ColoState.Edu > |____________________________________________________________________________ I'm not sure where you'r coming from. I'm using a Leading Edge Model D, develop software, and have never found anything that wouldn't run properly on it.
ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Nur Iskandar Taib) (06/27/91)
>Mindset made a gorgeous graphics computer but it wouldn't run much of >anything. However I think DEC should win the prize for the Rainbow, at >least the early models. They sold a bunch, but even the disk drive >was incompatible. The only thing they had in common was that they >ran MS-DOS (at least their version of it). Remember that back in those days MS-DOS (was it really MS or didn't someone else write it then MS bought it?) was just another off-the-shelf generic operating system that was supposed to run on a variety of machines (pre- sumably 16-bit, running the 8088 and 8086 processors). So was the 8088 microprocessor. The only thing proprietary about the IBM PC was its BIOS. So its not too unusual that non-IBM compatibles (did the term "IBM Compatible really mean anything then? It was just another compu- ter.) ran MS-DOS back then, before it became synonymous with "PC". -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Iskandar Taib | The only thing worse than Peach ala Internet: NTAIB@AQUA.UCS.INDIANA.EDU | Frog is Frog ala Peach Bitnet: NTAIB@IUBACS ! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
chuck@umbc5.umbc.edu (Chuck Rickard; ACS (UGRAD)) (06/27/91)
In article <1991Jun26.135427.1531@husc3.harvard.edu> chandoni@husc6.UUCP (John-Marc Chandonia,Biophysics,,34954) writes: >> Lest we not forget the Leading Edge (Model D, I believe) > >Huh? I had one of these for 4 years, and never had any problems. >The case was to small to put in a 386 motherboard (not to mention >the integrated ports and such), but as an XT clone it never had >any compatability problems! I think it may have been the Model M (the one with the huge case!) that had the problems. They went to the smaller sized case in the Model D. -- Chuck Rickard (chuck@umbc5.umbc.edu)
vince@bcsaic.UUCP (Vince Skahan) (06/27/91)
>In article <1991Jun26.011811.11547@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>, ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Nur Iskandar Taib) writes: >>>>The Tandy 1000 line is the most incompatible for any IBM compatible >>>>made today or yesterday, bare none. I don't know what Tandy 1000 you're talking about because I've had a Tandy 1000SX for 5 years, my brother-in-law has had a Tandy1000SL and Tandy1000A for the same period, and my brother had a Tandy1000A for several years. We have never found any PC software that wouldn't run or that hung or that crashed...never. We have had one small problem with bad memory on one of the 1000A's that was a bitch (though eventually free) to get fixed. I've added memory, modems, mice, floppy drives, hard drives, etc. to them all with zero problems. Now if you're talking getting ripped off when you buy Tandy-sold add-ons (699 for 20MB hard card...please...) and the gruesome keyboard and the short card slots, they are inconveniences BUT NOT INCOMPATIBILITIES. You'd better define the work compatible before you start tossing flames around... -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Vince Skahan ARPA: vince@atc.boeing.com UUCP: uw-beaver!bcsaic!vince Don't worry 'Buddy Bear'. We'll have that tiny brain drained in no time. - Tigger
nyet@nntp-server.caltech.edu (n liu) (06/28/91)
chuck@umbc5.umbc.edu (Chuck Rickard; ACS (UGRAD)) writes: >In article <1991Jun26.135427.1531@husc3.harvard.edu> chandoni@husc6.UUCP (John-Marc Chandonia,Biophysics,,34954) writes: >>> Lest we not forget the Leading Edge (Model D, I believe) >>[etc etc] >I think it may have been the Model M (the one with the huge case!) that had >the problems. They went to the smaller sized case in the Model D. Nope. My dad still uses our old Model M - Everything runs on it just fine. As a matter of fact, they were generally much better quality than the model D's; they had Motorola parts which were a lot more reliable than the Diawoo (sp?) korean stuff, since Diawoo had quality control problems in the beginning. The only problem we've had with it is the CGA monitor's hsync went on the fritz and occasionally fails to sync when you start up the computer. A "mode 40" occasionally "kicks" it back in. It's not the card since i've tried others and they seem to work ok. We were going to sell it since my parents got a 386, but it works fine and my dad is having problems finding a reason to get rid of it. Hell, i might biff it and start up a bbs..
plim@hpsgwp.sgp.hp.com (Peter Lim) (06/28/91)
Anybody ever used the "Sirius PC Compatibles" ? I played with them in
my university lab. These are MS-DOS (version 1.25) machines equipped
with a "hi-res" monochrome graphic display (which is not hercules
compatible), sports an 8086 design and 800K floppy drives. The floppy
drive actually uses variable sector format.
How would that rate as the most incompatible PC ? :-)
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#include <standard_disclaimer.hpp>ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Nur Iskandar Taib) (06/28/91)
>fine. As a matter of fact, they were generally much better quality than >the model D's; they had Motorola parts which were a lot more reliable >than the Diawoo (sp?) korean stuff, since Diawoo had quality control i remember someone telling me that the "M" is for Mitsubishi, and the "D" is for Daewoo. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Iskandar Taib | The only thing worse than Peach ala Internet: NTAIB@AQUA.UCS.INDIANA.EDU | Frog is Frog ala Peach Bitnet: NTAIB@IUBACS ! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
nyet@nntp-server.caltech.edu (n liu) (06/30/91)
ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Nur Iskandar Taib) writes: >>fine. As a matter of fact, they were generally much better quality than >>the model D's; they had Motorola parts which were a lot more reliable >>than the Diawoo (sp?) korean stuff, since Diawoo had quality control >i remember someone telling me that the "M" >is for Mitsubishi, and the "D" is for Daewoo. Oops. I jumped the gun. Yes, its Mitsubishi. (Motorola, Mitsubishi what's the difference? :) Damn.