[net.ham-radio] Common carrier for remote control

wildstar@nmtvax.UUCP (12/26/85)

It seems I found an ideal location for placing in a 5000 foot Beverage 
receiveing antenna, the only problem being that it is a quarter mile 
away from my dorm, and that I cannot string coax across or above the street
directly adjacent.  Even if I could, there are a number of adjoining 
properities whose owners refuse to even hear about even any connections
whatsover, even IR beams, crossing thier property line.

I have an Advanced Class license, and I am primarily interested in working
80 and 20 meters on relatively low power, hence the tremendous possiblities
raised by such an extreme length antenna. The problem is that I need some
means of relaying by radio the control signals to tune a local receiver
hooked up to the antenna, but that I do not want to violate either repeater
regulations or cross-service regulations. For instance, suppose I use the
AM band at less that 100 milliwatts power, 10 foot antenna length, which
are the FCC's maximums for unlicensed operation; to relay control signals to
and resulting audio from the antenna site. Would I be violating cross-service
regulations due to the retransmission of amateur traffic on AM, even though
the power and antenna restrictions for citizen use are conserved?

If other bands in amateur service or common carrier are acceptable, or if
the strategy I outlined is acceptable, in that no rules ( especially part 97! )
are violated or even bent, I would like to know.  Please advise.

Andrew Jonathan Fine

hes@ecsvax.UUCP (Henry Schaffer) (12/27/85)

> 
> It seems I found an ideal location for placing in a 5000 foot Beverage 
> receiveing antenna, the only problem being that it is a quarter mile 
> away from my dorm, and that I cannot string coax across or above the street
> directly adjacent.  Even if I could, there are a number of adjoining 
> properities whose owners refuse to even hear about even any connections
> whatsover, even IR beams, crossing thier property line.
                  ^^^^^^^^
   I wouldn't consider this to be a "connection" of the sort a property owner
could prohibit (other than putting up an opaque "fence").  How would they
even know?  You certainly don't need the property owners' permission to spray
radio waves above their property - so why would you need permission for IR?
> 
> Andrew Jonathan Fine

--henry schaffer

wjc@ll-vlsi (Bill Chiarchiaro) (12/30/85)

Why not use an amateur band for the link?  The MIT Radio Society (W1MX) has
been considering a project similar to yours.  W1MX is a fantastic transmitting
location for 160 meters, but the noise level is so high in the city that you
can hardly hear anything.

We've been thinking about erecting a Beverage (or two) at MIT Lincoln Laboor-
atory's Millstone Hill site in Westford, MA.  This site is a quiet, wooded
location about 15 miles northwest of Cambridge.  Our plan would be to upconvert
the entire 160 band to either 440 MHz or 1260 MHz and link it back to
Cambridge.  With this plan, no remote control (except possibly for antenna
switching) would be required.  If the the 160 band is FM'ed onto the link,
id'ing could be done by low-level AM (thereby avoiding annoyance for the
operator at the receiving end).  I believe this approach is entirely within
the spirit of the FCC's amateur rules, and would be classified as auxiliary
operation.

An interesting by-product of this scheme is that anyone who could hear the link
could, by building his own down-converter, take advantage of the quiet antenna.

Bill
N1CPK