rlarson2@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Robert S larson) (03/22/91)
I seem to remember seeing posts a few months ago that an archive program called ice was nothing but a renamed copy of lharc. Does my memory serve me right? Or is ice legitamate?e
mcastle@mcs213e.cs.umr.edu (Mike Castle {Nexus}) (03/23/91)
In article <1991Mar22.063635.11498@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> rlarson2@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Robert S larson) writes: > > I seem to remember seeing posts a few months ago that an archive >program called ice was nothing but a renamed copy of lharc. >Does my memory serve me right? Or is ice legitamate?e The following is a collection of postings (to Compuserve, I guess, I don't know for sure) about this incident. It can be found as lh-fraud.arc in pd1:<msdos.arc-lbr> on simtel-20. There is some other stuff about pkzip and pak in there, but I didn't bother separating the wheat from the chaff. LONG! #: 11257 S10/DataCompression [P] 28-Jul-89 04:12:20 Sb: #LHARC 1.14 (ICE) Fm: Bob Tolz 70475,1071 To: K.OKUBO 74100,2565 (X) I have received an upload on my BBS of something purporting to be LHARC 1.14, which has been renamed to ICE. Since I haven't seen it here on CIS, I was wondering about its authenticity. Can you vouch for it? If so, I suppose that the reason for the name change was the grant of the ARC trademark registration for SEA. Bob There are 2 Replies. #: 11272 S10/DataCompression [P] 28-Jul-89 10:41:42 Sb: #11257-#LHARC 1.14 (ICE) Fm: Mike Sax 75470,1403 To: Bob Tolz 70475,1071 (X) I have the same file here in Belgium. I've asked Irv if he had the file (since he allways gets the new LHARC version first) but I haven't had an answer yet. I've uploaded the file on Compuserve, and sent Connie the following message: --------------------------------------------------------------------------I previously sent you a message about my LHarc 1.14 upload. When I had a closer look at the files, I noticed that the file size of the 'ICE' program is exactly the same as LHarc 1.13, so anyone with a hex file editor could modify the existing LHarc 1.13 program and create a "new version". Also, in the doc's, every occurency of 'LHARC' was replaced by ' ICE'. (Leading space included, even at the beginning of a new line.) So would you please check with Irv Hoff (76701,117) or K.OKUBO (76327,3115) to see if this is a real version ? Sorry for the inconvenience, \\Mike\\ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------I think the 'ICE' LHarc is false, but I'm not sure. \\Mike\\ There are 2 Replies. #: 11275 S10/DataCompression [P] 28-Jul-89 13:17:11 Sb: #11272-#LHARC 1.14 (ICE) Fm: K.OKUBO 74100,2565 To: Mike Sax 75470,1403 (X) Mike, Sorry without enclosing \\, on this key board backslashes are interpreted as Yen mark,=Japanese currency. Looks strange. I never heard of the new version. If I could get a new release from Yoshi, I usually send it to Irv, with newly revised points in telop file and revising the manual of course. What is the date of ICE. The naming of new version will not be LHarc but something without arc but with LH on it. Rather strange name? Kenjirou P.S. Thanks for the word wrapping preventions. There is 1 Reply. #: 11284 S10/DataCompression [P] 28-Jul-89 14:34:24 Sb: #11275-#LHARC 1.14 (ICE) Fm: Irv Hoff 76701,117 To: K.OKUBO 74100,2565 I was going to leave you an EASYplex about "ICE V1.14" but see it's all on Lib 10 here, out in the open now. You will want to download PAK20. It should be available on IBMNET after about 8-9 am, Japan time. Faster than LHarc, makes files about the same size. Not so fast as PKZIP v1.0 as makes two passes each file instead of one, like PKZIP. There is 1 Reply. #: 11299 S10/DataCompression [P] 28-Jul-89 21:43:35 Sb: #11284-#LHARC 1.14 (ICE) Fm: Mike Sax 75470,1403 To: Irv Hoff 76701,117 (X) I've made a difference file between LHarc 1.13c and 1.14: LHarc 1.13c LHice 1.14 ----------- 000003AD: 61 72 63 arc 69 63 65 ice 000003BA: 33 3 34 4 000005FD: 2E . B0 0 0000089B: 61 72 63 arc 69 63 65 ice 000008A8: 33 3 34 4 00000917: 4C 41 52 43 LARC 2D 49 43 45 -ICE 00001CD5: 2E . B0 0 00006722: 41 52 43 ARC 49 43 45 ICE 0000672C: 41 52 43 ARC 49 43 45 ICE 00006776: 6C 68 61 72 63 lharc 4C 48 49 43 45 LHICE 00006780: 6C 68 61 72 63 lharc 4C 48 49 43 45 LHICE 000068E2: 45 78 74 72 61 63 Extrac 43 6F 6E 76 65 72 Conver 00006AB6: 41 52 43 ARC 49 43 45 ICE 00006AD5: 41 52 43 ARC 49 43 45 ICE 00006ADA: 4C 5A 48 LZH 49 43 45 ICE 00006AFA: 6F o DB [ 00006D81: 61 72 63 arc 69 63 65 ice 00006D88: 33 63 3c 34 20 4 00006DA1: 61 72 63 arc 69 63 65 ice 00006DB1: 33 63 3c 34 20 4 00006E31: 35 5 37 7 00006E33: 33 3 31 1 00006E34: 31 1 35 5 00006ED6: 4C 48 61 72 63 LHarc 20 20 49 43 45 ICE 00007274: 4C 41 52 43 LARC 2D 49 43 45 -ICE >>>From 000072F2 until 0000738D the following text: ---(LHarc 1.13c)-------------------------------------------------------- You may copy or distribute without any donation to me. Nfty-Serve PFF There are 2 Replies. #: 11301 S10/DataCompression [P] 28-Jul-89 21:45:18 Sb: #11299-LHARC 1.14 (ICE) Fm: Mike Sax 75470,1403 To: Mike Sax 75470,1403 (X) The rest of my (long) difference file message: (See the User's Manual for detailed descriptions.) ASCII-pcs pcs ---(LHice 1.14)--------------------------------------------------------- This program used to be called LHARC. It defaults to Archiving an .ICE but will unArchive an .LZH file, but you must specify that it is a .LZH 00007543: 4C 5A LZ 49 43 IC No code changes, and the file appears to have been edited with a hex editor like the one in the Norton Utilities. Well, I guess this version of LHarc wasn't released by Yoshi after all. \\Mike\\ #: 11306 S10/DataCompression [P] 28-Jul-89 22:27:11 Sb: #11299-#LHARC 1.14 (ICE) Fm: Irv Hoff 76701,117 To: Mike Sax 75470,1403 (X) I think that guarantees this "ICE" program is nothing but an illegal and altered copy of a free program. Thanks very much for your message, which proves (as far as I am concerned) this is an illegal program that should be immediately and permanently banned from any legitimate BBS. I hope you can pass the word to your fellow Sysops in Europe. I can't speak for the Sysops on IBMNET, but I'm willing to bet you will never see that program on CompuServe! I'll alert all the other Sysops to erase the program should they ever have it uploaded. I don't understand this at all, myself. It was already a free program... There is 1 Reply. #: 11308 S10/DataCompression [P] 28-Jul-89 23:59:42 Sb: #11306-#LHARC 1.14 (ICE) Fm: Mike Sax 75470,1403 To: Irv Hoff 76701,117 (X) I will notify my fellow Sysops in Europe. But I don't know if we can really stop this. Although it's really hard to give a criminal his way, I think (if Yoshi approves), maybe we should just let it be. After all, ICE isn't such a bad name (maybe Bob can check if it's a trademark or something). And if we kill this illegal release, it would create confusion. So, actually (although it's a rather tough moral decision), I think we should treat the 1.14 release as if it were an offical one. But Yoshi decides. (Maybe he can build some change-checking code in 1.15). \\Mike\\ There is 1 Reply. #: 11309 S10/DataCompression [P] 29-Jul-89 00:04:58 Sb: #11308-#LHARC 1.14 (ICE) Fm: Irv Hoff 76701,117 To: Mike Sax 75470,1403 (X) Your attitude in this is entirely different from any I have run across in the USA when somebody flagrantly steals somebody else's work by simply making a few changes with a program like Norton's NU. I'm very disappointed in your cavalier approach to this, as though "it really doesn't matter." I suspect you would have a different opinion if somebody decided they didn't really like the name "MAD101" and decided to change it to DOG102.... or somesuch name they arbitrarily picked. There are 2 Replies. #: 11311 S10/DataCompression [P] 29-Jul-89 00:21:51 Sb: #11309-LHARC 1.14 (ICE) Fm: Mike Sax 75470,1403 To: Irv Hoff 76701,117 (X) No! I didn't mean it that way!!! The only thing I wanted to say is that we should ask Yoshi, if he wants to rename his program to ICE. HE is the author, and HE should decide. Sorry if I didn't make myself clear, \\Mike\\ #: 11316 S10/DataCompression [P] 29-Jul-89 04:12:26 Sb: #11309-#LHARC 1.14 (ICE) Fm: Mike Sax 75470,1403 To: Irv Hoff 76701,117 (X) Irv, I put the following message in Enet.Sysop, the European FIDO Sysop Area. This should keep the LH114.COM file from adding more confusion. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Message #8376 "Enet Sysop" Date: 28-Jul-89 23:54 From: Mike Sax To: All Subj: LH114.COM, ICE - IMPORTANT !!!!!! An archive named LH114.COM has been found on several BBSes. This is supposed to be a new version of the LHarc program which is supposed to be renamed to ICE. THIS IS NOT AN OFFICIAL UPDATE FROM YOSHI. IT IS AN ATTEMPT TO CAUSE CONFUSION BY SOME LOW DIRT WHO JUST USED A HEX FILE EDITOR TO CHANGE LHARC INTO LHICE. PLEASE DELETE THIS ARCHIVE FROM YOUR BBS !!!!!!!! The current version of LHarc is 1.13, any 1.14 version is invalid. I suppose Yoshi will name the next version 1.15 or something higher to avoid confusion with this invalid release. At present, the LHarc program is still called LHarc, no name change. So please help avoid confusion and delete LH114.COM from your BBS!!! Thanks, \\Mike\\ --- QuickBBS v2.04 * Origin: FunBoard's standard Flame Device = NUL (2:513/14) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Once again: You totally misundersood me about the ICE archive. Of course, I think modifying some one else's program is one of the lowest things a person can do in computing. And I certainly didn't mean to say that we should distribute the false archive.(The thought that any body would think I would approve the distribution of a illegal version horrifies me!!) It should be stopped at all prices. What I meant was If Yoshi is going to change the name of LHarc he could consider naming it ICE. That's all! Nothing more! \\Mike\\ There is 1 Reply. #: 11324 S10/DataCompression [P] 29-Jul-89 11:15:42 Sb: #11316-#LHARC 1.14 (ICE) Fm: Irv Hoff 76701,117 To: Mike Sax 75470,1403 (X) Thanks very much for forwarding a copy of your message to other Sysops who might be distributing that fake program called LHICE. By the way you may have cause some unintentional confusion as the current version of LHarc is LH113C.EXE. (You left off the 'C' which is pretty important, under the circumstances.) You might please put that message on the new IBMBSS forum - that's where a lot of BBS Sysops hang out, now - very few names that are common that forum show up here on this Sec 10. The information will be of particular interest/value to them. Suggest you consider uploading it to Sec 0, which I assume most of them monitor. (New uploads.) Picked off your MAD 2.0, sounds very good. I'll put it on my BBS in a few minutes after I get to play with it a bit first. I ran off some quick tests using PAK v2.0, LHarc v1.13c and PKZIP v1.0 (beta) and stuck the results on here. Rather interesting. PKZIP was invariably the fastest and the smallest as well. On shorter executable (.exe or .com) files, LHarc seems to often be smaller. In general PAK 2.0 is so close to PKZIP v1.0 on size, it's scary. (When integrated over a fairly large variety of programs.) It's not as fast, though. I agree, 'ICE' would have been an IDEAL name for Yoshi, and whoever dreamed that one up was quite clever. However, Kenjirou Okubo indicates that although Yoshi is seriously considering dropping the 'arc' portion of LHARC, that in any case he would keep the LH portion. That he may or may not then add something to replace the 'arc' portion. (For myself, I would encourage him to just go with "LH" as the full name, as that allows the version number to easily be included. He's been using 3 and even 4 characters for the version number (such as 113c) so just plain 'LH' would be great. Gus has been using just two, such as PAK15, PAK16, PAK20, etc. Perhaps the primary thing I don't like about PKZIP/PKUNZIP is merely the nuisance in typing the name (let alone the nuisance of having two separate programs where "all the rest" ??) have only one pgm to remember with LHarc not even needing an extra program to make SFX files... There is 1 Reply. #: 11330 S10/DataCompression [P] 29-Jul-89 12:05:39 Sb: #11324-#LHARC 1.14 (ICE) Fm: Mike Sax 75470,1403 To: Irv Hoff 76701,117 (X) I agree, "LH" is the best name for this program: It's easy to type, it fits the Compuserve file system and it's 'not really a name change', so LH looks good. Are you going to convert everything to ZIP now, on your BBS ? I wouldn't write off LHarc. Yoshi must be working real hard to get LHarc speed to ZIP level. I just like LHarc more. It's a simple program, without useless features, it's small and it's free! \\Mike\\ There is 1 Reply. #: 11336 S10/DataCompression [P] 29-Jul-89 12:45:22 Sb: #11330-#LHARC 1.14 (ICE) Fm: Irv Hoff 76701,117 To: Mike Sax 75470,1403 (X) I'll convert everthing within 12 hours (if it only takes that!) of whenever PKWARE officially releases PKZIP v1.0 yes. I don't care what compression program I use, really, as long as it's (1) popular and (2) saves the user time in downloading files. I was really happy with LHarc as it is very easy to use, has all the options I ever wanted and (best of all) it's free. However, there is a lot going for PKZIP v1.0 now. It makes smaller files in typically 62% of the time. And unpacks about 3 times faster. Paint me fickle - I prefer to have only one type of archive file, but can quickly change that from one type to another, by just typing two characters: XC and that kicks in the XCHANGE V1.3 program via a bat file that checks all download directories automatically. It would be fascinating of course to know what IBMNET would offer if it were "that simple" to change from one to another... there will no doubt very soon be a free version of "unarchive new .ZIP files" available. That will automatically alleviate people who would otherwise complain BBS operators were forcing them to buy PKZIP. PAK20 is amazingly close to PKZIP all around, though. Just a little slower and just a little larger files. I'm not sure how much impact that will have on the scene - or even how much impact it would have if "slight faster and slightly smaller" than PZKIP. It's not so speculation is of little value, I guess. I still sort of liken PAK to Chrysler trying to catch General Motors (PKZIP). There is 1 Reply. #: 11338 S10/DataCompression [P] 29-Jul-89 12:49:33 Sb: #11336-#LHARC 1.14 (ICE) Fm: Mike Sax 75470,1403 To: Irv Hoff 76701,117 (X) New archive format for IBMNET: Considering it's very difficult to convert and all files are in ARC format, PAK seems like a very attractive program to use with IBMNET. \\Mike\\ PS: I have the 'Enet.sysop' message here and I'll upload it in a minute on IBMBBS and put it in a message in area 0. There is 1 Reply. #: 11340 S10/DataCompression [P] 29-Jul-89 13:01:06 Sb: #11338-LHARC 1.14 (ICE) Fm: Irv Hoff 76701,117 To: Mike Sax 75470,1403 Curious why you might pick PAK20 over PKZ100, for example? Actually things are moving so fast, it would be tough to attempt to pick "just one" and then start to accept nothing else for the next 6-12 months. This system is not at all comparable to a microcomputer BBS where the Sysop can make such changes literally "overnight." #: 11282 S10/DataCompression [P] 28-Jul-89 13:58:46 Sb: #11272-LHARC 1.14 (ICE) Fm: Irv Hoff 76701,117 To: Mike Sax 75470,1403 (X) I've replied on EASYplex that it sounds like a fraud, to me... #: 11280 S10/DataCompression [P] 28-Jul-89 13:41:46 Sb: #11257-LHARC 1.14 (ICE) Fm: Irv Hoff 76701,117 To: Bob Tolz 70475,1071 (X) Will look forward to seeing what Kenjirou Okubo has for you. I knew Yoshi was hard at work on a new routine, but had not heard he was anywhere close to actually releasing such a program to the public. I got a message similar to the one you just typed, on EASYplex, from an European who said the ICE v1.14 had been uloaded to his system, also. Either Yoshi is working super-quickly or somebody else is making unauthorized changes and passing it all around as a new program. (In fact, having read your message here first, I thought the EASYplex message was from YOU, until I went to answer it, as the contents were almost identical.) (PKZ100B.EXE is apparently all over Europe already, also.) ICE would be an ideal name for it, however. Since he already uses "Freezing," for the actual compression name. He also was reputed to be considering a name change in deference to Thom Henderson's (SEA) wishes. Would really run some people in circles if ICE v1.14, PAK v2.0 and PKZIP v1.0 were all realeased within 3-4 days of each other. Gus says PAK v2.0 is ready for release and last word (quite recent) was that PKZIP v1.0 would be released "end of July." -- Mike Castle (Nexus) S087891@UMRVMA.UMR.EDU (preferred) | XEDIT: Emacs mcastle@mcs213k.cs.umr.edu (unix mail-YEACH!)| on a REAL Life is like a clock: You can work constantly, and be right | operating all the time, or not work at all, and be right twice a day. | system. :->
rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) (03/24/91)
In article <1991Mar22.063635.11498@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> rlarson2@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Robert S larson) writes: > > I seem to remember seeing posts a few months ago that an archive >program called ice was nothing but a renamed copy of lharc. >Does my memory serve me right? Or is ice legitamate?e Ice is a cosmetic hack of LHarc. Instead of the "."s and "o"s it uses some special IBM graphics characters, etc. Get the new LHARC version 2.11 instead. It's about as fast as PKZIP and it compresses much better.
mlord@bwdls58.bnr.ca (Mark Lord) (03/27/91)
In article <1991Mar22.063635.11498@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> rlarson2@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Robert S larson) writes:
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This reportedly was a bogus version, although it seemed to work properly
and was not harmful to one's system. There are now newer versions of lharc
available anyway, so ice can likely be scrapped without tears.
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