[net.ham-radio] Pioneer CTF900 Click

pmbs@nvuxh.UUCP (P.BILODEAU) (01/10/86)

I have a Pioneer CTF900 Cassette Player that has developed an annoying
click in the output to my amplifier.  It doesn't matter whether the
tape has anything recorded on it or not, so I am tending to shy away
from the record portion of the circuitry.  The beast is so complex that
before I go too far and wished I hadn't, I thought that I would poll
the net to see if anyone has had a static click appear on their machine,
and if they found or knew the fix.  (The click seems to be at random 
intervals and affects both channels).

Thanks for your help and if I stumble across the solution I will query
the net to see if anyone else needs it.

Paul Bilodeau
Bell Communications Research 
NVC-2X229
331 Newman Springs Road
Red Bank, NJ  07701
201-758-5397

IAIPS-ACIPS@USC-ISI.ARPA (01/15/86)

Paul --

It's kinda hard to diagnose something without an opportunity
to deal with it "hands-on"  - but, in addition, more information
on symptoms would be needed before even trying to suggest something.
Perhaps the several clarification questions may help point you to
a smaller area. Knowing the answers to the questions may not provide
any additonal help to distant-diagnosers, but here goes:

    a.  You say the click is random, and on both channels;
        but is it simultaneously heard on both channels when
        occuring? This may help determine whether it is an
        externally radiated source or a common internal problem,
        like a power supply which would affect both audio channels
        at the same time - or some other problem (mechanical or
        whatever) which may affect each channel in a different
        random way.

    b.  I assume, from the wording of your message, that it only 
        occurs on playback - but, does it happen only when the
        tape is in motion - or does the clicking occur when the
        amplifier is in a quiescent state with no input signal
        from the playback head? This may differentiate between
        a mechanical/electronic tape mechanism problem, and a pure
        amplifier problem. Try grounding the playback head/input
        to the playback amp to see if the problem is definitely
        being induced/caused in the playback amp itself.
 
    c.  Is the clicking at the tape amp output terminals a function
        of playback volume; indicating a problem before or after
        the gain pot.

    d.  Does the recorder use a common amplifier for both record
        and playback. Have you definitely ruled out the record
        amplifier; i.e., does it click on cassettes recorded on
        other machines.

    e.  Is the noise a definite sharp click which may indicate
        mechanical sources; or is it a softer "pop" with a
        rise/decay which may imply an electronic problem (faulty
        capacitor), or have a scratchy noise which may imply
        friction or static discharges?

    f.  Are you sure it's coming from the tape output, and
        not being introduced at the amplifier's input?. Have
        you tried disconnecting any inputs to the recorder
        so as to break any potential noise loop conditions?

    g.  Does the noise also appear at the headphone output (if
        there is one?

    h.  On an outside chance, have you cleaned the heads and
        demagnetized lately. Cassette heads are notorious
        "oxide scrapers". I have a TASCAM 122 which is supposed        "oxide scrapers". I have a TASCAM 122 which is supposed
        to be a good semi-pro machine, and the manual recommends
        cleaning after every day's use or every few hours.
        And I can attest to that after losing the high end during
        mastering session three hours into the day.
 
    i.  Did you try moving the set to another part of the house;
        or a different location (i.e. different ac power source).
        Does your unit need to be grounded? Is it part of a
        more extensively wired system. Assuming it was OK before,
        what changes were made to the system recently, or other
        areas of the house (furnace? new refrigerator etc?)
 
Now, I'm starting to grab at straws. But I'd isolate the unit from
whatever system it's connected to; determine whether the source 
is before or after the gain control; whether its a function of
tape motion - and go from there. 

Please keep us advised on what you found out.

73,

George, W1TQS/4

jhs@mitre-bedford.ARPA (01/16/86)

I seem to recall periodic zaps due to static buildup on the tape on one of my
tape decks.  Cleaning the heads and guides might help.  Increasing the
humidity in the room is another possibility.  Dunno what else it might be
unless a nearby radar is sweeping past you very rapidly!  Good luck!

						-John S., W3IKG