feustel@netcom.COM (David Feustel) (06/14/91)
Now that I've got your attention, the problem is that Windows cannot find any of my non MS programs when I attempt to invoke them via the program manager. I've spent some time trying to get hold of MS to ask about this, but I can't get through and the $$$ are adding up. All of these programs start properly under PCDOS 3.3. Is it possible that MS didn't test dos 5.0 with windows?!!! -- David Feustel, 1930 Curdes Ave, Fort Wayne, IN 46805, (219) 482-9631 EMAIL: feustel@netcom.com or feustel@cvax.ipfw.indiana.edu
Robert_Salesas@mindlink.bc.ca (Robert Salesas) (06/14/91)
The installation process (or the manual) says that under some systems and some circumstance, DOS 5.0 will re-assign drive letters around. If this is the case, then obviously your program manager groups won't work. Try this. Click on an icon of a DOS program _once_, then select "properties" from the menu. Check the path that is written in the edit box. Now use the "browse" button to see if the application is where the previous line says it is. If it isn't then that's your problem. Just reassign all the icons. Rob -- \--------------------------------------------------------------------/ \ Robert Salesas + Usenet: Robert_Salesas@MINDLINK.bc.ca / \ Eschalon Development Inc. + CIS: 76625,1320 BYTE: newdawn / \--------------------------------------------------------------------/
mstr@vipunen.hut.fi (Markus Strand) (06/14/91)
In article <1991Jun13.235553.24042@netcom.COM> feustel@netcom.COM (David Feustel) writes: >Now that I've got your attention, the problem is that Windows cannot >find any of my non MS programs when I attempt to invoke them via the >program manager. I've spent some time trying to get hold of MS to ask >about this, but I can't get through and the $$$ are adding up. All of >these programs start properly under PCDOS 3.3. Is it possible that MS >didn't test dos 5.0 with windows?!!! That's not true, you must have some other problem. I have had no problems with DOS 5 and Win3 or any other program. Markus Strand
jhorigan@cook.berkeley.edu (John W. Horigan) (06/14/91)
In article <1991Jun13.235553.24042@netcom.COM> feustel@netcom.COM (David Feustel) writes: >Now that I've got your attention, the problem is that Windows cannot >find any of my non MS programs when I attempt to invoke them via the >program manager. I've spent some time trying to get hold of MS to ask >about this, but I can't get through and the $$$ are adding up. All of >these programs start properly under PCDOS 3.3. Is it possible that MS >didn't test dos 5.0 with windows?!!! >-- >David Feustel, 1930 Curdes Ave, Fort Wayne, IN 46805, (219) 482-9631 >EMAIL: feustel@netcom.com or feustel@cvax.ipfw.indiana.edu Did you repartition the hard drive during installation? When I did I saved about 10meg in wasted space but I had to change all D: references to C: in all the .INI files and in Program Manager's group files (the latter done tediously, one icon at a time. Maybe those Mac guys are right.) When you make these changes you'll also have to rebind the icons to your non-Windows programs. Microsoft should provide a way of invisibly binding icons to non-Windows files. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ John Horigan jhorigan@cook.berkeley.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------
oneel@heawk1.gsfc.nasa.gov ( Bruce Oneel ) (06/14/91)
In article <1991Jun13.235553.24042@netcom.COM> feustel@netcom.COM (David Feustel) writes:
Now that I've got your attention, the problem is that Windows cannot
find any of my non MS programs when I attempt to invoke them via the
program manager. I've spent some time trying to get hold of MS to ask
about this, but I can't get through and the $$$ are adding up. All of
these programs start properly under PCDOS 3.3. Is it possible that MS
didn't test dos 5.0 with windows?!!!
--
David Feustel, 1930 Curdes Ave, Fort Wayne, IN 46805, (219) 482-9631
EMAIL: feustel@netcom.com or feustel@cvax.ipfw.indiana.edu
Well, something went wrong. Do you mean that windows can't find non
MS windows programs that you've installed as icons in the program
manager? I don't have that problem. TPW worked fine before and after
the 5.0 upgrade. So does everything else I tried. Maybe you could
describe your symptoms more?
bruce
--
Bruce O'Neel oneel@heasfs.gsfc.nasa.gov
NASA/GSFC/STX/Code 664feustel@netcom.COM (David Feustel) (06/14/91)
I didn't repartition the drive, but I did add a scsi controller with one disk and I also, now that you ask, deleted the last partition on the first disk because that partition was so small. Note that win works well under dos 3.3. There is some problem with dos5 that screws up win 3. -- David Feustel, 1930 Curdes Ave, Fort Wayne, IN 46805, (219) 482-9631 EMAIL: feustel@netcom.com or feustel@cvax.ipfw.indiana.edu
timr@gssc.UUCP (Tim Roberts) (06/14/91)
In article <1991Jun13.235553.24042@netcom.COM> feustel@netcom.COM (David Feustel) writes: >Now that I've got your attention, the problem is that Windows cannot >find any of my non MS programs when I attempt to invoke them via the >program manager. I've spent some time trying to get hold of MS to ask >about this, but I can't get through and the $$$ are adding up. All of >these programs start properly under PCDOS 3.3. Is it possible that MS >didn't test dos 5.0 with windows?!!! Sit down, take a deep breath, and be more specific. Windows works just fine under DOS 5.0 for everyone in our building who has tried it, with one exception: the DOS 5.0 EMM386 prevents Standard mode. However, all my icons came up just fine after the upgrade. What are the symptoms? Did the icons disappear, or do the old icons just not work any more? Did you run out of disk space? Are you talking about non-Windows apps? If so, are you using a PIF and could your COMMAND.COM have moved to a different directory? -- timr@gssc.gss.com Tim N Roberts, CCP Graphic Software Systems Beaverton, OR This is a very long palindrome. .emordnilap gnol yrev a si sihT
lev@slced1.nswses.navy.mil (Lloyd E Vancil) (06/14/91)
In article <1991Jun13.235553.24042@netcom.COM> feustel@netcom.COM (David Feustel) writes: >Now that I've got your attention, the problem is that Windows cannot >find any of my non MS programs when I attempt to invoke them via the >program manager. I've spent some time trying to get hold of MS to ask >about this, but I can't get through and the $$$ are adding up. All of >these programs start properly under PCDOS 3.3. Is it possible that MS >didn't test dos 5.0 with windows?!!! >-- >David Feustel, 1930 Curdes Ave, Fort Wayne, IN 46805, (219) 482-9631 >EMAIL: feustel@netcom.com or feustel@cvax.ipfw.indiana.edu Yesterday we had a MS traveling road show here. The lady had a compaq slt386 running win3 and dos 5.0 it all worked good for her even if she did not know the difference between extended/expanded ram.... I asked her about the conflicts between MSDOS and the older Pheonix BIOS. She said she had "heard they got around it." |-[ Bah! IF YOU ARE RUNNING A 286 WITH AN OLDER VERSION OF THE PHEONIX BIOS YOU CAN HAVE ALL SORTS OF WIERD PROBLEMS. ex. WIN.INI disappears (goes to 0 bytes) after editing it with SYSEDIT. ANY attempt to recreate it, windows copy, dos copy, rename, and copy all report successful but destination is 0 bytes. THIS WAS CONFLICT WITH PHEONIX AND COMPAQ's MSDOS 3.31 ON RETURNING TO DOS 3.3.0 THE PROBLEMS WENT AWAY. During my fight with this BS, I managed to get through to MS tech support The tech there had seen my problem before -- I must'a been lucky ;-) -- recommended that I go back to 3.3.0 and warned me that I might have probelms with "future versions of MSDOS" --This was 4 days prior to the 5.0 announcement........... -- | suned1!lev@elroy.JPL.Nasa.Gov | * S.T.A.R.S.! . + o | | lev@suned1.nswses.navy.mil | The Revolution has begun! . + | | sun!suntzu!suned1!lev | My Opinions are Mine mine mine hahahah!|
feustel@netcom.COM (David Feustel) (06/15/91)
My problem is that if I boot msdos 5.0 (from floppy) none of the non-windows programs in my program manager window will start (system says they can't be found). If I boot pcdos 3.3 (from floppy) everything works as expected. -- David Feustel, 1930 Curdes Ave, Fort Wayne, IN 46805, (219) 482-9631 EMAIL: feustel@netcom.com or feustel@cvax.ipfw.indiana.edu
nyet@nntp-server.caltech.edu (n liu) (06/15/91)
lev@slced1.nswses.navy.mil (Lloyd E Vancil) writes: >In article <1991Jun13.235553.24042@netcom.COM> feustel@netcom.COM (David Feustel) writes: >>Now that I've got your attention, the problem is that Windows cannot >>find any of my non MS programs when I attempt to invoke them via the >>program manager. I've spent some time trying to get hold of MS to ask >>about this, but I can't get through and the $$$ are adding up. All of >>these programs start properly under PCDOS 3.3. Is it possible that MS >>didn't test dos 5.0 with windows?!!! Hrm. I've seen something similar happen on my friends 486 with dos4.01. Essentially, we made sure the "Properties" pointed to the proper .pif, .exe, or .com, and then double clicked on the icon. Bam. Can't find the dos app error. He since fixed it, but i forgot how. The point being that it was not dos5.0 and you should look to other solutions. Personally, i've had NO problems with dos5.0 (beta) except for having to run setver for random games. . nye
gillham@andrews.edu (Andrew Gillham) (06/16/91)
In article <1991Jun13.235553.24042@netcom.COM> feustel@netcom.COM (David Feustel) writes: >Now that I've got your attention, the problem is that Windows cannot >find any of my non MS programs when I attempt to invoke them via the >program manager. I've spent some time trying to get hold of MS to ask >about this, but I can't get through and the $$$ are adding up. All of >these programs start properly under PCDOS 3.3. Is it possible that MS >didn't test dos 5.0 with windows?!!! >-- >David Feustel, 1930 Curdes Ave, Fort Wayne, IN 46805, (219) 482-9631 >EMAIL: feustel@netcom.com or feustel@cvax.ipfw.indiana.edu What about your configuration? (how do you have it setup?) Have you tried setting the version down to 3.3? -Andrew -- ===================================================================== Andrew Gillham ****** Andrews University ****** (gillham@andrews.edu) I would've added a cool .signature, but I already mailed this letter.
feustel@netcom.COM (David Feustel) (06/16/91)
I tried setting the version of win.com to 3.3, but that had no effect. I also tried rebooting with a dos 3.3 floppy and windows worked properly, finding and executing the programs invoked. -- David Feustel, 1930 Curdes Ave, Fort Wayne, IN 46805, (219) 482-9631 EMAIL: feustel@netcom.com or feustel@cvax.ipfw.indiana.edu
Robert_Salesas@mindlink.bc.ca (Robert Salesas) (06/16/91)
Are the programs you're trying to strat on a network or on your local drives? If they're on a network, you might want to contact LANTASTIC and see if they have an upgrade to the software. Rob -- \--------------------------------------------------------------------/ \ Robert Salesas + Usenet: Robert_Salesas@MINDLINK.bc.ca / \ Eschalon Development Inc. + CIS: 76625,1320 BYTE: newdawn / \--------------------------------------------------------------------/
lro@melb.bull.oz.au (Liam Routt) (06/17/91)
feustel@netcom.COM (David Feustel) writes: >Is it possible that MS >didn't test dos 5.0 with windows?!!! >-- >David Feustel, 1930 Curdes Ave, Fort Wayne, IN 46805, (219) 482-9631 >EMAIL: feustel@netcom.com or feustel@cvax.ipfw.indiana.edu No. Microsoft conducted one of the largest beta tests ever for MS-DOS 5.0 - around 7000 sites world-wide for around 18 months. I am _sure_ that they tested it with Windows, as they talked about it at the Developer's Forum here in Melbourne Australia just prior to the release. I do not know the solution to your particular problem, as I have not actually used DOS 5.0 yet, but I am sure that there is one, and they know what they are talking about. Liam Routt "Murder by Pirates is Good!" Senior Software Engineer - The Princess Bride Bull Information Sytems Melbourne Australia PS I was not a beta tester for Microsoft!
rxcob@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Owen Baker) (06/17/91)
feustel@netcom.COM (David Feustel) writes: >Now that I've got your attention, the problem is that Windows cannot >find any of my non MS programs when I attempt to invoke them via the >program manager. I've spent some time trying to get hold of MS to ask >about this, but I can't get through and the $$$ are adding up. All of >these programs start properly under PCDOS 3.3. Is it possible that MS >didn't test dos 5.0 with windows?!!! What a stupid comment to make! As Ive seen nobody else complain about this and I have had no problems with DOS 5.00 and Windows 3, I suggest you start by reading the manuals (if you have them??). Apologies if this is a bit harsh but I object to articles that attempt to grab your attention with this sort of subject matter. +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Owen Baker | | odb@bodoni.csu.rmit.oz.au RMIT Novell - BODONI/ODB | | CSU, RMIT, Melbourne, Vic. Australia. Telephone (61) (3) 660-2038 | +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
hedrick@athos.rutgers.edu (Charles Hedrick) (06/17/91)
DOS 5.0 advertises that it is particularly useful with Windows 3.0. I've had no problem with the combination. I've tried both the windows and non-windows versions of kermit, and a couple of other DOS applications, but certainly have not made an exhaustive test. The only thing I found different between DOS 3.2 and 5.0 was that suddenly the setup I was using for QEMM386 (the memory manager supplied with Desqview 386) causes Windows 3.0 to bomb. For some reason (lost in the dim reaches of history) I was invoking qemm with the arguments "ram rom ext=1500". Removing the ext=1500 makes Windows 3.0 work correctly. Running the version of himem.sys that came with windows 3.0 before qemm also made the problem go away (but not the version of himem.sys that came with DOS 5.0), though that's not a very good approach. I had no problems with Windows 3.0 when using the software recommended by Microsoft, which is the himem.sys and emm386.exe that came with DOS 5.0.
jcmorris@mwunix.mitre.org (Joe Morris) (06/17/91)
In a recent posting feustel@netcom.COM (David Feustel) writes: >Now that I've got your attention, the problem is that Windows cannot >find any of my non MS programs when I attempt to invoke them via the >program manager. I've spent some time trying to get hold of MS to ask >about this, but I can't get through and the $$$ are adding up. All of >these programs start properly under PCDOS 3.3. Is it possible that MS >didn't test dos 5.0 with windows?!!! I've been watching this thread and just realized that I've seen the symptoms while trying to track down a nasty interaction between Windows and (non-Windows) comm programs running in a DOS window. You'll get the symptoms you described ("unable to find program" or whatever the error message text is) if you run out of file handles. (I saw it because Windows shattered and returned to DOS without closing files.) Check the files=nnn line in CONFIG.SYS to make sure you've got a minimum of 30 (per the Windows manual) plus whatever your other programs are using. Joe Morris
feustel@netcom.COM (David Feustel) (06/17/91)
mstr@vipunen.hut.fi (Markus Strand) writes: >In article <1991Jun13.235553.24042@netcom.COM> feustel@netcom.COM (David Feustel) writes: >>Now that I've got your attention, the problem is that Windows cannot >>find any of my non MS programs when I attempt to invoke them via the >>program manager. I've spent some time trying to get hold of MS to ask >>about this, but I can't get through and the $$$ are adding up. All of >>these programs start properly under PCDOS 3.3. Is it possible that MS >>didn't test dos 5.0 with windows?!!! >That's not true, you must have some other problem. I have had no >problems with DOS 5 and Win3 or any other program. Which of the above statements that I wrote is not true? -- David Feustel, 1930 Curdes Ave, Fort Wayne, IN 46805, (219) 482-9631 EMAIL: feustel@netcom.com or feustel@cvax.ipfw.indiana.edu
feustel@netcom.COM (David Feustel) (06/17/91)
Since I made the original posting, I've discovered two more details:1) I cannot even start a program from the file manager by clicking on an exe-type file (same error message - can't find program). Lantastic doesn't start up properly NET ATTACH/VERBOSE command fails to attach and reports no error. -- David Feustel, 1930 Curdes Ave, Fort Wayne, IN 46805, (219) 482-9631 EMAIL: feustel@netcom.com or feustel@cvax.ipfw.indiana.edu
feustel@netcom.COM (David Feustel) (06/17/91)
You're Welcome. -- David Feustel, 1930 Curdes Ave, Fort Wayne, IN 46805, (219) 482-9631 EMAIL: feustel@netcom.com or feustel@cvax.ipfw.indiana.edu
feustel@netcom.COM (David Feustel) (06/18/91)
Thanks. You may have just won a prize. Stay tuned. -- David Feustel, 1930 Curdes Ave, Fort Wayne, IN 46805, (219) 482-9631 EMAIL: feustel@netcom.com or feustel@cvax.ipfw.indiana.edu
feustel@netcom.COM (David Feustel) (06/18/91)
Morris has correctly diagnosed the problem I was having. The dos installation program set the FILES parameter =10. Windows needs more. Setting FILES=50 cured my system of its windows problems. Thanks to all who were trying to help me figure this out. -- David Feustel, 1930 Curdes Ave, Fort Wayne, IN 46805, (219) 482-9631 EMAIL: feustel@netcom.com or feustel@cvax.ipfw.indiana.edu
poffen@sj.ate.slb.com (Russ Poffenberger) (06/18/91)
In article <1991Jun13.235553.24042@netcom.COM> feustel@netcom.COM (David Feustel) writes: >Now that I've got your attention, the problem is that Windows cannot >find any of my non MS programs when I attempt to invoke them via the >program manager. I've spent some time trying to get hold of MS to ask >about this, but I can't get through and the $$$ are adding up. All of >these programs start properly under PCDOS 3.3. Is it possible that MS >didn't test dos 5.0 with windows?!!! Check your paths. On my machine for example, where DOS 3.30 put my third floppy drive as drive "C:", DOS 5.0 places it after all hard disk partitions (In this case, as drive "E:"). This caused all my HD partitions to move up by one. My promary boot partition used to be "D:" under 3.30, and is now "C:" under 5.0, so I have to go to the "properties" selection under the "File" menu in the program manager to fix all the paths. Russ Poffenberger DOMAIN: poffen@sj.ate.slb.com Schlumberger Technologies UUCP: {uunet,decwrl,amdahl}!sjsca4!poffen 1601 Technology Drive CIS: 72401,276 San Jose, Ca. 95110 (408)437-5254
smsmith@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Stephen M Smith) (06/18/91)
jcmorris@mwunix.mitre.org (Joe Morris) writes: > >You'll get >the symptoms you described ("unable to find program" or whatever the >error message text is) if you run out of file handles. (I saw it >because Windows shattered and returned to DOS without closing files.) > >Check the files=nnn line in CONFIG.SYS to make sure you've got a minimum >of 30 (per the Windows manual) plus whatever your other programs are >using. Brilliant! I should have thought of that too, because 2 weeks ago I was running Windows in standard mode under Desqview and once Windows was up and running Desqview could no longer open any more windows because it said it couldn't find the application's configuration file. I changed my files from 20 to 25 and that took care of the problem. Try it, you'll like it. Stephen M. Smith \ + / <smsmith@hpuxa. \+++++/ " #*&<-[89s]*(k#$@-_=//a2$]'+=.(2_&*%>,,@ ircc.ohio-state. \ + / {7%*@,..":27g)-=,#*:.#,/6&1*.4-,l@#9:-) " edu> \ + / BTW, WYSInaWYG \ + / --witty.saying.ARC
mstr@vipunen.hut.fi (Markus Strand) (06/18/91)
In article <1991Jun17.141032.1580@netcom.COM> feustel@netcom.COM (David Feustel) writes: >mstr@vipunen.hut.fi (Markus Strand) writes: > >>In article <1991Jun13.235553.24042@netcom.COM> feustel@netcom.COM (David Feustel) writes: >>>Now that I've got your attention, the problem is that Windows cannot >>>find any of my non MS programs when I attempt to invoke them via the >>>program manager. I've spent some time trying to get hold of MS to ask >>>about this, but I can't get through and the $$$ are adding up. All of >>>these programs start properly under PCDOS 3.3. Is it possible that MS >>>didn't test dos 5.0 with windows?!!! > > >>That's not true, you must have some other problem. I have had no >>problems with DOS 5 and Win3 or any other program. > >Which of the above statements that I wrote is not true? >-- >David Feustel, 1930 Curdes Ave, Fort Wayne, IN 46805, (219) 482-9631 >EMAIL: feustel@netcom.com or feustel@cvax.ipfw.indiana.edu The " Subject: Windows USELESS with MSDOS 5.0!!! " is not true.... :) Markus
bxw@ccadfa.adfa.oz.au (Brad Willcott) (06/18/91)
feustel@netcom.COM (David Feustel) writes: >Since I made the original posting, I've discovered two more details:1) >I cannot even start a program from the file manager by clicking on an >exe-type file (same error message - can't find program). >Lantastic doesn't start up properly NET ATTACH/VERBOSE command fails >to attach and reports no error. Well David, I think that it is about time you explained yourself a bit better. I've been using a beta test version of MS-DOS 5.00 and WIN3 on a 286 640K system for about three months and have had NO problems. In fact, I've noticed a performance improvement in WIN3. After the installation of 5.00, I backed everything up onto tape, and repartitioned/reformated the hard drive. - What is your hardware/network environment? - Are the 'missing' programs on your local hard disk or on a network drive? - WHY are you booting from a floppy diskette anyway??? If you are serious about solving this problem, then e-mail me and lets end this thread before it gets out of hand! -- Brad Willcott, ACSnet: bxw@ccadfa.cc.adfa.oz Computing Services, Internet: bxw@ccadfa.cc.adfa.oz.au Australian Defence Force Academy, UUCP:!uunet!munnari.oz.au!ccadfa.oz!bxw Northcott Dr. Campbell ACT Australia 2600 +61 6 268 8584 +61 6 268 8150 (Fax)
wmah@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Wayne Mah) (06/25/91)
laughner@darwin.cc.nd.edu (Tom Laughner) writes: > Windows MSDOS 5.0 > > In article <1991Jun13.235553.24042@netcom.COM> feustel@netcom.COM (David Feus > >Now that I've got your attention, the problem is that Windows cannot > >find any of my non MS programs when I attempt to invoke them via the > >program manager. I've spent some time trying to get hold of MS to ask > >about this, but I can't get through and the $$$ are adding up. All of > >these programs start properly under PCDOS 3.3. Is it possible that MS > >didn't test dos 5.0 with windows?!!! > >-- > I've been using DOS 5.0 with Windows 3.0 along with DOS apps and > > **having views on these things, anyway. > > > :Jim Mann jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.co > :Stratus Computer > : > : Not since Cromwell's troops, their puritan sensibilities offended by beau > : went around smashing decorative art in churches has there been an act > : of folly comparable to the abandonment and destruction of Forbes Field, > : the Pirates' home for generations. > : -- George F. Will, from Men at Work: The Craft of Baseball > > > -- > > Dan S. > > > Faith Brown (comedienne), Nicholas Courtney, Bob Some of the older programs may not recognize DOS 5.0 and refuse to run because when they execute they could be checking for the DOS version. Try putting device=c:\dos\setver.exe in your config.sys and see if that works any better. I just installed my copy of DOS 5.0 two days ago and haven 't run into any problems yet with it. Of course, that doesn't help you, but at least you know it can be done. Wayne Mah wmah@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca Edmonton Remote Systems: Serving Northern Alberta since 1982
jesse@gumby.Altos.COM (Jesse Chisholm AAC-RjesseD) (06/26/91)
In article <1991Jun13.235553.24042@netcom.COM> feustel@netcom.COM (David Feustel) writes: >Now that I've got your attention, the problem is that Windows cannot >find any of my non MS programs when I attempt to invoke them via the >program manager. I've spent some time trying to get hold of MS to ask >about this, but I can't get through and the $$$ are adding up. All of >these programs start properly under PCDOS 3.3. Is it possible that MS >didn't test dos 5.0 with windows?!!! I, also, am using MS-DOS 5.0 and Windows 3.0. To run a DOS app, create a PIF file for it and then use it. There should be no problem. If the application does some strange things with memory, then Windows may kill it off, but most run just fine. -- || Jesse Chisholm | 137 East Fremont Avenue, #49 || || jesse@Altos86.Altos.COM | Sunnyvale, California || || jesse@Gumby.Altos.COM | U.S.A. 94087-2501 || || Tel INT + 1-408-432-6200x4810 | Fax INT + 1-408-434-0273 ||
poffen@sj.ate.slb.com (Russ Poffenberger) (06/27/91)
In article <4956@gumby.Altos.COM> jesse@gumby.Altos.COM (Jesse Chisholm AAC-RjesseD) writes: >In article <1991Jun13.235553.24042@netcom.COM> feustel@netcom.COM (David Feustel) writes: >>Now that I've got your attention, the problem is that Windows cannot >>find any of my non MS programs when I attempt to invoke them via the >>program manager. I've spent some time trying to get hold of MS to ask >>about this, but I can't get through and the $$$ are adding up. All of >>these programs start properly under PCDOS 3.3. Is it possible that MS >>didn't test dos 5.0 with windows?!!! > >I, also, am using MS-DOS 5.0 and Windows 3.0. To run a DOS app, create >a PIF file for it and then use it. There should be no problem. >If the application does some strange things with memory, then Windows >may kill it off, but most run just fine. > Make sure that you have enough "FILES" specified in you config.sys. 30 should do. Russ Poffenberger DOMAIN: poffen@sj.ate.slb.com Schlumberger Technologies UUCP: {uunet,decwrl,amdahl}!sjsca4!poffen 1601 Technology Drive CIS: 72401,276 San Jose, Ca. 95110 (408)437-5254