[net.ham-radio] Orphaned Response

ecn-ec:wn9nbt@pur-ee.UUCP (08/11/83)

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ecn-ec!wn9nbt    Jul 12 10:20:00 1983

There is more to scanners than listening to cops.  An inexpensive
scanner can be used to monitor several ham bands at the cost of
only one receiver.  
By the way, as soon as someone gets their hands on one of the new
Regency programable scanners I'd be most interested in seeing 
comments and/or evaluations on it.....Dave Chasey -- WN9NBT

chris@hplvle.UUCP (chris) (01/15/85)

 Sorry to be so long in replying, but the route from notes to me had
 been constipated for over a month......
 I have been usin the TAPR board for about a year, and like it and its
 documentation so much, I bought another (no, not the company). The GLB
 initially had several poor design problems ( cannot talk and listen at the 
 same time) though I understand this problem has been worked upon for 
 present/future revisions. Other options include VADCG (vancouver club)
 boards, and TRS-80 software versions (no HDLC chip), which may be 
 worth considering. I believe the reason TAPR gets most press will be
 obvious when you get the kit: absolutely first class design, accessable
 to the "bearded experimenter", great documentation, good modem design,
 flexibility in every feature, and plenty of features in software and hardware.
 I am sold on the TAPR kit, a great job for a non-profit club activity.
 An off shoot version is also available built and tested from AEA for about
 $500.00, and I think TAPR will build for you for a price.
 Present and future plans include coast-to-coast digital VHF/UHF links,
 ongoing 6 meter meteor scatter tests, level 3 (ISO OSI model) software
 design and development (including a write-off contest between the datagram
 vs virtual circuit factions). Its a great way to combine computers and
 ham radio, and there's lots of work to be done in this new mode.

				- 73's, chris (WD5IBS)
				hpfcla!hplvla!chris
				Hewlett-Packard LID
				PO Box 301
				Loveland, Colo 80537

chris@hplvla.UUCP (chris) (03/29/85)

  If you have access to the British journal "Wireless World", I believe
  you will find a 2 or 3 part series about a home 1.6 Ghz satellite
  receiver system described, sometime in the last several years. I am
  sorry I have no more specific information, but I remember photocopying
  the series, which I have since lost.....Good Luck....Chris

ron@hpfcmt.UUCP (ron) (04/16/85)

Re: Navy TTY sigs and news.

I haven't tried anything like this but if your goal is to decrypt the
news from the fleetsat you'd get a better news dump from any of your local
radio stations even if you listened for only 2 minutes.

The exercise is interesting but the content isn't.

Ron Miller
(An ex-swabbie)
H-P
Ft. Collins Systems Div

at :... ihnp4!hpfcla!ron-m

caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) (04/20/85)

)Re: Navy TTY sigs and news.
)
)I haven't tried anything like this but if your goal is to decrypt the
)news from the fleetsat you'd get a better news dump from any of your local
)radio stations even if you listened for only 2 minutes.
)
)The exercise is interesting but the content isn't.

There used to be news and WX at 170 Hz reverse shift 100 wpm on
6425 2690 8457 4334 (freqs approximate) sent by the coast guard.
Interesting copy if you want to know all about the ionosphere and
Alaska WX.

Haven't tried these freqs for several years so don't know if they are
still in use.
-- 
Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX	..!tektronix!reed!omen!caf
Omen Technology Inc 17505-V NW Sauvie IS RD Portland OR 97231
Voice: 503-621-3406	Modem: 503-621-3746

chris@hplvla.UUCP (chris) (05/06/85)

Well, I cannot answer for your feelings of being burned, but there is
something which everyone must remember about TAPR: they are NOT in business!
TAPR is a nonprofit R&D corporation, and they all have other jobs, with 
the phone secretary being the only paid employee. Their interest in making
the TNC's is strictly to promote packet radio, ham radio, and in this they
have been diligent and successful. Ham radio will grow because TAPR has done
what the commercial radio manufacturers will not or cannot do: produce first
class products for a decent price, forming a bridge between the radio and
the computer which most hobbyists can afford. When they sold the rights to
Heathkit and AEA on the TNC 1 design, it was for a strictly nominal ammount.

Now, as the progress in packet makes a less expensive form of TNC available,
more people yet can afford the mode, and TAPR had lots of money tied up in
the remaining kits. As a naive buyer, would you prefer to send your dollars 
to an unknown outfit in Tucson or to Heathkit? Well, its my guess that after
Heathkit came out with a $299 kit with cabinet, few TAPR TNCs sold at the
old price, and TAPR had to clear out its inventory. All the "bearded
experimenters" who were able to take the plunge already had their TNC's 
(I own 3) and the more cautious users preferred the bigger name of Heath.

TAPR will be spending more time yet developing 9600 baud modem boards, and
possibly even 220 MHz RF decks for high speed packet, boosting both the
computer-ham radio link and the use of the 220 band. I have lots of respect
for those guys, both technically and personally, for continuing their
efforts in an environment which would probably dishearten and tire me, 
especially after I already spent 8 hours at my regular job, and 4 years
developing first class equipment for marginally grateful ham community.

				-chris, WD5IBS
				hpfcla!hplvla!chris

dick@hpfcmt.UUCP (dick) (05/09/85)

In the May issue of "73" magazine I saw an ad for a microphone/earphone
combination for use with HTs.  It used a press to talk switch and the cost
was about $100.  It claimed a space age technology but looks very much like
an earphone that doubles as a microphone to amplify the sound available in 
your ear canal when you speak.  I don't know how this works, but folks here in
the office speculate that this might be something like the earphones used by the
secret service. (Never saw one of those guys with a boom mike)

This device was available for the ICOM-02AT and was advertised as a good 
solution for noisy environments.  

I don't want to think about what could happen to your ear if you crash while 
using this thing.  (The proof is left as an exercise for the student......

73s

dick anderson
hp fort collins

ron@brl-tgr.ARPA (Ron Natalie <ron>) (05/23/85)

> In the May issue of "73" magazine I saw an ad for a microphone/earphone
> combination for use with HTs.  It used a press to talk switch and the cost
> was about $100.  It claimed a space age technology but looks very much like
> an earphone that doubles as a microphone to amplify the sound available in 
> your ear canal when you speak.  I don't know how this works, but folks here in
> the office speculate that this might be something like the earphones used by the
> secret service. (Never saw one of those guys with a boom mike)
> 
A guy tried to sell some to us once.  If it's the same thing it's called
an Ear-Mike (how creative) and it's made by a company in suburban Washington
(as I recall).  Interesting idea, I can't say I understand the big advantage.

chris@hplvla.UUCP (chris) (06/10/85)

As mentioned, Motorola, GE, RCA and maybe Johnson, are the best choices.
The two low-cost brands mentioned in the original posting are the ones
he gags at, not the MOT, GE, etc. Sorry if it wasn't clear.
-chris

mikey@trsvax (08/07/85)

I notice you specify sharp points on the umbrella leads.  Isn't there a 
controversy on sharp points vs balls on lightning arresters?  I remember
reading that the conflict goes all the way back to Ben Franklin and the 
King of England.

mikey at trsvax
KA5MJQ

jrc@hpcnof.UUCP (08/31/85)

An interesting comment... which suggests that we need a net similar to this
via packet radio --- with NO commercial interests.  Maybe using micros as
well as UNIX.  Is there anything out there (in packet land) comparable to
USENET?


Jim Conrad, KQ7B
hplabs!hpfcla!hpcnoa!j_conrad

roger@hpfcla.UUCP (10/31/85)

/***** hpfcmt:net.ham-radio / brl-tgr!FAC0395%UOFT01.B /  6:23 am  Oct 24, 1985*/

<<<<<<<<<<<<!!!!!!!!! FLAME !!!!!!!!!>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>By all means, if you work Tony -T77C, do include a greenstamp.  I
>believe that his QSL's are the sole source of income for the
>entire island.
>N8AAT /*  ----------  */

Since  when  has  Amateur  Radio  become  a  "source  of  income"?!  I  can
understand  helping a much desired DX station  with postage by including an
IRC (International  Reply Coupon), but sending US$ to subsidize  somebody's
income is both against the  principles of amateur radio and in violation of
the law.  Amateur Radio is a hobby.  Let's not turn it into a business!

Roger Jollis KU6I/0
Fort Collins, Colorado

roger@hpfcla.UUCP (11/08/85)

>Depends on what you think of as ham radio.  I rather enjoy reading about
>that sort of thing, as it has something technical to it.  On the other
>hand, if I have to read (thank G*d for rn's kill files!) one more
>article about lower-than-30MHZ-conversations-with-some-unknown-little-
>forsaken-island-using-some-foreign-manufactured-rice-rocket-hooked-up-
>to-some-store-bought-heap-of-aluminum-for-a-grand-total-of-10-seconds-to
>exchange-signal-reports, I'll puke.
>
>Ham radio is a diverse hobby.  I'm in it for the technical aspects, and 
>to learn more about radio, television, digital, and other modes of
>communications.  If I just want to talk to somebody, I'll use the
>telephone.  Its cheaper and more reliable.
>
>

BRAVO!!!

I agree whole  heartedly with Brian.  What ever happend to the Ham Radio of
build it  yourself/fix it yourself.  These days the majority of the rigs we
hear on the air are Japanese  rice-boxes operated by glorified CB appliance
operators.  What about perpetuating a pool of "trained radio  technicians."
Wasn't this part of Ham Radio (or  something to that effect) the reason for
Ham Radio in the first place?

What about the propagation of  international  brotherhood?  Since when does
"Your five-nine in Ohio 73..."  propagate brotherhood?  Have you ever tried
to  demonstrate  the hobby to a newcomer on a  conversation  such as that?!
What     kind     of      accomplishment      is     it     to      contact
"some-unknown-little-foresaken-island"  using maximum legal power and a big
store-bought antenna just to exchange false (usually) signal reports?  Some
suggest  removing  the code  requirement.  If that's done, then really what
would be the difference  between  Amateur Radio and CB, other than the fact
that skip is legalized on Ham Radio.  The day that is done, I send my
license in for cancellation!

>So please! Tolerate the not-ham-radio-the way-the-ARRL-invented-it
>traffic as well as the more traditional stuff here in ham-rado.  Some of
>us like it!
>
>	Brian Kantor, WB6CYT
>

Whoever said that the ARRL is the god of amateur  radio?  They seem to have
put   themselves   in  that   position   for   the   primary   reasons   of
self-propagation.  Afterall, the more  unsophisticated  amateurs there are,
the more suckers there are likely to be who will send that good-for-nothing
organization  membership  fees.  I learned  early, I quit  after one  year.
They are the biggest offender of commercialization of amateur radio.  Their
magazine  (not a journal by any  means!)  used to have some good  technical
articles.  Now it is mainly  filled with  useless  statistics  and adds for
Japanese junk!

To conclude  my flame, I'm all for  technical  talk on this note  category!
Technical  discussion is part of the hobby.  As far as political debates, I
feel that it should find another category since it is not at all related to
amateur radio.

Roger Jollis KU6I
Fort Collins, Colorado

DE KU6I QRQ QSX 3520 KHZ K

"We're all entitled to our own opinions."

Any opinions here stated are entirely my own and in no way reflect the
policies or opinions of my employer.

jhs@mitre-bedford.ARPA (11/12/85)

C'mon guys!  Dx chasing really DOES foster brotherhood, especially if
conducted via a "dx net".  I feel really GOOD when I hear the net control
helping the two parties to a contact to figure out that each is giving the
other a 5 by 9 report, even though they can't hear each other directly.
This spirit of brotherhood and cooperation is the essence of modern-day
ham radio.  Alas.

						73,
						John S., W3IKG

scott@hpuslma.UUCP (11/14/85)

Roger, 

Aren't you being a little bit hard on the ARRL and their "commercialized maga-
zine?"  I just received my Tech license recently and still enjoy seeing the 
ads for the many new and different products on the marketplace.  Maybe we 
should write to ARRL and request more technical articles, but at the same time
I believe they have done a good job over the years promoting and protecting the
rights and privileges of us Hams.  By the way I was WA0BNM back in the early
'60's.

Jim Scott
N0GLP

ron@brl-sem.ARPA (Ron Natalie <ron>) (11/16/85)

> Aren't you being a little bit hard on the ARRL and their "commercialized maga-
> zine?"  I just received my Tech license recently and still enjoy seeing the 
> ads for the many new and different products on the marketplace.  Maybe we 
> should write to ARRL and request more technical articles, but at the same time
> I believe they have done a good job over the years promoting and protecting the
> rights and privileges of us Hams.  By the way I was WA0BNM back in the early
> '60's.
> 
It's just another BYTE.  Recent ARRL "protection" stands are about as
serving to the amateur community as Jerry Pournelle is to the advancement
of computer science (read the recent analysis of the need for auxiliary
operation below 220MHz).  We launched a letter writing campaign to QST
editors back in 1980 about the technical quality of the articles and even
suggest and volunteered to help with things like technical review of articles
and means for getting better technically qualified writers.  The answer,
which was even more galling than just inaction, was that they felt that
they were doing a superlative job.  Sure, that's why in the period of a
year we had an article on how to build a TouchTone decoder using 24 PLLs
(for those who don't know, there were chips to do that, albeit exensive...
$14.  But if you were going to do it with discreet PLL chips, you can
you only need seven (there are only seven tones) and an article on a
microcomputer application for blind amateurs that sent numbers to them
as a slow series of beeps.  Perhaps, some form of encoding (Morse?) would
be more appropriate.

Glad I didn't blow the bucks on a life membership.
-Ron

mikey@techsup (01/07/86)

I think you'll find that most power companies will respond fairly 
soon to a 'noisy' transformer.  From what I was told by a power company 
official, a 'noisy' transformer is a failure getting ready to happen.  
Not only could the power company open up a can of worms if there
was a problem with loss of property or life from a failure that was 
known to be imminent, but I'm sure a 'noisy' transformer is not as
effecient as a correctly functioning one.  Also, the cost of rewinding
a transformer before it blows and damages the core is considerably less
than after the failure.

mikey  N1DVJ
trsvax!techsup!bbimg!mikey

kward@npqc (01/15/86)

/* Written  7:11 am  Jan  9, 1986 by ihu1h.UUC!parnass in npqc:net.ham-radio */

  > About a year ago, I queried the group about getting a schematic
  > for a Uniden CR2021 .......  Can anyone help out?
  > Jim, wa1uou
  > <jberets@bbn-vax.arpa>

See if you can order a service manual for a Realistic DX400
from Radio Shack.  It's a CR2021 clone.

/* End of text from npqc:net.ham-radio */

This service manual is available from Radio Shack, One of the better
ones too, I must say.  It is 72 pages with fold out schematic, and
sells for $8.25.  Part Number is MS-2000207, catalog# 20-207.

Parts orders or quotes:		Radio Shack National Parts
				900 E. Northside Dr.
				Ft. Worth, TX  76102
				(817) 870-5600
				Attn:  Customer Service Dept.
Hope this helps...

			Keith Ward
			trsvax!techsup!npqc!kward
			Radio Shack National Parts #0048
			(817) 870-5650

		

mikey@techsup (02/02/86)

I read on a BBS (un-named) that there was a group up in Oregon that
was busting the HBO stuff durring their test runs in under 30 hours.
The stuff I read went on to say that what made it easy was that they
would just go get a copy of the movie being shown and once that
they know the 'answer in the back of the book' finding the question
was easy.

mikey
trsvax!techsup!bbimg!mikey