n8840371@unicorn.cc.wwu.edu (Todd Crowe) (04/02/91)
lee@minnow.sp.unisys.com (Gene Lee) writes: >I have been trying to load windows 3.0 on my new DTK 486/25 with no luck. >Windows runs fine if I put it in Real or Standard mode but if I try to >run it in Enhanced mode it dies. The worst thing about it is that it >does not print any error messages, it just goes back to the DOS prompt >while the opening logo screen is still up. > >I called Microsoft (I should have known better) and all the guy could do >is guess at problems (If it printed out the reason it died they wouldn't >have to guess. The best he could come up with was that it was my graphics >card and told me to get a new win3 driver from paradise. I did and it >still doesn't work. > [stuff deleted] It sounds like you only called MS once. Their tech support can vary greatly depending on who you speak to. I recommend that you call them once more, if you don't get a definite answer make them check into the problem and give you a "call-back"; don't let them give you a, "well, try this..." answer. Microsoft support is tiered, so you might also ask to speak with a Windows specialist. Good Luck. | Todd Crowe | | n8840371@unicorn.wwu.edu or TODDC@nessie.wwu.edu | There are three types of people, those who can count and those who can't.
smsmith@hpuxa.acs.ohio-state.edu (Stephen M. Smith) (04/02/91)
In article <2151@minnow.sp.unisys.com> lee@minnow.UUCP (Gene Lee) writes: > >I have been trying to load windows 3.0 on my new DTK 486/25 with no luck. >Windows runs fine if I put it in Real or Standard mode but if I try to >run it in Enhanced mode it dies. The worst thing about it is that it >does not print any error messages, it just goes back to the DOS prompt >while the opening logo screen is still up. > [deletions] >At this point I'm getting really pissed off at windows and am considering >buying Desqview (any opions on that). If anyone has any ideas I'd love >to here them; I don't want to have spent $99 for nothing. > [system hardware deleted] >I've tried adding this lines to the windows SYSTEM.INI file >EMMEXCLUDE=C400-C7FF > >but it didn't help. > >I'd like to hear from anyone with suggestions on getting win3.0 to work >or from anyone with experience on Desqview that would like to convince >me to say the hell with windows. >Gene Lee UUCP: ...!uunet!s5000!minnow!lee >Phone: (612) 635-7147 CSNET: lee@minnow.SP.Unisys.Com Windows 3.0 came bundled with my system, but I went ahead and bought Desqview 386 based on numerous comments from netland. I haven't tried multitasking DOS programs in Windows because Desqview does such a good job of that. I use Windows for "fun" stuff only right now: .bmp images, .rol sound files for my Soundblaster, Fractint for Windows, Solitaire, Chess, etc. Remember that you can run Windows inside Desqview, but only in Standard or Real mode, and in no higher resolution than standard VGA. The neatest thing about Desqview 386 is that it now comes bundled with QEMM (the BEST extended memory manager on the market) and Manifest (the BEST system analyzer on the market--check out PC Mag's recent review). Manifest is GREAT! You can see exactly how your memory is being utilized by each program, you can solve memory conflicts, DMA conflicts, interrupt conflicts, benchmark your memory, check CMOS setup and environment setup, look at all your BIOS addresses, etc., etc.--this program is GREAT, and it runs outside of Desqview as well as within a window under Desqview. I run Windows in Enhanced mode with QEMM loaded, and it works absolutely flawlessly. You not only can place all your drivers in high memory (smartdrive, mouse, etc.--even "files=" and "buffers=") but you can also put them just where you want them to be in high ram. QEMM and Windows 3.0 is really the best combination, even if you don't use Desqview. Why did you try to exclude C400-C7FF? The video BIOS is usually shadowed to the 32k region at C000-C7FF; is this what you intended to "exclude"? To be on the safe side, try the following: EMMEXCLUDE=C000-C7FF (area for shadowed video BIOS) EMMEXCLUDE=F000-FFFF (area for shadowed system BIOS) This will keep your memory manager from messing with any of the shadowed BIOS. If you had QEMM, you could run its analyzer when you start up Windows in Enhanced mode to see what memory conflicts were occuring which might cause Windows to abort. Of course if you had QEMM you might find that the problem mysteriously disappears. ;) I'm assuming that you are loading HIMEM.SYS in the first line of your config.sys file, right? Anyway, there's my $.02. I know how frustrating it can be to try to get things to run the way you want them to. It took me two weeks of agony to finally realize that I had a flaky motherboard utility and that I couldn't use normal keyboard hotkeys to change system configurations when a memory manager was loaded (plus various other time-consuming frustrations). Good luck. Stephen M. Smith \ + / <smsmith@hpuxa. \+++++/ " #*&<-[89s]*(k#$@-_=//a2$]'+=.(2_&*%>,,@ ircc.ohio-state. \ + / {7%*@,..":27g)-=,#*:.#,/6&1*.4-,l@#9:-) " edu> \ + / BTW, WYSInaWYG \ + / --witty.saying.ARC
yow@riddler.Berkeley.EDU (Billy Yow 283-4009) (04/02/91)
Stuff Deleted about Windows 3.0 >inside Desqview, but only in Standard or Real mode, and in no >higher resolution than standard VGA. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ THIS IS NOT TRUE. I run Windows 3.0 using the ATI VGA Wonder card at 800x600x256 colors inside of DESQview. Bill Yow yow@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov My opinions are my own.
rreiner@yunexus.YorkU.CA (Richard Reiner) (04/02/91)
smsmith@hpuxa.acs.ohio-state.edu (Stephen M. Smith) writes: [high praise of QEMM and DESQview, with which I agree completely, omitted] >Remember that you can run Windows >inside Desqview, but only in Standard or Real mode, and in no >higher resolution than standard VGA. This, however, is false. I run Windows in Standard mode in 800x600x16, 800x600x256 and sometimes 1024x768x256 under DESQview without any problems. As with any other superVGA program in DESQview, however, if you pop up the DV menu while Windows has the screen, switch to another task, and then return to Windows, the Windows screen image will be trashed. Windows and its apps are all still running, though, and provoking a screen refresh is easy enough in most apps. //richard
rkl@cbnewsh.att.com (kevin.laux) (04/02/91)
In article <2151@minnow.sp.unisys.com>, lee@minnow.sp.unisys.com (Gene Lee) writes: > > I have been trying to load windows 3.0 on my new DTK 486/25 with no luck. > Windows runs fine if I put it in Real or Standard mode but if I try to > run it in Enhanced mode it dies. The worst thing about it is that it > does not print any error messages, it just goes back to the DOS prompt > while the opening logo screen is still up. > [rest deleted] What is your switchar? Windows exhibited the same behaviour when I set my switchar to a '-' instead of a '/'. Seems that Windows can't find directories, programs, data files and other such stuff because it can't understand paths built with virgules. -- ________________________________________________________________________________ R. Kevin Laux Email: rkl1@hound.att.com AT&T Bell Labs Voice: (908) 949-1160 Holmdel, NJ 07733 Fax: (908) 949-0959
dcuka@cbnewse.att.com (david.a.cuka) (04/03/91)
In article <2151@minnow.sp.unisys.com> lee@minnow.UUCP (Gene Lee) writes: > >I have been trying to load windows 3.0 on my new DTK 486/25 with no luck. >Windows runs fine if I put it in Real or Standard mode but if I try to >run it in Enhanced mode it dies. The worst thing about it is that it >does not print any error messages, it just goes back to the DOS prompt >while the opening logo screen is still up. > [other interesting details deleted] > >I've tried adding this lines to the windows SYSTEM.INI file >EMMEXCLUDE=C400-C7FF > >but it didn't help. > What VERSION of QEMM are you running??? It is my current understanding that W3.0 will work (in 386 enhanced mode) with QEMM 5.11 and later. Earlier versions should/might come up in standard mode. I have 5.0 (or maybe 5.10 if there is such a version), and this is what happens when I try to use QEMM. So, I just use HIMEM.SYS (until I upgrade QEMM). >I'd like to hear from anyone with suggestions on getting win3.0 to work >or from anyone with experience on Desqview that would like to convince >me to say the hell with windows. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I said that once (or was it twice :), too. > >-- >Gene Lee UUCP: ...!uunet!s5000!minnow!lee >Unisys Corporation >Phone: (612) 635-7147 CSNET: lee@minnow.SP.Unisys.Com >If not for the courage of the fearless manager, the paycheck would be lost. David Cuka AT&T Bell Laboratories 17089790094 HelpStampOutWhiteSpaceInSignatures!
liberato@dri.com (Jimmy Liberato) (04/03/91)
lee@minnow.sp.unisys.com (Gene Lee) writes: >I have been trying to load windows 3.0 on my new DTK 486/25 with no luck. >Windows runs fine if I put it in Real or Standard mode but if I try to >run it in Enhanced mode it dies. The worst thing about it is that it >does not print any error messages, it just goes back to the DOS prompt >while the opening logo screen is still up. >I called Microsoft (I should have known better) and all the guy could do >is guess at problems ... Ok, another guess: try turning off your CPU instruction cache (usually toggled by a "turbo" switch on a 486) before loading your XMS driver (HIMEM.SYS). -- Jimmy Liberato liberato@dri.com ...uunet!drivax!liberato
splin@nima.berkeley.edu (Steven Lin) (04/04/91)
In article <1991Apr1.153648@riddler.Berkeley.EDU> yow@riddler.Berkeley.EDU (Billy Yow 283-4009) writes: > >>inside Desqview, but only in Standard or Real mode, and in no >>higher resolution than standard VGA. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ THIS IS NOT TRUE. > >I run Windows 3.0 using the ATI VGA Wonder card at 800x600x256 colors >inside of DESQview. > Windows will run inside Desqview at SVGA resolutions, but Desqview will only save, at most, 256K of the video if you switch to another Desqview window. Since 800x600x256 requires 512K, you're going to lose part of the display whenever you switch back to Windows. So, if you don't plan on switching from Windows, go ahead and use the SVGA mode. Of course, if you're not going to switch to another Desqview window, why use Desqview at all? I regularly use SVGA programs inside of Desqview, but I usually never switch away to another window unless the program has a command to refresh the screen or I don't care about losing part of the display. Steve
gumbyltd@ronzoni.berkeley.edu (Dmitry Gokhman) (04/04/91)
[on the heels of a discussion of SVGA under Desqview] Back on the farm: I can't even run standard mode, only real. Same symptoms: I get popped back to a DOS prompt (w/o a cursor) after the stupid logo (stupid because instead of the logo I would have preferred some diagnostic messages). I've tried various combinations of himem, emm386, smartdrv, loading without turbo, you name it. What's going on?!!??
Greg.Smith@p11.f477.n104.z1.METRONET.ORG (Greg Smith) (04/04/91)
In a message to All <02 Apr 91 10:21> Billy Yow 283-4009 wrote: BY> From: yow@riddler.Berkeley.EDU (Billy Yow 283-4009) BY> Date: 1 Apr 91 21:36:48 GMT BY> Organization: nasa-jsc BY> Message-ID: <1991Apr1.153648@riddler.Berkeley.EDU> BY> Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.misc,comp.os.msdos.apps BY> Stuff Deleted about Windows 3.0 >>inside Desqview, but only in Standard or Real mode, and in no >>higher resolution than standard VGA. BY> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ THIS IS NOT TRUE. BY> I run Windows 3.0 using the ATI VGA Wonder card at 800x600x256 colors BY> inside of DESQview. Have you tried switching away from the Windows window? Do you have a special driver for DESQview to use the hi-res VGA? I've never heard of DV correctly using hi-res, non-standard, modes as such. BY> My opinions are my own. Wow! Greg.Smith@bohemia.metronet.org --- XRS!% 4.10DV * Origin: Avatar or bust! (Quick 1:104/477.11) -- ============================================================================= Greg Smith - via MetroNet node 200:5000/301 The Bohemia BBS System, Boulder Colorado (303)449-8946 UUCP: Greg.Smith@p11.f477.n104.z1.METRONET.ORG or : ...!boulder!bohemia.METRONET.ORG!1!104!477.11!Greg.Smith =============================================================================
oper@vms.macc.wisc.edu (MACC Operator) (04/05/91)
In article <1991Apr1.203804.7525@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, smsmith@hpuxa.acs.ohio-state.edu (Stephen M. Smith) writes... >In article <2151@minnow.sp.unisys.com> lee@minnow.UUCP (Gene Lee) writes: >> >>I have been trying to load windows 3.0 on my new DTK 486/25 with no luck. >>Windows runs fine if I put it in Real or Standard mode but if I try to >>run it in Enhanced mode it dies. The worst thing about it is that it >>does not print any error messages, it just goes back to the DOS prompt >>while the opening logo screen is still up. >> [deletions] >>At this point I'm getting really pissed off at windows and am considering >>buying Desqview (any opions on that). If anyone has any ideas I'd love >>to here them; I don't want to have spent $99 for nothing. >> [system hardware deleted] >>I've tried adding this lines to the windows SYSTEM.INI file >>EMMEXCLUDE=C400-C7FF >> >>but it didn't help. >> >>I'd like to hear from anyone with suggestions on getting win3.0 to work >>or from anyone with experience on Desqview that would like to convince >>me to say the hell with windows. >>Gene Lee UUCP: ...!uunet!s5000!minnow!lee >>Phone: (612) 635-7147 CSNET: lee@minnow.SP.Unisys.Com > >Windows 3.0 came bundled with my system, but I went ahead and bought >Desqview 386 based on numerous comments from netland. I haven't >tried multitasking DOS programs in Windows because Desqview does >such a good job of that. I use Windows for "fun" stuff only right >now: .bmp images, .rol sound files for my Soundblaster, Fractint for >Windows, Solitaire, Chess, etc. Remember that you can run Windows >inside Desqview, but only in Standard or Real mode, and in no >higher resolution than standard VGA. > >The neatest thing about Desqview 386 is that it now comes bundled >with QEMM (the BEST extended memory manager on the market) and >Manifest (the BEST system analyzer on the market--check out PC >Mag's recent review). Manifest is GREAT! You can see exactly >how your memory is being utilized by each program, you can solve >memory conflicts, DMA conflicts, interrupt conflicts, benchmark >your memory, check CMOS setup and environment setup, look at >all your BIOS addresses, etc., etc.--this program is GREAT, and >it runs outside of Desqview as well as within a window under >Desqview. > >I run Windows in Enhanced mode with QEMM loaded, and it works >absolutely flawlessly. You not only can place all your drivers >in high memory (smartdrive, mouse, etc.--even "files=" and >"buffers=") but you can also put them just where you want them >to be in high ram. QEMM and Windows 3.0 is really the best >combination, even if you don't use Desqview. I run Windows the same way (w/ QEMM) and agree that the performance is nearly flawless. QEMM is much better than HIMEM.SYS (Incidentally I think Hyperdisk 4.20 is better than Smartdrive). I'm using a Gateway 2000 486-25. >Stephen M. Smith \ + / ><smsmith@hpuxa. \+++++/ " #*&<-[89s]*(k#$@-_=//a2$]'+=.(2_&*%>,,@ > ircc.ohio-state. \ + / {7%*@,..":27g)-=,#*:.#,/6&1*.4-,l@#9:-) " > edu> \ + / > BTW, WYSInaWYG \ + / --witty.saying.ARC gregg@macc.wisc.edu
feg@moss.ATT.COM (Forrest Gehrke,2C-119,7239,ATTBL) (04/08/91)
In article <1991Apr4.134855.24812@agate.berkeley.edu> gumbyltd@ronzoni.berkeley.edu (Dmitry Gokhman) writes: >[on the heels of a discussion of SVGA under Desqview] > >Back on the farm: I can't even run standard mode, only real. >Same symptoms: I get popped back to a DOS prompt (w/o a cursor) >after the stupid logo (stupid because instead of the logo I would >have preferred some diagnostic messages). I've tried various >combinations of himem, emm386, smartdrv, loading without turbo, >you name it. What's going on?!!?? You haven't supplied enough info on your system configuration, but my guess is that Windows is not finding a video driver it needs. Take a look at your video card manual, or better yet, call the tech support people for your video card. Forrest Gehrke feg@dodger.att.com m
mlord@bwdls58.bnr.ca (Mark Lord) (04/08/91)
In article <22198@yunexus.YorkU.CA> rreiner@yunexus.YorkU.CA (Richard Reiner) writes: <smsmith@hpuxa.acs.ohio-state.edu (Stephen M. Smith) writes: < <[high praise of QEMM and DESQview, with which I agree completely, omitted] < <>Remember that you can run Windows <>inside Desqview, but only in Standard or Real mode, and in no <>higher resolution than standard VGA. < <This, however, is false. I run Windows in Standard mode in <800x600x16, 800x600x256 and sometimes 1024x768x256 under DESQview <without any problems. As with any other superVGA program in DESQview, <however, if you pop up the DV menu while Windows has the screen, <switch to another task, and then return to Windows, the Windows screen <image will be trashed. Windows and its apps are all still running, Err.. not exactly correct. I use the 800x600x16 mode for windows under Desqview, and have no problem switching back/forth. The screen contents are not trashed for either in either direction. To do this, run the Desqview ChangeProgram option, select F1=Advanced, and set the number of graphics pages to "4". -- MLORD@BNR.CA Ottawa, Ontario *** Personal views only *** begin 644 NOTSHARE.COM ; Free MS-DOS utility - use instead of SHARE.EXE MZQ.0@/P/=`J`_!9T!2[_+H``L/_/+HX&+`"T2<TAO@,!OX0`N1(`C,B.P/.DS <^K@A-<TAB1Z``(P&@@"ZA`"X(27-(?NZE@#-)P#-5 `` end
maurit@nrtc.nrtc.northrop.com (Mark Aurit <maurit>) (04/10/91)
In article <1991Apr2.180853.3403@cbnewse.att.com> dcuka@cbnewse.att.com (david.a.cuka) writes: >>me to say the hell with windows. >I said that once (or was it twice :), too. I continually say that too. Its not that I dont use it - I run Excel, Word for Win, Project, a 3270 emulator and others, and basically like the apps. And Im consider myself to be highly experienced. But I just love my 386 turn into a 8 mhz AT. Sometimes I think I must be "brain damaged" (the knock on the 286) for putting up with a system that turns my 386 into a 286. And dontcha just love win.ini! When you start loading up on lotsa apps, that sucker gets indecipherable REAL fast, and if you back an app out, guess what file doesnt reflect it! Love the apps, but 3.0 is one giant pain in the butt. Mark Aurit
rreiner@yunexus.YorkU.CA (Richard Reiner) (04/10/91)
mlord@bwdls58.bnr.ca (Mark Lord) writes: > rreiner@yunexus.YorkU.CA (Richard Reiner) writes: >< however, if you pop up the DV menu while Windows has the screen [in >< a superVGA mode] switch to another task, and then return to >< Windows, the Windows screen image will be trashed. >Err.. not exactly correct. I use the 800x600x16 mode for windows under >Desqview, and have no problem switching back/forth. The screen contents >are not trashed for either in either direction. To do this, run the >Desqview ChangeProgram option, select F1=Advanced, and set the number >of graphics pages to "4". This works for the minority of SVGA cards which use only the standard VGA addressing for their lower SVGA modes. The DV manual, in fact, explains this. For the majority of SVGA cards, this technique will not work. //richard. . . . .