hamish@waikato.ac.nz (06/27/90)
In article <2869@uniol.UUCP>, thumburg@uniol.UUCP (Thomas Humburg) writes: > cmm1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Christopher M Mauritz) writes: > >>In article <535@ra.MsState.Edu> ehm1@CC.MsState.Edu (Eddie Mikell) writes: >>>This has to be a joke, isn't it? >>> >>>How about trading some aid for some of our hostages back? > >>This is ridiculous. This comes from the same country that always >>publicly calls us THE GREAT SATAN. They made their bed, now they >>have to lie in it. Give 'em aid when we get our people back and not >>any sooner. > > Who do you think you are ? God ? > With this opinion you must also say, that murderes who are in prison don't > have the right to get any medical help. If they become ill its there fault. > They shouldn't have killed someone if they want to get help. > > Don't you see how stupid and inhumanity your positon is ? > If doctors react like you it would be very difficult for you to get any help > from them, if you had made the 'fault' to criticise or to blame them for > doing something wrong. OK. I'm going to keep out of the fight with Iran. My taxes already made up part of the donation our government made. (BTW Did you see that even Salmund Rushdi [i think thats how you spell it] has made a $15,000 donation). #warning! Thought provoking question ahead But back to the story. If somebody raped your daughter/wife/sister, would you want them to have medical help? Ask yourself that. It's trendy liberals who want to do good to criminals that are causing repeated crimes. #endwarning BTW This has nothing to do with Iran, I don't class them as convicted rapist's murders etc, or even know of any acts of terrorism committed by them. Try giving them some help, and they might just surprise you. I think that if you pissed me off enough that I would call you names as well. > > Help an humanity is independent from them person who needs help. It only > depends on you. Help and humanity is something you must have to help and not > the person who needs the help. (Even YOU (or a NAZI, Murder ...) would get > help from me if you need it ). Hmm... Don't know if I would help a murderer. Apart from with suicide that is. -- ============================================================================== | Hamish Marson | Internet hamish@waikato.ac.nz | ============================================================================== |Disclaimer: Anything said in this message is the personal opinion of the | | finger hitting the keyboard & doesn't represent my employers | | opinion in any way. (ie we probably don't agree) | ==============================================================================
vma@wpi.wpi.edu (Vahid Motevalli) (06/27/90)
In article <1990Jun25.175521.26947@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> cmm1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Christopher M Mauritz) writes: >In article <535@ra.MsState.Edu> ehm1@CC.MsState.Edu (Eddie Mikell) writes: >>This has to be a joke, isn't it? >> ********** >>How about trading some aid for some of our hostages back? > >This is ridiculous. This comes from the same country that always >publicly calls us THE GREAT SATAN. They made their bed, now they >have to lie in it. Give 'em aid when we get our people back and not >any sooner. > >Cheers, > >Chris > >------------------------------+--------------------------- >Chris Mauritz |Donde hay una cerveza >cmm1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu |hay un plan. >(c)All rights reserved. | >Send flames to /dev/null |El Guerrero Aereo es el rey! >------------------------------+--------------------------- Well, here we have it. Americans placing a price on human life. Let me ask how much "aid" will you give for each of "your hostages" in Lebonon. Thoughts from those like you are probably unworthy of response. However, in light of the general negative feelings of American public, their lack of concern and response and much less media coverage than similar catastrophies, I will make the following comments. 1. The essential problem in the attitude of such "ignorant jerks" (as was used in a previous article) is that they simply extent the political responsibilities onto the Iranian people. This is legitimate only if those people have had full knowledge and choice over the actions of their government. 2. The general lack of knwledge of the history of Iran-U.S. relations over the past 50 yrs. 3. A biased attitude and double standard toward the value of life and worthiness of beings not from western countries. 4. Failure to react on human terms or basis of Judeo-Christian ethics when confronted with a human tragedy. So, if you and unfortunately a vast number of American public wish to bring politics into this human tragedy and distribute responsibilities for political events among the earthquake victims, let us have reciprocity. If those 50000 Iranians killed were responsible for the hostages in the American embassy and those in Lebenon, then you as American tax-payers, voters in a "democratic" society are responsible for the following: 1. The CIA sponsored coup that toppled the nationalistic government of Dr. Mossadegh in 1953. This coup was directly managed by Mr. Kermit Roosevelt, nephew to president Roosevelt. As a result of this coup, the Shah was brought back to power. The CIA subsequently halped the formation of SAVAK the nutorious secret police of Iran which was equal to the KGB . 2. The Shah and his tyrranic (i.e. undemocratic) rule was supported by the U.S. for over 25 years. 3. Ironically, it was the U.S. manuvering that made it possible for Khomeini to assume power since the U.S., in it's usual shortsited foreign policy, did not want any leftists to take power in Iran. So, should we Iranians hold you and those like you individually responsible for acts like this that have altered our lives fantastically, has resulted in much suffering and loss of life? The American governments mentallity toward value of life is quite evident when the Lebenon situation is reviewed. When the 251 marines were killed in Lebenon, the battleship New Jersy went on an indiscriminate shelling of the Bekka valley in revenge. Each of its shells from the 16" guns can level an area the size of a football field. Was there a concern for loss of innocent lives there. No, because the 251 american lives were measured to be much higher than hundreds of civilians (as opposed to military). The response and reaction of americans in the shooting down of the Iranian jetliner over the Persian gulf, as opposed to shooting down of the Korean airliner 007 by the Soviet Union, is another vivid example. Finally, a famed persian poet, Sa'di, says: Humans are like different parts of single body, in creation When, one part of the body is in pain due to play of nature, other body parts can not rest in peace. This verse is written on U.N. headquarter building. I translated from persian and have not done justice to the poem, but you can understand the general meaning, but again make likes of you will never understand. That is the difference between human beings and lowest form of life (i.e. fungui). Hoping for your elevation to higher forms of life so that you shall not be stepped on in your next life. Work on it. With best wishes Vahid
cp26+@andrew.cmu.edu (Christopher Thomas Parker) (06/28/90)
Ummm...People? I understand that the Iranian "situation" (for lack of a better term at the moment) is both sensitive and personal to many people. However, the "discussion" (read that as "flaming") currently happening on the net is not appropriate to the newsgroups that it is being posted in. I post this here to make sure that all of you see it, and hopefully realize this. The person who posted the call for help originally has apologized for posting in inappropriate newsgroups, and has requested that things get redirected. I'm reading comp.sys.mac for information about my macintosh, and also on the off chance that I might be able to help someone with a problem with their machine. It's a waste of bandwidth for you guys to be flaming/discussing/doing whatever on this board and other comp.sys.<insert system here> boards. Please, the newsgroups are set up in >groups< for a reason: it's so that people looking for specific information know where to look. If I want to hear about this, I'll read netnews.soc.culture.iranian or alt.flames for the argument. All I'm asking, and I'm sure it would be appreciated by the readers of all the groups that this is going out to, is that you redirect your messages to appropriate boards. -Chris cp26@andrew.cmu.edu There's my email address. Flame me personally, but leave it off the net, or send it to alt.flames.