jacma@IDA.LiU.SE (Jacek Malec) (01/16/91)
On behalf of my friend, who cannot post, I'd like to ask the following questions concerning i386DX processor residing in an AT board and intended to run Unix: 1. We have been told that up to (?) 25MHz version, the 386 processor had to have the sigma-sigma sign on it to be able to run Unix (for DOS it had to be sigma-pi). Is it still true for the 33MHZ version? (we have the processor without any such sign). 2. We have been told that "D" version of the processor is error-free. Does the DX mean that we have D-version (we have a processor with the following set of inscriptions: i386 A80386DX-33 IV SX219 L0291855 INTEL (m) (C) '85 3. Where can we find the program testing the multiplication error (which has been announced in '87)? These are all specific questions I have been asked to post. Maybe you have some other comments about Unix running on such processor? I would greatly appreciate e-mail answers to me (jam@ida.liu.se), possibly with a Cc: to marekk@amargosa.uucp, the original source of question. But I'll try to read these groups for some time. TIME is important, as they have possibility to exchange the processor or the whole motherboard up till the end of January. Thanks in advance -- Jacek (Jacek Malec, Dept of Computer and Information Science, Linkoping University, 583 81 Linkoping, Sweden, tel. +46 13 282362, email: jam@ida.liu.se)
jacma@IDA.LiU.SE (Jacek Malec) (01/21/91)
Thanks to everybody, who answered to my (or our) questions. It seems that we don't have to worry, and that our 80386DX-33 should be OK. However, one particular question seems to have received contradictory answers. Some answers claim that "sigma-sigma" (or other) sign has been used only up till 20MHZ version and should not appear on faster processors. Other people claim that they have it on their 33MHz chip! So if you are not bored by answering me, please do it once more. My questions are now the following: 1. What means (or has ment) the "sigma-sigma" sign on the processor? (Intel's final sign of approval?) 2. What means (or has ment) the "sigma-pi" sign on the processor? 3. Where can I find some (printed?) info about these matters? 4. Is there any contact in Intel, Inc. (e-mail?) where I could try to get some "official" answer? (I'm currently trying to find such in Intel-Sweden, but no success yet:-() If possible, please answer by e-mail (jam@ida.liu.se) and Cc: to marek@amargosa.uucp Thanks in advance -- Jacek (Jacek Malec, Dept of Computer and Information Science, Linkoping University, 583 81 Linkoping, Sweden, tel. +46 13 282362, email: jam@ida.liu.se)
dkessner@isis.cs.du.edu (David D. Kessner) (01/21/91)
In article <JACMA.91Jan20214300@massormetrix.IDA.LiU.SE> jacma@IDA.LiU.SE (Jacek Malec) writes: >However, one particular question seems to have received contradictory >answers. Some answers claim that "sigma-sigma" (or other) sign has >been used only up till 20MHZ version and should not appear on faster >processors. Other people claim that they have it on their 33MHz chip! I have a 386/25 that is about a year old, it has the Sigma-Sigma sign on it. I have also looked at several brand-new 386/25's that does not have this sign. I have not looked closely at our 386/33. There is a program called Check-It (offhand, I forgot who makes it. It is not PD or shareware). This diag program will check a 386 CPU for the 'pre-sigma- sigma' bug. I was under the impression that the 'pre-sigma-sigma' bug was fixed before the 33mhz part was out. Or even before the 25mhz. But I have no REAL information to back this up. David Kessner kessner!david@csn.org
jgd@Dixie.Com (John G. DeArmond) (01/22/91)
dkessner@isis.cs.du.edu (David D. Kessner) writes: >There is a program called Check-It (offhand, I forgot who makes it. It is not >PD or shareware). This diag program will check a 386 CPU for the 'pre-sigma- >sigma' bug. Gee, you mean someone actually tried to SELL such a program? Included in this posting is a PD checker from my archive. >I was under the impression that the 'pre-sigma-sigma' bug was fixed before the >33mhz part was out. Or even before the 25mhz. But I have no REAL information >to back this up. I think the problem was solved back in the 16 mhz days. The 16 meg Compaq that is now the terminal I'm typing on has a double sigma symbol on the 386 and I remember that it was quite a concern back then. John ---- begin 664 386bug.arc M&@@S.#9"54<N15A% 3?H!0 ,4.+X2)!FH: ,3;2H > P ( , _#O M7[( !",&^ . *0!'BP.@,@,0)( !2 "6$+ XC^+Z:HL8H>K)+I? 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sci240s@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (mr w.j. ho) (01/22/91)
Is there any known bug for i486 ( 25 Mhz or 33Mhz ) ? If there is, anyway to check for it ? Thanks. -- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^ Wey Jing Ho Tel: 61-3-5732567 E-mail : sci240s@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au ^ ^ Physics Dept., Monash University ( Caulfield Campus ), Melbourne, AUSTRALIA ^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^