dkrause@orion.oac.uci.edu (Doug Krause) (03/21/91)
#Welcome to the world of Mail Order! Welcome to the world of Mail Fraud!
lev@suned1.Nswses.Navy.MIL (Lloyd E Vancil) (03/22/91)
In article <27E8C7A9.7270@orion.oac.uci.edu> dkrause@orion.oac.uci.edu (Doug Krause) writes: >#Welcome to the world of Mail Order! > >Welcome to the world of Mail Fraud! Welcome to the world of electronic mail fraud it had to happen sooner or later. -- * suned1!lev@elroy.JPL.Nasa.Gov sun!suntzu!suned1!lev . lev@suned1.nswses.navy.mil + . + * S.T.A.R.S.! The revolution has begun! * ----------------- My employer has no opinions. These are mine! ----------------
ladanyi@CS.Cornell.EDU (La'szlo' Lada'nyi) (03/22/91)
Charles Kust St Agathe Que. <248.27e77f8b@mwk.uucp> writes in Article 7193: >Follow these instructions EXACTLY, and in 20 to 60 days you >will have received well over $50,000.00 cash, all yours. >This program has remained successful because of the honesty >and integrety of the participants. Please continue its >success by carefully adhering to the instructions. >....the others deleted The problem with this 'game' (easy to see), that it's impossible, that everybody would win. The game goes around in the country, and while there are new participants, there is no problem, the very early participants really get the $50,000. The problem starts when practically everybody is involved to this game, and there is no new player. At this time the game dies out, and the last players don't get back anything. Conclusion: In this 'game' millions of people (the last players) pay money ($1) to only thousands of people (the early birds), so the early birds really get thousands of bucks, but all the others only lose. That's why I don't like this thing even if I would be an early player. I'm just sick of the idea to collect others bucks, when they don't know the background of the game. Laci ----------------------------------------------------------------------- | Laci Ladanyi | "Not only is this incomprehensible, but | | ladanyi@cs.cornell.edu | the ink is ugly and the paper is from | | ladanyi@orie.cornell.edu | the wrong kind of tree." -Profesoor W. | -----------------------------------------------------------------------
ap@deimos.caltech.edu (Alain Picard) (03/22/91)
In article <248.27e77f8b@mwk.uucp>, tway@mwk.uucp (Bill Tway) writes... > > > INSTRUCTIONS > ============ >Follow these instructions EXACTLY, and in 20 to 60 days you >will have received well over $50,000.00 cash, all yours. >This program has remained successful because of the honesty >and integrety of the participants. Please continue its >success by carefully adhering to the instructions. > >Welcome to the world of Mail Order! This little business is Is there anything we can do about this kind of abuse of the USENET ? Alain Picard
v053qgzj@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (David M Snyderman) (03/22/91)
In article <1991Mar21.190536.537@nntp-server.caltech.edu>, ap@deimos.caltech.edu (Alain Picard) writes... >In article <248.27e77f8b@mwk.uucp>, tway@mwk.uucp (Bill Tway) writes... >>Follow these instructions EXACTLY, and in 20 to 60 days you >>will have received well over $50,000.00 cash, all yours. > >Is there anything we can do about this kind of abuse of the USENET ? > > Alain Picard Hear, hear! Bandwidth should NOT be wasted for moronic drivel like this. Furthermore, not only is this immoral, but chain letters (that is what that post was) are ILLEGAL. Is anyone policing this system? Freedom of information exchange should NOT extend to attempting to carry on con games on the Net. Etc., etc. Dave
loving@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Mike Loving) (03/22/91)
In article <248.27e77f8b@mwk.uucp> tway@mwk.uucp (Bill Tway) writes: > > > INSTRUCTIONS > ============ >Follow these instructions EXACTLY, and in 20 to 60 days you >will have received well over $50,000.00 cash, all yours. The one thing I have difficulty figuring out, is why would any of the poor schmucks whotake part in this put there name down as number 10? why not cross out #5 and put your name there?
gak@INEL.GOV (Bonzai) (03/22/91)
ap@deimos.caltech.edu (Alain Picard) writes: >In article <248.27e77f8b@mwk.uucp>, tway@mwk.uucp (Bill Tway) writes... ...waste of bandwidth deleted. >>Welcome to the world of Mail Order! This little business is > >Is there anything we can do about this kind of abuse of the USENET ? > > Alain Picard The last time I saw this was in jobs.misc.jobs. But that time (and the one before and the one before....) it was from a student. That was easy. Send mail to the students postmaster and that (at least I heard) took care of it. ie: offensive idiot lost his account. This guy appears from the posting header to work for a private company. Maybe his postmaster cares, maybe not. Maybe he is the postmaster... no one knows. If there was some way to alert his employer to the waste of bandwidth he has caused on company time, maybe the employer would take some sort of action. Personally I sent him a copy of his own post with a rather pointed question at the top: "Are you a total idiot?" Maybe if everyone sends him this sort of mail he'll get the message. maybe it'll overflow somebody's disk... Greg Kelley gak@inel.gov ---Bubba like Bill Tway. Maybe Bubba visit Bill Tway...--- 8-) 8-) Press 'n' now. Don't wait. I warned you... ========== long legal disclaimer follows, press n to skip =========== Neither the United States Government or the Idaho National Engineering Laboratory or any of their employees, makes any warranty, whatsoever, implied, or assumes any legal liability or responsibility regarding any information, disclosed, or represents that its use would not infringe privately owned rights. No specific reference constitutes or implies endorsement, recommendation, or favoring by the United States Government or the Idaho National Engineering Laboratory. The views and opinions expressed herein do not necessarily reflect those of the United States Government or the Idaho National Engineering Laboratory, and shall not be used for advertising or product endorsement purposes.
rreiner@yunexus.YorkU.CA (Richard Reiner) (03/22/91)
ap@deimos.caltech.edu (Alain Picard) writes: >In article <248.27e77f8b@mwk.uucp>, tway@mwk.uucp (Bill Tway) writes... >> >>Welcome to the world of Mail Order! This little business is >Is there anything we can do about this kind of abuse of the USENET ? Yes indeed. Send mail to root@mwk, and complain that one of their users has been promoting illegal activities, and doing it in a way blatantly contrary to network guidelines. //richard
stanley@phoenix.com (John Stanley) (03/23/91)
loving@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Mike Loving) writes: > In article <248.27e77f8b@mwk.uucp> tway@mwk.uucp (Bill Tway) writes: > > > > > > INSTRUCTIONS > > ============ > >Follow these instructions EXACTLY, and in 20 to 60 days you > >will have received well over $50,000.00 cash, all yours. > > The one thing I have difficulty figuring out, is why would any of the > poor schmucks whotake part in this put there name down as number > 10? why not cross out #5 and put your name there? A back of the envelope calculation: If your name is in slot 10, and you mail 100 letters with 10% response, and everyone else does the same, you will get 10^11 dollars. 10 from the ones that respond to you, 10*10 from the ones that respond to the 10 that responded from you ... If you put your name in slot 5, you will get only 10^6 dollars, since your name will pop off the top quicker. At the extreme, put your name in slot 1. You get ten dollars, and then your name pops off the top of the list. Now, if we assume that the system will work, this is also a reason NOT to put your name in slot 10, your wife in slot 9, your kids in slot 8, etc. You get more in the beginning, but since the return is exponential and you are stopping sooner, you get less overall. If you know the system will not run to completion, then you SHOULD put spouse in 9, etc.
lev@suned2.nswses.Navy.MIL (Lloyd E Vancil) (03/23/91)
In article <1991Mar21.190536.537@nntp-server.caltech.edu> ap@deimos.caltech.edu writes: about by now familiar pyrimid/chain letter schemer > >Is there anything we can do about this kind of abuse of the USENET ? > > Alain Picard YES 1. spend a dime and findout the # of the company this CLOWN was calling from 2. Call and talk to their Personnel manager. Tell this person what is being done. Electronic Mail Fraud is not Leagal! Be careful to explain, in general terms, the size of USENET/INTERNET/etc.. 3. Send them a copy of the message via FAX if possible. If these CLOWNS are stomped on as they appear they will stop showing up. I firmly believe WE must police the use of the net space ourselves or someone will do it for us. This type of !@#$%^&* is just the excuse some empire- building burea!@#$%^&*(crat will use to regulate us. ***********Note.... Steps 1 through 3 were complete by 08:30PST 03/21/91 L. -- * suned1!lev@elroy.JPL.Nasa.Gov sun!suntzu!suned1!lev . lev@suned1.nswses.navy.mil + . + * S.T.A.R.S.! The revolution has begun! * ----------------- My employer has no opinions. These are mine! ----------------
poffen@sj.ate.slb.com (Russ Poffenberger) (03/23/91)
In article <8714@suned1.Nswses.Navy.MIL> lev@suned1.UUCP (Lloyd E Vancil) writes: >In article <27E8C7A9.7270@orion.oac.uci.edu> dkrause@orion.oac.uci.edu (Doug Krause) writes: >>#Welcome to the world of Mail Order! >> >>Welcome to the world of Mail Fraud! > > Welcome to the world of electronic mail fraud > it had to happen sooner or later. > Everybody send this a**hole e-mail telling him to keep this crap off netnews. He has posted this to several newsgroups. Russ Poffenberger DOMAIN: poffen@sj.ate.slb.com Schlumberger Technologies UUCP: {uunet,decwrl,amdahl}!sjsca4!poffen 1601 Technology Drive CIS: 72401,276 San Jose, Ca. 95110 (408)437-5254
davem@nro.cs.athabascau.ca (Dave McCrady) (03/23/91)
loving@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Mike Loving) writes: > In article <248.27e77f8b@mwk.uucp> tway@mwk.uucp (Bill Tway) writes: > > > > > > INSTRUCTIONS > > ============ > >Follow these instructions EXACTLY, and in 20 to 60 days you > >will have received well over $50,000.00 cash, all yours. > > The one thing I have difficulty figuring out, is why would any of the > poor schmucks whotake part in this put there name down as number > 10? why not cross out #5 and put your name there? .. which is exactly what I have seen done more than once ... people who post this kind of crap ought to be strung up by the thumbs... Dave McCrady | ersys!davem@nro.cs.athabascau.ca +1 403-454-4054 (voice) | Disclaimer? Who needs a disclaimer? +1 403-454-6093 (public USENET) | I >own< the joint.
darcy@druid.uucp (D'Arcy J.M. Cain) (03/23/91)
In article <1991Mar21.234834.7338@cs.ucla.edu> Mike Loving writes: >In article <248.27e77f8b@mwk.uucp> tway@mwk.uucp (Bill Tway) writes: >> [ Immoral and illegal chain letter deleted ] >The one thing I have difficulty figuring out, is why would any of the >poor schmucks whotake part in this put there name down as number >10? why not cross out #5 and put your name there? Geometric progression. The lower down on the list you start, the more you theoretically get back. In fact if you put yourself at the top of the list you only get back $1 for each person you send it to. Of course, the lower down you are the more chance of running out of stupid people before your name gets to the top but there doesn't seem to be much danger there. This is not the right newsgroup to discuss this. Follow-up to misc.consumers. -- D'Arcy J.M. Cain (darcy@druid) | D'Arcy Cain Consulting | There's no government Toronto, Ontario, Canada | like no government! +1 416 424 2871 |
ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Nur Iskandar Taib) (03/25/91)
>The one thing I have difficulty figuring out, is why would any of the >poor schmucks whotake part in this put there name down as number >10? why not cross out #5 and put your name there? Hehehe.. maybe its because by the time you'd get to #1 there haven't been as many "generations"? So you'd get less? Come to think of it, why not extend the list to 100 and put your name all the way down there? Even bet- ter: put your name in all the spots from 5-10. Mail it to yourself five times if your conscience bothers you.. 8-) Oh yes.. I suppose you'd better give yourself a dollar each time you do so.. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Iskandar Taib | The only thing worse than Peach ala Internet: NTAIB@AQUA.UCS.INDIANA.EDU | Frog is Frog ala Peach Bitnet: NTAIB@IUBACS ! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------