[comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware] Soundblaster

jpk@chvax.uucp (Jean-Pierre Kousz System Manager UNIGS) (10/23/90)

I have a soundblaster board with midi box in my pc. Now I'm searching
software with a driver for this box (the adlib software doesn't work).
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meattle@aludra.usc.edu (Saumya Meattle) (04/25/91)

Hi,

  I was thinking of buying a soundcard for my pc compatible... and I guess
have nearly settled on a CMS Soundblaster... My budget is about 160$ or less..
Could someone please tell me the best place to buy that card from...or if you
know of a card with similar capabilty below that price... 
Does the sound blaster have stereo music?
Is there any place which sells the adlib for below 80$...
all details appreciated...
 
                     Thanks..
                            Saumya

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meattle@aludra.usc.edu (Saumya Meattle) (04/26/91)

Hi..

I was planning to buy a soundblaster but I got mail messages saying that
the companies making the soundblaster, adlib and roland roland were coming
out soon with new music cards.. do you think it it worth waiting?
Does anybody have any info about the release schedule and the capabilites
of the new cards.. more important what is the approx. price of the new
cards.. 

Please reply by private email...
                                Thanks..
      
                                     Saumya

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gurganus@en.ecn.purdue.edu (James P Gurganus) (04/27/91)

I've got an Adlib card right now with a 386SX-16.  I may soon have
the opportunity to buy a 486.  I heard from somewhere that the
Soundblaster cards don't function properly in high speed machines 
(like a 386-33).  So, is this true?  And if so, at what level of
speed does the Soundblaster start to mess up?  (Could I use a
Soundblaster in a 486 or 386 without the turbo button on?)  Does
the same problem affecting the Soundblaster also effect the Adlib??
I'd like to get a Soundblaster because of its extra features...

Thanks for any information!

James Gurganus (gurganus@en.ecn.purdue.edu)

smsmith@hpuxa.acs.ohio-state.edu (Stephen M. Smith) (04/27/91)

gurganus@en.ecn.purdue.edu (James P Gurganus) writes:
>
>I've got an Adlib card right now with a 386SX-16.  I may soon have
>the opportunity to buy a 486.  I heard from somewhere that the
>Soundblaster cards don't function properly in high speed machines 
>(like a 386-33).  So, is this true?  And if so, at what level of
>speed does the Soundblaster start to mess up?  (Could I use a
>Soundblaster in a 486 or 386 without the turbo button on?)  Does
>the same problem affecting the Soundblaster also effect the Adlib??
>James Gurganus (gurganus@en.ecn.purdue.edu)

As far as I know the speed problem occurs only on 386-33's and
only with Soundblasters.  It's a software problem, not a
hardware problem.  Here's a summary of responses I posted one
or two months ago after I complained about Soundblaster's
"incompatibilities" with my new 386-33:

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Thanks to all of you who responded!  I got over a dozen email
letters from 386-33 owners.

My problem was (is) that my Soundblaster would not work correctly
with most of the games I had.  Symptoms included buzzing, screeching,
missed notes, and tinny music.  The severity of the problem depended
on the game I was running.  Ultima VI was the worst.  Wing 
Commander sounded OK (usually) though now and then there were 
sustained notes that could only be remedied by exiting to DOS and
restarting the game.

About half of the 386-33 owners who emailed me said they had the
same problems with the same games.  One person said that I should
just forget about running a SB on a 386-33 because everyone they
knew who had a SB in their 386-33 had problems with it.

Those that experienced no problems were usually not running the
same games as I was, so I realized that different software had
different effects.  

One very informed person posted an article in response to mine
(you may have read it).  This person, in summary, said that the
problem had to do with the drivers written for the particular
game, and that the fault was Creative Lab's because they sent out
the wrong info to the game developers.  Apparently there are timing
problems with faster machines, and the drivers need to be written
so that they will work correctly on 386-33's.

This explains why some games work OK and others don't.  Here again
are the games I'm running:

Ultima VI: Screeching, tinny music, missed notes.
Krynn: same as Ultima VI
Secret: same as Ultima VI
Wing Commander: OK 99% of the time; occasional sustained buzzing.

My major concern, and the motivating force which led me to post
my query to the net, was that I thought it could be a hardware
problem; so I wanted to take care of it as soon as I could while
everything was still under warranty.  

Temporary solutions:

1) Run system at a slower speed.  Works fine.
2) Turn memory cache off.  Works fine.
3) Run application with QEMM loaded.  Helps to slow things down
   a bit so that the screeching goes away, but Ultima VI still
   sounds funky.

Conclusions:

It's a software problem which hopefully will be ironed out as new
games are developed.  Now I just configure my system so that it will
be OK for the particular game I'm playing: Turn cache off for Ultima
VI and SSI games, and no change needed for Wing Commander.

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bmarsh@cod.NOSC.MIL (William C. Marsh) (04/27/91)

In article <1991Apr26.192948.13193@en.ecn.purdue.edu> gurganus@en.ecn.purdue.edu (James P Gurganus) writes:
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>                               I heard from somewhere that the
>Soundblaster cards don't function properly in high speed machines 
>(like a 386-33).  So, is this true?

The problem with the Sound Blaster and fast machines was a software problem,
not something inherent with the boards.  There is fixed software available
on their BBS (At least there was a long time ago when I called it up).  Also,
a friend has a Sound Blaster installed in his Micronix 386/33 machine with
no problems.

Bill
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burkey@duncan.cs.utk.edu (Michael Burkey) (04/28/91)

Some of these problems,
 (ie hung note on wing commander)
 happen even of 25Mhz 386's. Also, the record to disk functions occasionally
 bomb and lock up on high speed 386's with IDE hard drives!!!

 SBlasters are nice but the drivers really suck.
 I think the hardware DMA/IRQ support could use a little work as well.

M Burkey

bjorn@valhalla.esd.sgi.com (Bjorn Lindstrom) (04/30/91)

In article <1991Apr28.032255.27738@cs.utk.edu>, burkey@duncan.cs.utk.edu (Michael Burkey) writes:
|> Some of these problems,
|>  (ie hung note on wing commander)
|>  happen even of 25Mhz 386's. Also, the record to disk functions occasionally
|>  bomb and lock up on high speed 386's with IDE hard drives!!!
|> 
|>  SBlasters are nice but the drivers really suck.
|>  I think the hardware DMA/IRQ support could use a little work as well.
|> 
|> M Burkey

I have heard about problems with the 386's and 486's using the SoundBlaster.
Apparently, the SoundBlaster does not use "well-behaved" code.  This naughty
code conflicts with the caching of memory, and can usually be fixed by
disabling the ram cache for applications that use the SoundBlaster.  I don't
know if there are newer versions that are better-behaved, but the dealer
you purchased the 386 from should be able to tell you how to temporarily
disable the cache using software, if the machine did not come with a utility
to do this already.

Good luck,  and if anyone has anything different to say... FLAME ME.  I am
only relating information I have heard, and I am only trying to help.

Bjorn

tlo@cbnewsj.att.com (trevor.l.obermann) (05/01/91)

In article <1991Apr26.192948.13193@en.ecn.purdue.edu> gurganus@en.ecn.purdue.edu (James P Gurganus) writes:
> 
> I've got an Adlib card right now with a 386SX-16.  I may soon have
> the opportunity to buy a 486.  I heard from somewhere that the
> Soundblaster cards don't function properly in high speed machines 
> (like a 386-33).  So, is this true?  And if so, at what level of
> speed does the Soundblaster start to mess up?  (Could I use a
> Soundblaster in a 486 or 386 without the turbo button on?)  Does
> the same problem affecting the Soundblaster also effect the Adlib??
> I'd like to get a Soundblaster because of its extra features...
> 
> Thanks for any information!
> 
> James Gurganus (gurganus@en.ecn.purdue.edu)

In my experience with the Sound blaster card in my 80486 (33mhz) I have had no
problems with it at any speed.

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burkey@duncan.cs.utk.edu (Michael Burkey) (05/07/91)

Thanks for the advice.
However, I AM the dealer for this unit and disabling the cache does not help
matters at all. I'm beginning to suspect a collision between the DMA on my
IDE hard drive and the sound blaster.

Mike

brian@clipper.ingr.com (Brian Smith) (06/25/91)

   I just purchased a Sound-Blaster board and was a little disappointed to
find that very little technical info comes with it. I want to play around
with voice samples in conjunction with a neural net but, the booklet that
comes with the board barely mentions the hardware at all.

   They offer to sell you a technical data book and a software library for
$100 but, I don't want the software tools, I just want to know what the ports
do so I can write my own code for the DAC and ADC.

   Can anyone tell me where I can get this information without having to pay
for a bunch of stuff I don't want? The booklet does give the address for each
of the ports but, the info isn't very descriptive. Anybody know the details?

		- Brian -

sap@sactoh0.sac.ca.us (Stephan A. Puga) (06/27/91)

My SB won't work in the cmoputer I have!  (Has anyone heard of HD
Computers?)  I keep getting error 0400 when running the TEST-SBC program.
I know I have AMI BIOS (I'm running a 33MHz '386).  I have run the Checkit
program and none of the cards installed use DMA channel #1 so I don't
understand how a conflict could occur (unless it is a bad motherboard
design).  Should I sell this thing and try for a Soundmaster?
 
Any help would be appreciated!
 
                                         Stephan A. Puga
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mnrausch@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Martin Rausche) (06/27/91)

sap@sactoh0.sac.ca.us (Stephan A. Puga) writes:

>My SB won't work in the cmoputer I have!  (Has anyone heard of HD
>Computers?)  I keep getting error 0400 when running the TEST-SBC program.
>I know I have AMI BIOS (I'm running a 33MHz '386).  I have run the Checkit
>program and none of the cards installed use DMA channel #1 so I don't
>understand how a conflict could occur (unless it is a bad motherboard
>design).  Should I sell this thing and try for a Soundmaster?
> 
>Any help would be appreciated!

I know about this problem with C&T motherboards. In my case only a change
of the motherboard fixed this problem. (My local dealer fixed this problem
for free !!!!!!!!!). I use a SIS motherboard now.
Maybe you've a similar problem, but I don`t know whether switching to 
Soundmaster can fix that problem or not. 

Martin.

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