everett@hpcvra.CV.HP.COM (Everett Kaser) (10/06/90)
I thought this group (comp.sys.ibm.pc.programmer) was supposed to go away some time after the creation of comp.os.msdos.programmer. What's the scoop? Everett Kaser Hewlett-Packard Company ...hplabs!hp-pcd!everett work: (503) 750-3569 Corvallis, Oregon everett%hpcvra@hplabs.hp.com home: (503) 928-5259 Albany, Oregon
mun@hpcc01.HP.COM (Duane T. Mun) (10/06/90)
In article <32430004@hpcvra.CV.HP.COM> everett@hpcvra.CV.HP.COM (Everett Kaser) writes: >I thought this group (comp.sys.ibm.pc.programmer) was supposed to go away >some time after the creation of comp.os.msdos.programmer. What's the scoop? I thought so too, along with some other groups. Here is a posting I found from a ways back: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From rja@edison.cho.ge.com Sun Jun 3 10:11:34 1990 Relay-Version: version Notes 2.8.2(CCC-PROD2.5 89/3/15) 87/11/24; site hpcc01.HP.COM From: rja@edison.cho.ge.com (rja) Date: Sun, 3 Jun 1990 17:11:34 GMT Date-Received: Sun, 3 Jun 1990 19:04:43 GMT Subject: Coming Newsgroup Changes Message-ID: <9006031711.AA22157@edison.CHO.GE.COM> Path: hpcc01!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!ucsd!ucbvax!edison.cho.ge.com!rja Newsgroups: comp.os.os2 Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Reply-To: rja <rja@edison.cho.ge.com> Lines: 57 This posting is intended to make sure that all are informed of the soon-to-be-implemented changes in the IBM PC related newsgroups. Everything described here was discussed, voted upon, and passed the normal net.guidelines so this isn't some arbitrary illegal change. The new groups below will be created: comp.os.os2.apps -- for OS/2 applications discussions comp.os.os2.programmer -- for OS/2 programmer discussions comp.os.os2.misc -- for all other OS/2 stuff comp.os.msdos.apps -- for MS-DOS applications discussions comp.os.msdos.programmer -- for MS-DOS programmer discussions comp.os.msdos.misc -- for all other MS-DOS stuff comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware -- XT/AT/EISA hardware (any vendor) comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware -- Microchannel hardware (any vendor) comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc -- Everything else for IBM PCs & compatibles Then about a month from now, the groups below will be deleted and the traffic in these groups-to-be-removed should appear in the single most appropriate group that has been created above (or another existing newsgroup). comp.os.os2 -- note 3 new OS/2 groups above comp.sys.ibm.pc.programmer -- note 2 new programmer groups above comp.sys.ibm.pc -- note ALL of the new groups above Here are some examples of where existing discussions fit in the new framework: programming languages and the API and BIOSes and such are all in comp.os.{msdos or os2}.programmer questions about what hardware can be used with what OS are in the hardware groups as would be discussions of printers, displays, keyboards,... discussions of databases, spreadsheets, wordprocessors, shareware, freeware, tools, & other applications would belong in ~.apps discussions/questions about installing an OS or getting the config.sys correct or using the OS user-level commands would all go into comp.os.{os2 or msdos}.misc TCP/IP networks for PCs under whichever OS are discussed in comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc and this will not change at all. The existing newsgroup alt.msdos.programmer is not in USENET proper and so is not going to be changed by me or any USENET vote. I would urge however that once the new comp.os.{ os2 or msdos}.programmer groups have been created that the folks on ALTNET rmgroup alt.msdos.programmer and use the USENET group comp.os.msdos.programmer instead. The signal/noise ratio of the newly cretaed USENET groups should be excellent and there is no particularly good purpose (IMHO) served by having two newsgroups with the same charter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- dtm
davidsen@sixhub.UUCP (Wm E. Davidsen Jr) (10/07/90)
In article <1770001@hpcc01.HP.COM> mun@hpcc01.HP.COM (Duane T. Mun) writes: | In article <32430004@hpcvra.CV.HP.COM> everett@hpcvra.CV.HP.COM (Everett Kaser) writes: | | >I thought this group (comp.sys.ibm.pc.programmer) was supposed to go away | >some time after the creation of comp.os.msdos.programmer. What's the scoop? | | I thought so too, along with some other groups. Here is a posting I found | from a ways back: It has gone away. Someone has installed an alias for you, so you think you're posting to ibm.pc.prog, but most people are getting you as os.msdos.prog (which is where this was). -- bill davidsen - davidsen@sixhub.uucp (uunet!crdgw1!sixhub!davidsen) sysop *IX BBS and Public Access UNIX moderator of comp.binaries.ibm.pc and 80386 mailing list "Stupidity, like virtue, is its own reward" -me
everett@hpcvra.CV.HP.COM (Everett Kaser) (10/09/90)
Sorry, Bill, someone may have set up an alias for you on your machine, but at this site, we're still getting the old group as a unique group (ie, the notes arriving in the two groups are two partially overlapping subsets of a larger set; some notes appear in one but not the other, and vice-versa, with some notes appearing in both). This would indicate to me that (at least in some parts of the net) the old group still lives on :-). Admittedly, I don't know a lot about the nitty-gritty working details of notes, but if the old group really doesn't exist anymore, why aren't they both the same? Everett Kaser Hewlett-Packard Company ...hplabs!hp-pcd!everett work: (503) 750-3569 Corvallis, Oregon everett%hpcvra@hplabs.hp.com home: (503) 928-5259 Albany, Oregon
boutell@freezer.it.udel.edu (Tom Boutell) (10/09/90)
Actually, it's not gone; comp.sys.ibm.pc.programmer still exists on my machine, along with comp.os.msdos.programmer. -- What do you want from the fish of the fish that you fished when you fished for the fish that you fished? How many numchuks could Chuck chuck if Chuck could chuck numchuks? boutell@freezer.it.udel.edu? Or 27.598234821? Or not?
gday@digigw.digital.co.jp (Gordon Day) (10/11/90)
In article <31600005@hpcvra.CV.HP.COM>, everett@hpcvra.CV.HP.COM (Everett Kaser) writes: > Sorry, Bill, someone may have set up an alias for you on your machine, but at > this site, we're still getting the old group as a unique group . . > a lot about the nitty-gritty working details of notes, but if the old group > really doesn't exist anymore, why aren't they both the same? If both groups really still exist on your machine then your news administrator has not been doing his job. The original comp.ibm.pc.programmer group should have been removed and an alias created for it referencing comp.os.msdos.programmer -- if this has not been done you should have a word with your administrator. Anyway, this sort of discussion doesn't really belong here (try posting to news.admin :-). Ta, Gordon W. Day