jhl@kira.msu.edu (John Lawitzke) (11/09/90)
Could someone provide me with a comparison between Turbo C++ 1.0 and Microsoft C 6.0. I don't want to hear: "Turbo is C++ and Microsoft is not". I would like to hear about there relative merits as straight C compilers. Also has Codeview changed between C 5.1 and C 6.0? -- j |%|John Lawitzke, Dale Computer Corp., R&D |%|UUCP: uunet!mailrus!sharkey!dale1!jhl |%| or: uunet!frith!dale1!jhl Inquiring minds just wondering. |%|Internet: jhl@frith.egr.msu.edu
david@metapyr.UUCP (David Relson) (11/14/90)
Codeview has changed considerably between MSC 5.1 and 6.0. It is considerably more powerful, can display more stuff on screen, allows displaying structures and following pointers (for example a linked list of structures), can replay your run history (remembers breakpoints, etc & can restart program and replay what you have done), can undo (replay to breakpoint previous to last one). It will also run from extended memory on 286 and 386 machines, leaving much more room for the program being debugged. In going from version 2.x to 3.x, Codeview has improved one heck of a lot!!
bcw@rti.rti.org (Bruce Wright) (11/19/90)
In article <1990Nov9.130326.657@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>, jhl@kira.msu.edu (John Lawitzke) writes: > Could someone provide me with a comparison between Turbo C++ 1.0 and > Microsoft C 6.0. I don't want to hear: "Turbo is C++ and Microsoft is > not". I would like to hear about there relative merits as straight C > compilers. Also has Codeview changed between C 5.1 and C 6.0? I can't give a complete comparison of the Borland compilers vs the Microsoft compilers (I don't use the Borland compilers, for reasons that will soon become obvious), but I have used the Microsoft C compiler for quite a while. The major problem with the Borland compilers from my point of view is that they don't support Windows. End of story. There are rumors that they may do so "eventually", and it should be possible to kludge around the problems with copious assembly code, but it's a tremendous pain and not worth doing it for my purposes. If this is important to you, then that may remove Borland from the picture (you might look at Zortech instead, I've just continued to use the Microsoft C because of inertia; I've had it since about C 2.0 or 3.0, I forget which, and it always seemed easiest to just upgrade the compiler rather than go with Zortech, but I've heard that the Zortech C++ is pretty good and it does do Windows). Codeview has changed somewhat between C 5.1 and C 6.0, I believe that it no longer requires such enormous object modules and can live in extended memory. But I hardly ever use Codeview anyway, so I'm not the best person to ask about changes in it. Bruce C. Wright
minar@reed.bitnet (Nelson Minar,L08,x640,7776519) (11/21/90)
Rumour has it that Turbo Pascal 6.0 is out, and that it either does Windows now or is REAL close to doing them... I've also heard of beta version of Turbo C++ that do Windows code. I think it is safe to assume that Borland will be there very soon. The more important question is, why write Windows code? :)
jmann@angmar.sw.stratus.com (Jim Mann) (11/22/90)
In article <15719@reed.UUCP>, minar@reed.bitnet (Nelson Minar,L08,x640,7776519) writes: |>I think it is safe to assume that Borland will be there very soon. The more |>important question is, why write Windows code? :) Because, like it or not, more and more of the PC world is switching to Windows. Look at the ads from the major mail order houses. They now make a big deal about which applications are for Windows. My question is: will Microsoft or anyone be releasing a scaled-down SDK (maybe just including the libraries, the linker, and the windows.h include file) so that those hobbyist among us who want to fool around with writing code for our PCs because it's fun can write Windows apps. I certainly can't afford or justify the $300+ dollars for the SDK, just so I can play around with Windows. Jim Mann Stratus Computer jim_mann@es.stratus.com
poffen@sj.ate.slb.com (Russ Poffenberger) (11/22/90)
In article <3197@lectroid.sw.stratus.com> jmann@angmar.sw.stratus.com (Jim Mann) writes: >In article <15719@reed.UUCP>, minar@reed.bitnet (Nelson >Minar,L08,x640,7776519) writes: > >|>I think it is safe to assume that Borland will be there very soon. The more >|>important question is, why write Windows code? :) > >Because, like it or not, more and more of the PC world is switching to >Windows. Look at the ads from the major mail order houses. They now >make a big deal about which applications are for Windows. > >My question is: will Microsoft or anyone be releasing a scaled-down SDK >(maybe just including the libraries, the linker, and the windows.h include >file) so that those hobbyist among us who want to fool around with writing >code for our PCs because it's fun can write Windows apps. I certainly >can't afford or justify the $300+ dollars for the SDK, just so I >can play around with Windows. > You would have a hard time doing much with less than you get with the SDK now. The SDK DOES NOT include a compiler, (or linker if I remember). It does give you the libraries, resource compiler, and header files. It also has CVW which is the debugger for windows which you probably need. Other than that, it has some tools to ease development, perhaps they could be left out, but they don't constitute the bulk of the SDK price I am sure. Russ Poffenberger DOMAIN: poffen@sj.ate.slb.com Schlumberger Technologies UUCP: {uunet,decwrl,amdahl}!sjsca4!poffen 1601 Technology Drive CIS: 72401,276 San Jose, Ca. 95110 (408)437-5254
jdb@beach.cis.ufl.edu (Brian W.K. Hook) (11/22/90)
From what I understand, the assorted trade presses (ie. InfoWorld and PC Week) all state that Borland has been demoing near-beta turbo C++ for Windows and Pascal 6.0 for windows. Of interest, also, is that they may make an SDK workalike....I don't see how without infringing copyrights, but it is stated in the latest PC Week. Another question...I have heard the Turbo C++ 1.00 is suffering from many minor bugs....does anyone know what version it is up to and where I can upgrade?
mlord@bwdls58.bnr.ca (Mark Lord) (11/23/90)
In article <25553@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU> (Brian W.K. Hook) writes: > >Another question...I have heard the Turbo C++ 1.00 is suffering from many minor >bugs....does anyone know what version it is up to and where I can upgrade? Borland is now shpping TC++ 1.01. If you own TC++ 1.0, simply call their technical support and ask for it (FREE!). -- ___Mark S. Lord__________________________________________ | ..uunet!bnrgate!mlord%bmerh724 | Climb Free Or Die (NH) | | MLORD@BNR.CA Ottawa, Ontario | Personal views only. | |________________________________|________________________|
joe@proto.COM (Joe Huffman) (11/26/90)
In article <25553@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU>, jdb@beach.cis.ufl.edu (Brian W.K. Hook) writes: > From what I understand, the assorted trade presses (ie. InfoWorld and PC Week) > all state that Borland has been demoing near-beta turbo C++ for Windows and > Pascal 6.0 for windows. Of interest, also, is that they may make an SDK Borland was 'sneak previewing' Turbo Pascal for Windows at COMDEX. Said that it would ship sometime in the first half of 1991. They refused to comment on when Turbo C++ for Windows would ship. They did say that they were committed to supporting Windows and OS/2 but declined to be pinned down on when. >Another question...I have heard the Turbo C++ 1.00 is suffering from many minor >bugs....does anyone know what version it is up to and where I can upgrade? Doesn't matter what version of Turbo C++ you have, ... you can upgrade to Zortech C/C++ by calling 800-848-8408. Zortech has been shipping a Windows and OS/2 compatiable C++ compiler for several months now. And with a '.EDU' in your email address you qualify for a educational discount. --- Zortech mailing list: send email to 'ztc-list-request@uunet.uu.net' with: Add: your-user-name@your-machine-name In the body of the message. --- Send Zortech bug reports to 'zortech-bugs@proto.com' Send requests for educational discounts to 'zortech-ed@proto.com' --- Zortech is my major source of income. Statements about them or their competitors cannot be totally without bias. -- joe@proto.com FAX: 208-263-8772
joe@proto.COM (Joe Huffman) (11/29/90)
In article <1469@proto.COM>, I wrote: > Doesn't matter what version of Turbo C++ you have, ... you can upgrade to > Zortech C/C++ by calling 800-848-8408. Zortech has been shipping a > Windows and OS/2 compatiable C++ compiler for several months now. And > with a '.EDU' in your email address you qualify for a educational > discount. I got a call from our (Zortech) sales manager asking if I knew something she didn't (bit of sarcasm detected) about discounts for the compiler. It turns out that the phones have been very busy with people wanting to trade in their Borland compiler to get a discount on the Zortech compiler. That's not what I intended to imply with my message. I meant that you could get a compiler that does a lot of the things that you only wish the Turbo C/C++ compiler did by buying the Zortech compiler (upgrade from the inferior Borland product to the superior Zortech product -- so to speak). Zortech does not currently have a discount for you if you currently own the Borland product. Sorry. Current educational discount prices are $75.00 for compiler only, $200.00 for development system (debugger, compiler, C++ tools -- a class library, plus source code for the runtime library -- Flash Graphics library source available separately). Site licenses are available. Call for details. -- joe@proto.com FAX: 208-263-8772