jdb@reef.cis.ufl.edu (Brian K. W. Hook) (03/26/91)
Is it just me or is Borland royally shafting C developers? I mean, we have TP for Windows (which INCLUDES Windows classes!), we have TP 6.0 with ObjectVision, and we have ObjectVision....all include GUI classes. And now we have BC++, which is highly popular, with NO GUI classes built in. I feel like we're getting ripped. Then again, maybe I just don't want to code in Pascal and am whining.... *sigh*
daveg@intruder.clearpoint.com (Dave Goldblatt) (03/26/91)
[Sorry for what may seem to be a flame, but this stuff is really
starting to irk me.]
In article <27645@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU> jdb@reef.cis.ufl.edu (Brian K. W. Hook) writes:
Is it just me or is Borland royally shafting C developers? I mean, we have
TP for Windows (which INCLUDES Windows classes!), we have TP 6.0 with
ObjectVision, and we have ObjectVision....all include GUI classes. And now
we have BC++, which is highly popular, with NO GUI classes built in. I
feel like we're getting ripped.
Fine. Don't use Borland, then. Buy Microsoft C. But wait! It doesn't
include Windows classes either! In fact, it doesn't even include a C++
compiler!
Borland has said that at some point they may add similar functionality
to Borland C++. If you need them now, go out and buy a commercial
package! There's plenty of them out there! I'd much prefer that
Borland's R&D would be spent on enhancing their language products than
putting out classes which I'd probably end up rewriting anyway.
Then again, maybe I just don't want to code in Pascal and am whining....
This sounds like it's the case. Sorry, but you said it. :-)
Would you be willing to spend another $250 on the Borland C++ compiler if
they included a basic class library? No? Then what's the problem?
How much did you pay for your Borland C++? Did you get it through the
upgrade? Irregardless of that, sit down and figure out how much MS C 6.0
and the SDK would cost you.
"Getting ripped" certainly doesn't qualify.
*sigh*
Yeah. I'm sorry, but I'm really tired of this sort of complaint. If
you need a GUI library, WRITE ONE. Then give it away (a la GNU).
Needless to say, these are MY opinions. You may share them, and if
so, I sympathize. :-)
-dg-
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- Queen | 35 Parkwood Dr., Hopkinton, MApoffen@sj.ate.slb.com (Russ Poffenberger) (03/27/91)
In article <27645@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU> jdb@reef.cis.ufl.edu (Brian K. W. Hook) writes: > >Is it just me or is Borland royally shafting C developers? I mean, we have >TP for Windows (which INCLUDES Windows classes!), we have TP 6.0 with >ObjectVision, and we have ObjectVision....all include GUI classes. And now >we have BC++, which is highly popular, with NO GUI classes built in. I >feel like we're getting ripped. > >Then again, maybe I just don't want to code in Pascal and am whining.... > Well, considering that uSoft's alternative costs twice as much, it is not a bad deal. Russ Poffenberger DOMAIN: poffen@sj.ate.slb.com Schlumberger Technologies UUCP: {uunet,decwrl,amdahl}!sjsca4!poffen 1601 Technology Drive CIS: 72401,276 San Jose, Ca. 95110 (408)437-5254
rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) (03/28/91)
In article <1991Mar26.212334.3100@sj.ate.slb.com> poffen@SunOS (Russ Poffenberger) writes: >In article <27645@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU> jdb@reef.cis.ufl.edu (Brian K. W. Hook) writes: >> >>Is it just me or is Borland royally shafting C developers? I mean, we have >>TP for Windows (which INCLUDES Windows classes!), we have TP 6.0 with >>ObjectVision, and we have ObjectVision....all include GUI classes. And now >>we have BC++, which is highly popular, with NO GUI classes built in. I >>feel like we're getting ripped. >> >>Then again, maybe I just don't want to code in Pascal and am whining.... >> > >Well, considering that uSoft's alternative costs twice as much, it is not a bad >deal. Especially when you can take the money you would have paid Borland for those classes and get a real Windows class library. There are pleny of them out there. I imagine that's why they weren't included... If you want them you can get them, and Borland didn't want to stomp on any of those companies if they didn't have to.
shaunc@gold.gvg.tek.com (Shaun Case) (03/28/91)
In article <27645@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU> jdb@reef.cis.ufl.edu (Brian K. W. Hook) writes: >Is it just me or is Borland royally shafting C developers? I mean, we have >TP for Windows (which INCLUDES Windows classes!), we have TP 6.0 with >ObjectVision, and we have ObjectVision....all include GUI classes. And now >we have BC++, which is highly popular, with NO GUI classes built in. I >feel like we're getting ripped. It seems that Borland's Pascal development is always ahead of its C development. Turbo Pascal was OOP long before Turbo C was. Remember, Turbo Pascal is what they started with, and I suppose their most experienced programmers are the TP compiler writers. If you wait a few months, I'll bet you will see ObjectVision for BC++, once they let all those unsuspecting TP users iron out the bugs! :-) This is a hypothesis esoupsed by a friend; neither he nor I really have any clue what the real story is, but it seems plausible. -- Shaun Case: shaunc@gold.gvg.tek.com or atman%ecst.csuchico.edu@RELAY.CS.NET or Shaun Case of 1:119/666.0 (Fidonet) or 1@9651 (WWIVnet) --- It's enough to destroy a young moose's faith!