scott@cs.hw.ac.uk (Scott Telford) (03/28/91)
In article <21481@shlump.nac.dec.com> heintze@fmcsse.enet.dec.com (Sieg Heintze) writes: >... I started to do it in ZWB (zortech's >editor) where they let you define a single macro. Unfortunatly, I could not >figure out how to specify a repeat count! (I hope this is a feature missing >from the documentation. I cannot imagine implementing a macro feature in an >editor and not letting the user specify a repeat count!) >After giving up on ZWB and TC (Borlands editor) I finally uploaded to VMS >where I used my EVE extensions to do it in a couple of key strokes and then >downloaded it again. What a pain. There SHOULD be a better way. >What is your favorite way of executing something repeatedly in MSDOS? This sort of thing's really easy in MicroEMACS. You press Ctrl-X ( to start recording a keyboard macro, Ctrl-X ) to stop and Ctrl-X E to play it back. You can set a repeat count with ESC <number> Ctrl-X E. I expect Jove and other DOS Emacsen to work similarly. Of course, everybody should be using Emacs-type editors...I would never use anything else ;^) _____________________________________________________________________________ | Scott Telford, Dept of Computer Science, scott@cs.hw.ac.uk | | Heriot-Watt University, Edinburgh, UK. scott%hwcs@ukc.uucp | |_____ "Expect the unexpected." (The Hitch-Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy) ______|
davis@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu ("John E. Davis") (03/30/91)
In article <2648@odin.cs.hw.ac.uk> scott@cs.hw.ac.uk (Scott Telford) writes:
[...]
Of course, everybody should be using Emacs-type editors...I would never use
anything else ;^)
Which emacs editor do people use for pc's? I know of only two: MicroEmacs and
Freemacs. I find Micro-Emacs kind of buggy (I cannot redefine ^U-- try it;
the functions have different names than emacs, eg, bind-to-key vs
global-set-key) and Freemacs has a wierd extension language (mint). Which of
these two emacs-like editors (assuming only two) do most people prefer?
(either email or post an opinion and I will post a summary)
Since I have totally redefined my keys from the normal emacs bindings, I
cannot use an editor which does not allow me to redefine the keys. So I do not
consider an emacs-type editor which does not allow me to redefine the keys to
be an emacs-type editor. At this point I use MicroEmacs but it only supports
two keymaps: ^X and ^[. What about Freemacs? Does it support multiple
keymaps? If so then I would appreciate it if someone were to send me a sample
mint source for Freemacs which redefines some keys and things. In addition,
does Freemacs blink matching {}[]() like emacs and does it have a C-mode?
Thanks,
--
John
bitnet: davis@ohstpy
internet: davis@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edurreiner@yunexus.YorkU.CA (Richard Reiner) (03/30/91)
davis@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu ("John E. Davis") writes: >Which emacs editor do people use for pc's? I know of only two: MicroEmacs and >Freemacs. I find Micro-Emacs kind of buggy (I cannot redefine ^U-- try it; >the functions have different names than emacs, eg, bind-to-key vs >global-set-key) and Freemacs has a wierd extension language (mint). Jove 4.14. Non-buggy, faster than either uEmacs or Freemacs, no 64Kb limit, identically available on UNIX. No extension language (only simple macros) but the command set is both sufficiently GNU Emacs-like and sufficiently embellished that I've almost never missed having an extension language for the sorts of things I do with Jove on the 386 DOS box -- mostly C coding (this is from an inveterate Emacs Lisp tinkerer). Jove has nice compilation (including parse-errors) and tags (find-tag, find-tag-at-point) and process (filter-region, shell-command-to-buffer, etc.) support, and has been a very pleasant development environemnt for me for several years now. //richard
mrs@netcom.COM (Morgan Schweers) (03/31/91)
In article <DAVIS.91Mar29150352@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu> davis@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu (John E. Davis) writes: >In article <2648@odin.cs.hw.ac.uk> scott@cs.hw.ac.uk (Scott Telford) writes: >[...] > Of course, everybody should be using Emacs-type editors...I would never use > anything else ;^) > > > >Which emacs editor do people use for pc's? I know of only two: MicroEmacs and >Freemacs. I find Micro-Emacs kind of buggy (I cannot redefine ^U-- try it; >the functions have different names than emacs, eg, bind-to-key vs >global-set-key) and Freemacs has a wierd extension language (mint). Which of >these two emacs-like editors (assuming only two) do most people prefer? >(either email or post an opinion and I will post a summary) Greetings, I *SWEAR* by Freemacs. It is VERY similar to GNU-Emacs, it's language is somewhat like LisP (but not really...), and it's *REALLY* easy to configure. Some suggestions: Try playing with the following keystrokes under Freemacs: <ESC>-x edit-options /* Allows you to change all the basic options */ <ESC>-x ek /* Allows you to edit the key-setups (*GREAT*!)*/ <ESC>-x ef /* Allows you to edit the functions... This is dangerous... Be *CAREFUL*. */ If you've loaded the entire Freemacs distribution properly, you should be able to enter C-mode just by editing a file with a '.C' or '.H' extension. If not, read the docs to see how to do it. The only annoying thing about the documentation is that it doesn't give a good reference on how to force the editor to load your own library at the beginning. However, since all the code is supplied with it, I read the code. For those not interested in doing that, here's a USER.MIN that you can compile (using C-c C-c) that will create your USER.ED. It contains a tiny routine (a keyboard macro, actually) that will swap '/' with '\' one at a time. It could have been done nicer, but it was just to figure out how to create my USER.ED, so it didn't have to be pretty. All U: functions are available from <ESC>-x, as well as (obviously) bindable to keys through the <ESC>-x ek function. IF, however, you wish to edit *ALL* your keys at once (the 'ek' function only allows one at a time, as I recall) you should play with '<ESC>-x ef K.' as a key-series. This will take *A LONG TIME* loading the entire key bindings, disassembling them, then placing them into a buffer. You can then edit it, and recompile it with C-c C-c. (The recompilation will also take a long time, as it recompiles every key definitition...) What '<ESC>-x ef K.' means is, essentially, 'edit all functions which begin with "K."' The K. functions happen to be the key-bindings... Make a printout of EMACS.EDD (and any other .EDD files you have laying around) and redefine your keys to your hearts content. (I *strongly* suggest reading your docs...) ------------ if you cut here your machine will crash ----------- [*] #(ds,Ufilename,user) #(ds,Umodified) #(Fsave-lib,U) [*] Name:U:swap-fslash-bslash [*]#(Frun-kbd-macro,C-s<>/<>Esc<>Back Space<>\<>)[*] ------- cut here -------- >Since I have totally redefined my keys from the normal emacs bindings, I >cannot use an editor which does not allow me to redefine the keys. So I do not >consider an emacs-type editor which does not allow me to redefine the keys to >be an emacs-type editor. At this point I use MicroEmacs but it only supports >two keymaps: ^X and ^[. What about Freemacs? Does it support multiple >keymaps? If so then I would appreciate it if someone were to send me a sample >mint source for Freemacs which redefines some keys and things. In addition, >does Freemacs blink matching {}[]() like emacs and does it have a C-mode? I'm not sure about how the keymaps are designed in Freemacs, but it will happily blink {}[]() just like the EMACS I'm using online just did. <Grin> (As I said, it does have a C-mode, also settable through <ESC>-x c-mode) >Thanks, > >-- >John > You're welcome... -- Morgan Schweers +----------- My opinions aren't the opinions of my company, but they are the opinions of the other programmer... <Grin> mrs@netcom.com, ms@gnu.ai.mit.edu -----------+
scott@cs.hw.ac.uk (Scott Telford) (03/31/91)
In article <DAVIS.91Mar29150352@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu> davis@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu (John E. Davis) writes: >Which emacs editor do people use for pc's? I know of only two: MicroEmacs and >Freemacs. I find Micro-Emacs kind of buggy (I cannot redefine ^U-- try it; >the functions have different names than emacs, eg, bind-to-key vs >global-set-key) and Freemacs has a wierd extension language (mint). Which of >these two emacs-like editors (assuming only two) do most people prefer? >(either email or post an opinion and I will post a summary) Of course, there's Jove as well... it's closer to GNU Emacs than MicroEMACS (especially keybinding-wise), and has some clever bits, but doesn't have a proper macro language. _____________________________________________________________________________ | Scott Telford, Dept of Computer Science, scott@cs.hw.ac.uk | | Heriot-Watt University, Edinburgh, UK. scott%hwcs@ukc.uucp | |_____ "Expect the unexpected." (The Hitch-Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy) ______|
nelson@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Russ Nelson) (04/01/91)
In article <1991Mar31.084555.24713@netcom.COM> mrs@netcom.COM (Morgan Schweers) writes: In article <DAVIS.91Mar29150352@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu> davis@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu (John E. Davis) writes: >What about Freemacs? Does it support multiple keymaps? If so >then I would appreciate it if someone were to send me a sample >mint source for Freemacs which redefines some keys and things. In >addition, does Freemacs blink matching {}[]() like emacs and does >it have a C-mode? I'm not sure about how the keymaps are designed in Freemacs, but it will happily blink {}[]() just like the EMACS I'm using online just did. <Grin> (As I said, it does have a C-mode, also settable through <ESC>-x c-mode) As long as you have C.ed online, Freemacs will automagically enter C-mode when you edit a ".c" or ".h" file. Freemacs has multiple keymaps. It comes with the GNU Emacs C-x, M-, and C-c maps, but you can define as many as you want. For example, you can define C-c C-y to next-line like this: Name:K.C-c C-y [*]F:next-line[*] -- --russ <nelson@clutx.clarkson.edu> I'm proud to be a humble Quaker. It's better to get mugged than to live a life of fear -- Freeman Dyson I joined the League for Programming Freedom, and I hope you'll join too.
BMS101@psuvm.psu.edu (04/01/91)
Question: What is the benefit of using an Emacs styled editor? I have tried
a few and found them cumbersome at best. The learning curve appears
quite stiff. I understand preferences and the like but this is a serious
question.
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In article <DAVIS.91Mar29150352@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu> davis@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu (John E. Davis) writes: >In article <2648@odin.cs.hw.ac.uk> scott@cs.hw.ac.uk (Scott Telford) writes: >[...] > Of course, everybody should be using Emacs-type editors...I would never use > anything else ;^) > > > >Which emacs editor do people use for pc's? I know of only two: MicroEmacs and >Freemacs. I find Micro-Emacs kind of buggy (I cannot redefine ^U-- try it; >the functions have different names than emacs, eg, bind-to-key vs >global-set-key) and Freemacs has a wierd extension language (mint). Which of >these two emacs-like editors (assuming only two) do most people prefer? >(either email or post an opinion and I will post a summary) > I use Micro-Emacs, mainly because a Win-3 port is now available. No more running in a DOS box under Win-3, it is a true Win-3 app. Russ Poffenberger DOMAIN: poffen@sj.ate.slb.com Schlumberger Technologies UUCP: {uunet,decwrl,amdahl}!sjsca4!poffen 1601 Technology Drive CIS: 72401,276 San Jose, Ca. 95110 (408)437-5254
griffin@frith.egr.msu.edu (Danny Griffin) (04/04/91)
poffen@sj.ate.slb.com (Russ Poffenberger) writes: >I use Micro-Emacs, mainly because a Win-3 port is now available. No more >running in a DOS box under Win-3, it is a true Win-3 app. Windows sucks dead bunnies through a straw, but I'd still like to get ahold of this port. Is it ftp'able somewhere? >Russ Poffenberger DOMAIN: poffen@sj.ate.slb.com >Schlumberger Technologies UUCP: {uunet,decwrl,amdahl}!sjsca4!poffen >1601 Technology Drive CIS: 72401,276 >San Jose, Ca. 95110 (408)437-5254 Hey, I use one of your Factron 635s. Have you updated your chip files in the last year or so? -- Dan Griffin griffin@frith.egr.msu.edu
plb@dcdwest.uucp (Phil Blais) (04/10/91)
In article <1991Apr4.055841.20061@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> griffin@frith.egr.msu.edu (Danny Griffin) writes: >poffen@sj.ate.slb.com (Russ Poffenberger) writes: > >>I use Micro-Emacs, mainly because a Win-3 port is now available. No more >>running in a DOS box under Win-3, it is a true Win-3 app. > >Windows sucks dead bunnies through a straw, but I'd still like to get >ahold of this port. Is it ftp'able somewhere? > >>Russ Poffenberger DOMAIN: poffen@sj.ate.slb.com >>Schlumberger Technologies UUCP: {uunet,decwrl,amdahl}!sjsca4!poffen >>1601 Technology Drive CIS: 72401,276 >>San Jose, Ca. 95110 (408)437-5254 > >Hey, I use one of your Factron 635s. Have you updated your chip files >in the last year or so? > > >-- >Dan Griffin >griffin@frith.egr.msu.edu I wasn't aware that anything other than 'vi' was considered an editor :-) -- phil blais N6KXD (ex WD6ETL) ITT Aerospace Communications Division dcdwest!plb@ucsd.edu DEFENSE 10060 Carroll Canyon Road ucbvax!ucsd!dcdwest!plb San Diego, CA 92131