[comp.windows.x.motif] Motif 1.0 and X11-R4

mattf@milton.u.washington.edu (Matthew Freedman) (08/28/90)

I am developing on a Decstation 3100, using a pre-release version of Motif 
1.0, Ultrix 3.xx, and X11R3.  We want to upgrade to ultrix 4.0 and X11R4, 
but we can't upgrade to Motif 1.1 just yet. 

I remember hearing rumors that Motif 1.0 does not work with XR4. Does anybody
know whether this is true?

	-- Matt

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daniel@osf.org (Daniel Dardailler) (08/29/90)

> I remember hearing rumors that Motif 1.0 does not work with XR4. Does anybody
> know whether this is true?

It depends on what you call "upgrade to X11R4".
I think you can run an X11R4 server with X11R3 Motif 1.0 as the client side
without problem, but no way to upgrade your Xlib or Xt to R4 libraries without
releasing 1.1.


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     Open Software Foundation      |      Email : daniel@osf.org           
       11 Cambridge Center         |      Phone : (617) 621 8840    
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ejp@bohra.cpg.oz (Esmond Pitt) (08/29/90)

In article <12601@paperboy.OSF.ORG> daniel@osf.org (Daniel Dardailler) writes:
>> I remember hearing rumors that Motif 1.0 does not work with XR4. Does anybody
>> know whether this is true?
>
> I think you can run an X11R4 server with X11R3 Motif 1.0 as the client side
> without problem, but no way to upgrade your Xlib or Xt to R4 libraries without
> releasing 1.1.

This is not correct. There has been plenty of anecdotal evidence in
this forum to the contrary, which was all collected by OSF at one
stage. I am frankly surprised and disappointed to see this
mis-statement re-emerge from OSF.

We have been running Motif 1.0* with its own R3 Xt, on top of the X11R4
Xlib, talking to R3 servers.  No problems have been experienced here
over several months of heavy use by 5-6 users.  I believe R4 servers
would work as well.


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dbrooks@osf.org (David Brooks) (08/29/90)

In article <6785@milton.u.washington.edu>, mattf@milton.u.washington.edu
(Matthew Freedman) writes:
|> I remember hearing rumors that Motif 1.0 does not work with XR4. Does
anybody
|> know whether this is true?

There are three components to "R4" in this context: the Intrinsics,
Xlib and the server.

Motif release 1.0 absolutely requires its own Intrinsics, an extended
version of R3.  This ships in full with 1.0 releases.

Initially, we weren't recommending using the R4 Xlib, but several
people (including us :-) tried it and we have had no problems at all.
Go ahead.

If you use an R4 server, you will exercise a bug in event mask
handling in the paned window.  To get around this, either run the
server in Bug Compatible mode, or get patched up to 1.0.3.

OSF/Motif release 1.1 requires the R4 intrinsics, which are part of
the standard distribution, patched right up to date; the patches are
on the Motif tape.  R4 Xlib is also required.  It should run on an R3
server.
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daniel@osf.org (Daniel Dardailler) (08/29/90)

Esmond Pitt writes:
> We have been running Motif 1.0* with its own R3 Xt, on top of the X11R4
> Xlib, talking to R3 servers. 

Maybe I should have only mention R3 Xt Intrinsics vs R4 Xt (Motif 1.0
*requires* its own Xt), although I don't think it's really safe to use 
Xlib R4 as well.

> I believe R4 servers would work as well.
The server side is not significant here.

> I am frankly surprised and disappointed to see this
> mis-statement re-emerge from OSF.
Ok, the next time I'll push the delete button instead of trying to help
this public domain list.
BTW, I've add a real disclaimer :-)

        Daniel Dardailler          |          OSF/Motif Team  
     Open Software Foundation      |      Email : daniel@osf.org           
       11 Cambridge Center         |      Phone : (617) 621 8840    
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       Disclaimer : This is just my opinion, not my employer's

dpb@frame.com (Don Bennett) (08/30/90)

> Maybe I should have only mention R3 Xt Intrinsics vs R4 Xt (Motif 1.0
> *requires* its own Xt), although I don't think it's really safe to use 
> Xlib R4 as well.

I been using the R4 Xlib with Motif 1.0 & the modified R3 Intrinsics 
with no problems.

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