[net.travel] Paris

cherson@fsleng.DEC (04/26/85)

Just thought that I'd like to make one comment about what Mickey Levine said
in relation to speaking French in Paris.  I've been there and had a much better
than expected time, without being fluent in French.

I found through my experience that if you make an effort to phrase what you 
want to say in French, then you'll be appreciated by most Parisiens.  This
shouldn't be regarded as strange, how would you like it if a tourist came up
to you in the street and asked you all sorts of things in a foreign 
language and when he/she was asked what they meant in English they just kept
blabbering on in their language and expected you to speak it in return?

There has always been a keen competition between French and English, and the
ascendency  of English after WWII hurt the French somewhat (being a somewhat
narcissistic people).  So going to the capital of France and sticking to the
English language exclusively can only bring you complications.

Jeez, why do Americans get so bent out of shape about attempting to learn
another language?

					David Cherson

mickey@cca.UUCP (Mickey Levine) (04/29/85)

Sorry David, I disagree. If someone stops me on the street and starts asking
me things in some unknown language, I will usually go out of my way to explain
in simple English that I don't understand them and if they have a phrase book,
I'll try to help them out (or point out things on a map). The overwhelming 
feeling I got in Paris alone was similar to the old days of walking near an
undesireable neighborhood. You cross the street when anyone approachs.

Maybe the problem is that the American tourist stands out no matter how hard
he/she tries to blend in. Maybe's it the Nikes/Levis/etc. or how fast we
pull out our plastic. But 9 times out of 10, someone will usually speak 
English to you first and then wait to see if you answer in another language.

						Mickey Levine
						decvax!cca!mickey

P.S. I speak fluent Hebrew and my wife speaks fluent German. We DO try!

rajeev@sftri.UUCP (S.Rajeev) (04/30/85)

> 
> Just thought that I'd like to make one comment about what Mickey Levine said
> in relation to speaking French in Paris.  I've been there and had a much better
> than expected time, without being fluent in French.
> 
> I found through my experience that if you make an effort to phrase what you 
> want to say in French, then you'll be appreciated by most Parisiens.  This

I had similar experiences in Paris. I speak extremely broken French
and have to refer to my pocket Larousse constantly, but I was able to
have conversations with many French people -- turns out many of them
at least in Paris speak better English than my French. They probably
couldn't stand my treatment of their beautiful language, and so after
I had made a fool of myself by asking them something in my pidgin
French, they would often switch to English (much to my relief). It's
entirely reasonable: why should they embarrass themselves by speaking
less-than-perfect English to somebody who's not willing to even try
to learn French? I had heard lots of horror stories about how snobbish
and xenophobic Parisians/ennes are, but I met all sorts of people
ranging from a hobo on the Versailles train to a Professor from the
Sorbonne (who gave me a guided tour of the Pompidou Centre). I think
people in Paris have gotten a bum rap for no fault of their own.
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