[comp.sys.amiga.games] Selling games on USENet - don't!

xanthian@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Kent Paul Dolan) (06/27/90)

Please use a little common sense and courtesy when trying to sell your
used Amiga games.  According to the latest news.lists statistics, it
costs $.0025 per kilobyte per site to post an article.  The minimum size
of text and header is around two kilobytes averaged over the net.  There
are in excess of 15,000 leaves in USENet.  Your one little harmless posting
has thus cost at least 15000*$0.0025*2 = $75.00 to the net, to sell your
$15 game, and this only accounts for leaf costs, not inner node transit
costs!

If you must post games for sale to the net, start with the most local
distribution available (local = your site), expand to city, region, state,
after two weeks each.  Never post wider than that.

You will have much better luck selling games, and annoy a lot fewer people,
if you join a local Amiga club and hawk your wares to its members.

Kent, the man from xanth.
<xanthian@Zorch.SF-Bay.ORG> <xanthian@well.sf.ca.us>
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aegnor@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (David C. Powell) (06/27/90)

In article <1990Jun26.233508.26963@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG> xanthian@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Kent Paul Dolan) writes:
>Please use a little common sense and courtesy when trying to sell your
->LOTS deleted to save some money that Kent is SOOO worried about!
>Kent, the man from xanth.
This will be quick, sorry to double d@mn this silliness, I try and refrain
from this type, but I do NOT want people to be put off, hey Kent, what
if *I* want the game coming out of <insert state> and I can NOT find it local,
like its out of PRINT/Company out of business <can you say old Infocom and
old EA games, I new you could!>  I want to see these posts, that is why I
read them...  thanks for your opinion, and I am gonna be nicely upset if
all/majority of people refrain from posting games forsale..  sorry again,
but to reiterate DO NOT stop, I may want that $15 game, and what if <insert
person> refrains from posting, there goes how I have boughten <looks up
at shelf and at desk where his USED A1000+1020+10 or more games he has
boughten because of posts to the 'net') a good 'hunk' of some of my most
favorite games (good and inexpensive, cuz they are USED) and my computer
that I bought...  sorry Kent, this is a good use for the net, much better
than these endless tirades about people who pirate, IMHO

-dcp

p.s. sorry for the cross-post, Kent did it so I did too, bad excuse I
     know, but I wanted to hit the same people he did!

                                  
                                  David C. Powell
                                  M.I.S. Graduate
                                  Class of 1990
                                  Ball State University
                                  Muncie, Indiana


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xanthian@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Kent Paul Dolan) (06/28/90)

In article <11361@bsu-cs.bsu.edu> aegnor@bsu-cs.bsu.edu
(David C. Powell) writes:
>In article <1990Jun26.233508.26963@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG>
>xanthian@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Kent Paul Dolan) writes:
>>Please use a little common sense and courtesy when trying to sell your
>->LOTS deleted to save some money that Kent is SOOO worried about!
>>Kent, the man from xanth.
>This will be quick, sorry to double d@mn this silliness, I try and refrain
>from this type, but I do NOT want people to be put off, hey Kent, what
>if *I* want the game coming out of <insert state> and I can NOT find it local,
>like its out of PRINT/Company out of business <can you say old Infocom and
>old EA games, I new you could!>  I want to see these posts, that is why I
>read them...  thanks for your opinion, and I am gonna be nicely upset if
>all/majority of people refrain from posting games forsale..  sorry again,
>but to reiterate DO NOT stop,

[et cetera, et cetera ... ;-( ]

Well, you do as you please, this is an anarchy, and no one can easily stop
you.  My original posting, however, was written to appeal to those who
might be able to bring some common sense to bear on the question.  There
are reasons to do so.

The latest news from Australia is that they just lost the entire alt.*
distribution (Can someone from Oz confirm?), including alt.sources.amiga;
comp.sys.amiga{,*} and comp.{binaries,sources}.amiga are right up there
at the top by volume of the remaining list of things that can be cut out
to save money; when we are allowing ourselves to look like wastrels, some
more sites, perhaps yours or one that feeds yours, may choose to drop the
Amiga groups.  All this _has_happened_ to the Amiga groups at least once
since they were founded and gained one of the largest volumes on the net.
Lots of sites dropped the Amiga groups when phone costs soared, and picked
them back up only when new networks and faster modem hardware provided
cheaper transmission routes.  Cheaper does not mean free, and the budgets
are starting to strain again.

It only took publicity about a little complaint in the Houston Chronicle
to get sites all over the world to review their need for the alt groups;
many have dropped them in the few weeks since.  How much publicity do you
think the Amiga groups can withstand if we are being blatently inefficient
in our use of net resources?

I only led you to the issue, I can't force you to think.  The "gimme"
generation is alive and well.

Kent, the man from xanth.
<xanthian@Zorch.SF-Bay.ORG> <xanthian@well.sf.ca.us>
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jimmy@uhccux.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Jimmy Chan) (06/28/90)

>In article <11361@bsu-cs.bsu.edu> aegnor@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (David C. Powell) writes:
>>In article <1990Jun26.233508.26963@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG> xanthian@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Kent Paul Dolan) writes:
>>Please use a little common sense and courtesy when trying to sell your
>->LOTS deleted to save some money that Kent is SOOO worried about!
>>Kent, the man from xanth.
>I want to see these posts, that is why I
>read them...  thanks for your opinion, and I am gonna be nicely upset if
>all/majority of people refrain from posting games forsale..  sorry again,
>but to reiterate DO NOT stop, I may want that $15 game, and what if <insert
>person> refrains from posting, there goes how I have boughten <looks up
>that I bought...  sorry Kent, this is a good use for the net, much better
>than these endless tirades about people who pirate, IMHO
>

Kent, I gotta agree with David since I like to pick up software (albeit used) 
at cheap prices.  Instead of wasting $40+ dollars on something I might not
used after a couple of months, I feel better spending only $15-25.  There are
also lots and lots of garbage sometimes being posted so, I don't really 
see how posting games forsale is anymore worse, also I think they have 
a forsale newsgroup someplace so the net overall don't seem to mind the 
forsale postings, IMHO.

Keep those forsale postings coming...anyone wants to sell me their copy
of Their Finest Hour?...8-)...


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jimmy@uhccux.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Jimmy Chan) (06/28/90)

In article <1990Jun27.185759.8281@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG> you write:
>The latest news from Australia is that they just lost the entire alt.*
>distribution (Can someone from Oz confirm?), including alt.sources.amiga;
>comp.sys.amiga{,*} and comp.{binaries,sources}.amiga are right up there
>at the top by volume of the remaining list of things that can be cut out
>to save money; when we are allowing ourselves to look like wastrels, some
>more sites, perhaps yours or one that feeds yours, may choose to drop the
>Amiga groups.  All this _has_happened_ to the Amiga groups at least once
>since they were founded and gained one of the largest volumes on the net.
>Lots of sites dropped the Amiga groups when phone costs soared, and picked
>them back up only when new networks and faster modem hardware provided
>cheaper transmission routes.  Cheaper does not mean free, and the budgets
>are starting to strain again.
>
>It only took publicity about a little complaint in the Houston Chronicle
>to get sites all over the world to review their need for the alt groups;
>many have dropped them in the few weeks since.  How much publicity do you
>think the Amiga groups can withstand if we are being blatently inefficient
>in our use of net resources?
>

Well here in Hawaii the alt.sex.* and alt.drugs newsgroups were dropped
from our sites as of last week or 2 weeks ago due to the complaints in
some mainland newspapers of the type of discussions and postings that
were going on in those newsgroups.  Now there is even talk of removing
alt.* newsgroups altogether since they do not carry information that is
necessary for University use.  So far we don't have to worry about getting
and amiga newsgroups dropped as yet though once alt.* newgroups get dropped
for whatever reason, I can see others being dropped for not being pertinent
to the uses of a University.

Kent, I still do not want to see forsale notices being removed but maybe
relocated?  I would rather buy used games than new ones, easier on my
wallet.  Though I would not want others to lose their newsgroups access
but I don't know if removing forsale notices will still help as the amount
of forsale notices to any other posting is almost neglible.  (though I am
talking of games for sale and not computer systems, as there seem to be
many of those being offered for sale now since the A3000 is shipping.)
I really can't say what the solution is but I will be disappointed when
I can't buy used games from people on the net as I look for these often.

Maybe a solution is maybe an email list for selling stuff?...8-)..just 
something that popped into my mind so don't take it seriously.

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aegnor@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (David C. Powell) (06/28/90)

In article <1990Jun27.185759.8281@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG> xanthian@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Kent Paul Dolan) writes:
>In article <11361@bsu-cs.bsu.edu> aegnor@bsu-cs.bsu.edu
>(David C. Powell) writes:
>>In article <1990Jun26.233508.26963@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG>
>>xanthian@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Kent Paul Dolan) writes:
>>>Please use a little common sense and courtesy when trying to sell your
>>->LOTS deleted to save some money that Kent is SOOO worried about!
>>>Kent, the man from xanth.
>>This will be quick, sorry to double d@mn this silliness, I try and refrain
>[et cetera, et cetera ... ;-( ] 
by the by, most of this would have been pretty much totally
avoided if you SAID WHAT YOU MEANT first, not AFTER the fact... all you
talked about was COST (that I pay for at my site, can you say 5 years
tuition, I new you could...) not that you had ANY fear(s) of groups being
dropped...
>
>Well, you do as you please, this is an anarchy, and no one can easily stop
>you.  My original posting, however, was written to appeal to those who
>might be able to bring some common sense to bear on the question.  There
>are reasons to do so.
>
>The latest news from Australia is that they just lost the entire alt.*
>distribution (Can someone from Oz confirm?), including alt.sources.amiga;
>comp.sys.amiga{,*} and comp.{binaries,sources}.amiga are right up there
>at the top by volume of the remaining list of things that can be cut out
>to save money; when we are allowing ourselves to look like wastrels, some
blah blah blah...  1/2 :-)

Thanks Kent, (this is only going to games by the by) now to repeat what
I have been saying in mail, your FIRST post said nothing about your fears
about droppage of comp.amiga.*, would have quelled my 'knee-jerk' some...
as you will read in your mail, say what you mean FIRST not as the afterthought,
I am NOT physchic (sp?) and can NOT tell what your greater fear is... your
post has some good points and some bad, my rationale is that I read the
stuff I am interested in and you do the same, the other stuff we ALL subsidize
be it THIS drivel or 'pirates are scum' for WEEKS drivel or or or... you get
the point, I subsidize YOUR stuff you like, you do the same for me, what
we call push and pull, tit for tat, etc.    How bout we just keep ALL
computer anything in misc.forsale/.computers and SHOOT anybody who disobeys
(be they employee of C=, piddly game seller or what not, I care no more to
see $3000 Amiga 2000's I can NOT afford posted ANYWHERE but in the forsale 
groups then..... and or we BAN all forsale except for local newspapers, yeah
heaven forbid I might want to buy something from California (Hi Patrick H.)
and deserve NOT to know about it I guess..)

if 'all posts are NOT created equal' and the person selling the most expensive
item is in the 'right' and the person selling the $15 game/$25 S100 'pc' should
quit, then I guess I have the concept of the 'net' wrong...  I always thought
it was a 'pretty' open FORUM where any and all (to a certain, loosely defined
extent) types of discussions/posts could be made...  OOPS...  :-(

-dcp

p.s. sorry .game readers, this is MY LAST post on the subject, KENT if you
     want to keep this up, use mail... I hate public 'shield banging'
                                  
                                  David C. Powell
                                  M.I.S. Graduate
                                  Class of 1990
                                  Ball State University
                                  Muncie, Indiana


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xrtnt@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Nigel Tzeng) (06/28/90)

In article <1990Jun27.185759.8281@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG>, xanthian@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Kent Paul Dolan) writes...
^In article <11361@bsu-cs.bsu.edu> aegnor@bsu-cs.bsu.edu
^(David C. Powell) writes:
^>In article <1990Jun26.233508.26963@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG>
^>xanthian@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Kent Paul Dolan) writes:

[Dave saying I want to see those ads! Deleted]

^ 
^Well, you do as you please, this is an anarchy, and no one can easily stop
^you.  My original posting, however, was written to appeal to those who
^might be able to bring some common sense to bear on the question.  There
^are reasons to do so.

How about a compromise and simply post to the forsale groups?  I like seeing
the ads too since I've pick up many things via these ads.  If the concern is
the traffic on the amiga groups the comprimise should be satifactory for all
involved.  Just make sure you include the word Amiga in your subject line ;-).

Since this is an unmoderated group no one can tell you what to post or not to
post but I wouldn't quite call it anarchy ;-).

^ 

[loss of alt groups and cost considerations for amiga.* groups deleted]

^ 
^It only took publicity about a little complaint in the Houston Chronicle
^to get sites all over the world to review their need for the alt groups;
^many have dropped them in the few weeks since.  How much publicity do you
^think the Amiga groups can withstand if we are being blatently inefficient
^in our use of net resources?

We only lost the alt.sex.* groups and the junk group.  The concern is probably
more for potential legal problems that sites would rather not get involved
in...  Unless we start posting IFF nudes here I don't think many sites will
review the amiga groups for these sort of concerns :-) (or is it :-(??? 
Politics/Constititution threads to one of the talk groups please...).

^ 
^Kent, the man from xanth.
^<xanthian@Zorch.SF-Bay.ORG> <xanthian@well.sf.ca.us>

Nuff Said...lets not spend another $75 (or whatever) bucks rehashing this ;-).

NT

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atul@cadence.com (Atul Srinivasan) (06/28/90)

In article <8432@uhccux.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu> jimmy@uhccux.UUCP (Jimmy Chan) writes:
>>In article <11361@bsu-cs.bsu.edu> aegnor@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (David C. Powell) writes:
>>>In article <1990Jun26.233508.26963@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG> xanthian@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Kent Paul Dolan) writes:
>>>Please use a little common sense and courtesy when trying to sell your
>>->LOTS deleted to save some money that Kent is SOOO worried about!

>Kent, I gotta agree with David since I like to pick up software (albeit used) 
>at cheap prices.  Instead of wasting $40+ dollars on something I might not
>used after a couple of months, I feel better spending only $15-25.  There are
>also lots and lots of garbage sometimes being posted so, I don't really 
>see how posting games forsale is anymore worse, also I think they have 
>a forsale newsgroup someplace so the net overall don't seem to mind the 
>forsale postings, IMHO.
>
>Keep those forsale postings coming...anyone wants to sell me their copy
>of Their Finest Hour?...8-)...
>
>
OK, now we know you'd rather own a $15-20 game than have a
otherwise useful and worthwhile newsgroup around. Games are
games, sure they are nice, and I PLAY A LOT OF THEM. But I just
don't believe posting is efficient. Just because there are dipshits
out there who post garbage (me included) is no reason to justify
being one.
Score Kent 1: others 0

BTW, I am not saying (at least I don't want to be saying) don't do it
because <insert reason>. I just felt like kanking on a lame argument.
							Atul
							<insert sig> 

jac423@leah.Albany.Edu (Jules Cisek) (06/28/90)

I think the problem with the size of the comp.sys.amiga  groups  is  not
caused  by selling software.  It is caused by a great deal of people who
just have to have a word about everything.   The  amiga  newsgroups  are
filled  with  people  disagreeing  about  this  and  that,  very  little
information exchange actually takes place.  It usually takes me about  1
hour to read the four groups, but I actually only read about 20 articles
out of all of these.  I don't think we should point fingers at  specific
problems  (piracy  discussions,  for sale ads, arguing about how the net
should be used and what groups we  should  support,  etc.).   We  should
simply  cut back on the temptation to post all the time (especially when
all we want to say is "Right on", or "Word up").

I know the temptation is huge to be part  of  discussion,  part  of  the
team,  but really, mail is a much better way of communicating your ideas
to other users.  The only time you should  post  is  when  your  posting
absolutely  has  to  be  seen  by everyone on the net.  Even then, think
about just  how  far  the  message  has  to  go,  and  don't  use  world
distribution unless you have to.

Sometimes I get the feeling that many of you just post so that the amiga
groups are the biggest...  That's truly silly, since bulk  doesn't  make
the information any more worthwhile.

I  know  my  post is not going to a bit of difference, but I really feel
this is a way to cut down on the hugeness of this thing,  certainly  not
by cutting out for sale ads.

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kosma%human-torch@STC.LOCKHEED.COM (Monty Kosma) (06/29/90)

   How about a compromise and simply post to the forsale groups?  I like seeing
   the ads too since I've pick up many things via these ads.  If the concern is
   the traffic on the amiga groups the comprimise should be satifactory for all
   involved.  Just make sure you include the word Amiga in your subject line ;-).

   Since this is an unmoderated group no one can tell you what to post or not to
   post but I wouldn't quite call it anarchy ;-).

Unfortunately, posting games (and equipment) for sale specifically for the
amiga reaches the GREATEST number of amiga users by posting it to c.s.a{.g}
and not to the forsale groups.  There's lots of people out there who don't
get the forsale groups and lots more who get it and don't ever really look
there, and items like amiga games for sale just seem more appropriate IMHO
to be in an amiga-specific group rather than a generic forsale group.

jbb@contact.uucp (Jordan Baker) (06/29/90)

In article <8432@uhccux.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu> jimmy@uhccux.UUCP (Jimmy Chan) writes:
>>In article <11361@bsu-cs.bsu.edu> aegnor@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (David C. Powell) writes:
>>>In article <1990Jun26.233508.26963@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG> xanthian@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Kent Paul Dolan) writes:
>>>Please use a little common sense and courtesy when trying to sell your
>>->LOTS deleted to save some money that Kent is SOOO worried about!
>>>Kent, the man from xanth.
>>I want to see these posts, that is why I
>>read them...  thanks for your opinion, and I am gonna be nicely upset if
>>all/majority of people refrain from posting games forsale..  sorry again,
>>but to reiterate DO NOT stop, I may want that $15 game, and what if <insert
>>person> refrains from posting, there goes how I have boughten <looks up
>>that I bought...  sorry Kent, this is a good use for the net, much better
>>than these endless tirades about people who pirate, IMHO
>>
>
>Kent, I gotta agree with David since I like to pick up software (albeit used) 
>at cheap prices.  Instead of wasting $40+ dollars on something I might not
>used after a couple of months, I feel better spending only $15-25.  There are
>also lots and lots of garbage sometimes being posted so, I don't really 
>see how posting games forsale is anymore worse, also I think they have 
>a forsale newsgroup someplace so the net overall don't seem to mind the 
>forsale postings, IMHO.
>
>Keep those forsale postings coming...anyone wants to sell me their copy
>of Their Finest Hour?...8-)...

 I think this is pathetic. One of the best things about Usenet is that
it's accessable to everyone and that from the user standpoint, it's
free. What we have here is people abusing the network. How would you
feel about comp.sys.amiga.games if 50% of everything that was posted
there are ads for people selling software. I think that if we try to
think of an alternative we can. What about a mail server that you can
request games from and then it looks down a list of games that people
have to sell and then it mails the person who owns the game that you
want to buy and they can mail you back with prices, etc..
 Anyone here willing to donate some time in writing a mail server, or
maybe I'll do it myself..

 -jordan

xrtnt@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Nigel Tzeng) (06/29/90)

In article <9006281843.AA18590@human-torch.lockheed.com>, kosma%human-torch@STC.LOCKHEED.COM (Monty Kosma) writes...
^ 
^   How about a compromise and simply post to the forsale groups?  I like seeing
^   the ads too since I've pick up many things via these ads.  If the concern is
^   the traffic on the amiga groups the comprimise should be satifactory for all
^   involved.  Just make sure you include the word Amiga in your subject line ;-).
^ 
^Unfortunately, posting games (and equipment) for sale specifically for the
^amiga reaches the GREATEST number of amiga users by posting it to c.s.a{.g}
^and not to the forsale groups.  There's lots of people out there who don't
^get the forsale groups and lots more who get it and don't ever really look
^there, and items like amiga games for sale just seem more appropriate IMHO
^to be in an amiga-specific group rather than a generic forsale group.

Oh, I agree...except that the concern was over the traffic (and possibly s/n
ratio) on the main amiga newsgroup.  The suggestion of posting to the local
forsale area (or using the "local" distribution which occationally thinks New
Zealand is local to Washington DC ;-) first isn't a bad one since you can save 
on shipping and stuff for local buyers.  Not to mention they can check out the 
item before they buy.

Kind of an additional hassle for the seller but not a major one.  Slightly for
the casual impulse buyer like myself too since I have to scan yet another
newsgroup...

Isn't this covered in the monthly "about this newsgroup" posting?  I have to
admit I've never read the whole thing through...what does it say?  (I guess I'm
just talking about c.s.a and not c.s.a.g).

ObGame:  I picked up Double Dragon out of the $10 bin recently.  Quite a bit
easier than the arcade version.  In my opinion it sucked pretty bad.  Is it 
worth $10?  Maybe.  I'm going to turn it over to my cousin (elementary school
age) to play...about that level.  Looks like an Atari port or something.

Other useless data: 512k min, non-multitasking, non-exitable and non-hd
installable.  Requires joysticks.  2 player option.  Limited lives (5 quarters
worth). 

1/2 star rating.

NT

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richard@cs.ua.oz.au (Richard Siggs) (07/02/90)

In article <1990Jun27.185759.8281@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG>,
xanthian@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Kent Paul Dolan) writes:
|>
|>The latest news from Australia is that they just lost the entire alt.*
|>distribution (Can someone from Oz confirm?), including alt.sources.amiga;
|>comp.sys.amiga{,*} and comp.{binaries,sources}.amiga are right up there
|>at the top by volume of the remaining list of things that can be cut out
|>to save money; when we are allowing ourselves to look like wastrels, some
|>more sites, perhaps yours or one that feeds yours, may choose to drop the
|>Amiga groups.  All this _has_happened_ to the Amiga groups at least once
|>since they were founded and gained one of the largest volumes on the net.
|>Lots of sites dropped the Amiga groups when phone costs soared, and picked
|>them back up only when new networks and faster modem hardware provided
|>cheaper transmission routes.  Cheaper does not mean free, and the budgets
|>are starting to strain again.
|>
|>It only took publicity about a little complaint in the Houston Chronicle
|>to get sites all over the world to review their need for the alt groups;
|>many have dropped them in the few weeks since.  How much publicity do you
|>think the Amiga groups can withstand if we are being blatently inefficient
|>in our use of net resources?
|>
|>I only led you to the issue, I can't force you to think.  The "gimme"
|>generation is alive and well.
|>
	I can confirm for all of you. The administrators of AARNet (Australian
Academic Research Network) stopped all alt.sex.* & alt.drugs groups from
entering their network (which is the main/only backbone Aust. wide
network) at the link to Hawaii (in Melbourne Uni., Victoria).
	So, we've still got ALL the groups we proviously had, but alt.sex.* &
alt.drugs (ONLY) aren't getting any DIRECT posting (you can still
cross-post to these groups :-)!

	Well, there you have it..Just when you thought it was safe to look at
that gif....!

Richard Siggs			| "As the joys of Heaven are enjoyed by men,
Computer Science Dept.,		|  so shall the pains of Hell be suffered.
Adelaide University,		|  For they will be men still,
South Australia.		|  so they will act and feel as men."
ACSnet: richard@cs.ua.oz.au	|	- quote from the film "Bliss".


                                                 

lord@leadsv.UUCP (Parker Lord) (07/03/90)

I think its funny how an article was posted to complain about wasting bandwidth
on the net for a For Sale post that takes up maybe ten lines, and then for the
next week or so there are 20 - 30 postings, amany of which contain the last
two previous postings, that appearred using approximatley 9000% more space than
anyones For Sale posting ever would.

Isnt that kind of ironic?
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