rpj@screech.rice.edu (Richard Parvin Jernigan) (10/03/90)
Someone out there wrote...
> I hate EMACS!
Amen! VI just blows EMACS so far out of the water it's only a few years
from frying upon re-entry.
Emacs just... well, sux.
<<contented sigh...>
richid
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-- Richid Jernigan <rpj@owlnet.rice.edu>joseph@valnet.UUCP (Joseph P. Hillenburg) (10/04/90)
rpj@screech.rice.edu (Richard Parvin Jernigan) writes: > Someone out there wrote... > > I hate EMACS! > > Amen! VI just blows EMACS so far out of the water it's only a few years > from frying upon re-entry. > > Emacs just... well, sux. > > <<contented sigh...> > > richid > > -- > Sig under construction--can't think of anything clever. Wait a bit. > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > "All the myriad ways you may tell another of your feelings, > be sure that none work so well as a simple touch." > -- Richid Jernigan <rpj@owlnet.rice.edu> I like MEmacs for Amiga (Especially the 2.0 version) but I agree that GNU-Macs sucks a big one. -Joseph Hillenburg UUCP: ...iuvax!valnet!joseph ARPA: valnet!joseph@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu INET: joseph@valnet.UUCP
cedman@lynx.ps.uci.edu (Carl Edman) (10/04/90)
In article <LgJHq10w163w@valnet> joseph@valnet.UUCP (Joseph P. Hillenburg) writes: rpj@screech.rice.edu (Richard Parvin Jernigan) writes: > Someone out there wrote... > > I hate EMACS! > > Amen! VI just blows EMACS so far out of the water it's only a few years > from frying upon re-entry. > > Emacs just... well, sux. > > <<contented sigh...> I like MEmacs for Amiga (Especially the 2.0 version) but I agree that GNU-Macs sucks a big one. While the above is true about the current version of GNU-emacs on the amiga, I would suggest that anyone tries running gnu-emacs under a real unix computer with 16+ MByte of memory. You will find out that gnu-emacs is an extremly powerful and versatile editor. Emacs comes with 5-10 MBytes of script-files (in an lisp interpreted by emacs). These files are so powerful that they for most purpose almost obviate the need ever to enter the shell (not that I mind). Claiming that gnu-emacs is inferior to the lowly vi, is quite funny as there are not one , but two complete vi-emulations in script-files. So you can use emacs in vi-mode even while at the same time in other buffers and windows using the original emacs and having the advantage of all the emacs power. Only one last example: I am posting this from 'gnus' one of several nntp-based news readers (yes, they are nothing but script files in emacs lisp). 'gnus' is by far nicer than any other character/curses based new reader I have ever seen. So, please, before writing about something you don't have the foggiest idea about, PLEASE get informed. (I am convinced that at least some of the posters were actually talking about micro-emacs, never having seen anything else.). Carl Edman Theorectial Physicist,N.:A physicist whose | Send mail existence is postulated, to make the numbers | to balance but who is never actually observed | cedman@golem.ps.uci.edu in the laboratory. | edmanc@uciph0.ps.uci.edu
amhartma@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Andy Hartman - AmigaMan) (10/05/90)
Why are people discussing editors in c.s.a.g? Keep it in e-mail please. BTW, editor wars get about as far as computer wars... AMH * Andy Hartman | I'd deny half of this crap anyway!| "Somedays, you just * Indiana University | amhartma@silver.ucs.indiana.edu | can't get rid of a * // Amiga Man | AMHARTMA@rose.ucs.indiana.edu | bomb!" * \X/ At Large! | or just "Hey putz!" | - Batman (original)
greg@walt.cc.utexas.edu (Greg Harp) (10/05/90)
In article <CEDMAN.90Oct4092018@lynx.ps.uci.edu> cedman@lynx.ps.uci.edu (Carl Edman) writes: >In article <LgJHq10w163w@valnet> joseph@valnet.UUCP (Joseph P. Hillenburg) writes: [Previous EMACS flames, etc. deleted] >You will find out that >gnu-emacs is an extremly powerful and versatile editor. Emacs comes >with 5-10 MBytes of script-files (in an lisp interpreted by emacs). >These files are so powerful that they for most purpose almost obviate >the need ever to enter the shell (not that I mind). Claiming that >gnu-emacs is inferior to the lowly vi, is quite funny as there are >not one , but two complete vi-emulations in script-files. So you >can use emacs in vi-mode even while at the same time in other buffers >and windows using the original emacs and having the advantage >of all the emacs power. Only one last example: I am posting this from >'gnus' one of several nntp-based news readers (yes, they are nothing >but script files in emacs lisp). 'gnus' is by far nicer than any >other character/curses based new reader I have ever seen. I have even heard about a version of Space Invaders and Centipede written completely in EMACS LISP. Do THAT on VI... (BTW, anybody played these or others? I'd appreciate knowing where I can FTP some EMACS hacks from...) > Carl Edman >Theorectial Physicist,N.:A physicist whose | Send mail >existence is postulated, to make the numbers | to >balance but who is never actually observed | cedman@golem.ps.uci.edu >in the laboratory. | edmanc@uciph0.ps.uci.edu Greg -- Disclaimer: "Who me? Surely you must be mistaken!" _ _ "The lunatic is in the hall. The lunatics are in my hall. AMIGA! //// The paper holds their folded faces to the floor, //// And every day the paperboy brings more." -- Pink Floyd _ _ //// \\\\//// Greg Harp greg@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu \\XX//
hunt@dg-rtp.rtp.dg.com (Greg Hunt) (10/05/90)
In article <CEDMAN.90Oct4092018@lynx.ps.uci.edu>, cedman@lynx.ps.uci.edu (Carl Edman) writes: > In article <LgJHq10w163w@valnet> joseph@valnet.UUCP (Joseph P. Hillenburg) writes: > rpj@screech.rice.edu (Richard Parvin Jernigan) writes: > > > Someone out there wrote... > > > I hate EMACS! > > > > Amen! VI just blows EMACS so far out of the water it's only a few years > > from frying upon re-entry. > > > > Emacs just... well, sux. > > > > <<contented sigh...> > I like MEmacs for Amiga (Especially the 2.0 version) but I agree that > GNU-Macs sucks a big one. > [description of EMACS deleted] > > So, please, before writing about something you don't have the foggiest > idea about, PLEASE get informed. > (I am convinced that at least some of the posters were actually > talking about micro-emacs, never having seen anything else.). > > Carl Edman > Carl, please remember that choice of text editors is usually a very personal issue, and some folks just like different things than you do. I am convinced that there is no "best editor", just the "editor I like the most". Different folks like different editors for lots of different reasons. Don't assume that since someone has a different opinion of EMACS than you that they haven't tried it. It sounds to me that the two previous posters have tried EMACS, and one doesn't like it at all, and the other likes the Amiga version, but not the GNU version. They were informed. I happen to agree with the first poster. I don't like EMACS, but that's my opinion. Can we take this to comp.editors? ***** Now back to the games: Has anyone heard if the new version of Silent Service is going to be coming out for the Amiga? I saw version II is out for the IBM PC's but the guy at the store didn't know anything about it for the Amiga. From the description on the box, it should be great! They've upgraded the graphics and sound, and added a "campaign" mode where you can go out multiple times with the same commander and get promoted, etc. That's just what I can remember having read. I'll certainly buy it if it comes out. -- Greg Hunt Internet: hunt@dg-rtp.rtp.dg.com DG/UX Kernel Development UUCP: {world}!mcnc!rti!dg-rtp!hunt Data General Corporation Research Triangle Park, NC These opinions are mine, not DG's.
wbt@cbnews.att.com (William B. Thacker) (10/06/90)
In article <37919@ut-emx.uucp>, greg@walt.cc.utexas.edu (Greg Harp) writes: > In article <CEDMAN.90Oct4092018@lynx.ps.uci.edu> cedman@lynx.ps.uci.edu (Carl Edman) writes: > >So you > >can use emacs in vi-mode even while at the same time in other buffers > >and windows using the original emacs and having the advantage > >of all the emacs power. Only one last example: I am posting this from > >'gnus' one of several nntp-based news readers (yes, they are nothing > >but script files in emacs lisp). 'gnus' is by far nicer than any > >other character/curses based new reader I have ever seen. > I have even heard about a version of Space Invaders and Centipede > written completely in EMACS LISP. Do THAT on VI... Geez, guys, that's swell. But to paraphrase our beloved Doctor Leonard "Bones" McCoy, I want an editor, not an operating system. If I want to ru Lisp programs, about the last place I'll look for that capability is my text editor. If I want to play arcade games, I'll boot up an arcade game. In any case, while I personally love vi, I have only used micro-Emacs and so can't comment on the full-blown Emacs. I wouldn't for a moment suggest that someone who is happy with emacs is really miserable for not using vi. And I suggest that those who wish to continue vi-emacs wars take them someplace where they're welcome - assuming you can find one. - - - - - - - - valuable coupon - - - - - - - clip and save - - - - - - - - Bill Thacker AT&T Network Systems - Columbus wbt@cbnews.att.com Free the Lagrange 5 !
eeh@public.BTR.COM (Eduardo E. Horvath eeh@btr.com) (10/07/90)
How do you get the cursor keys to work with a full-blown UNIX emacs
if I'm using a vt100 emulator? Our emacs doesn't seem to have any docs
and I'm sick of typing F,B,N,P.
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