witters@fluke.UUCP (John Witters) (08/11/83)
<FLAME ON> Lets execute all the lawyers in this country and render their remains into dog food. We have too damn many lawyers in this country as it is. I feel that your suggestion will only encourage them to fuck up computer science the same way they've fucked up the government and business. Computer professionals don't need lawyers telling them how to handle their affairs. <FLAME OFF> Actually, I'm a pretty nice guy, and I don't mean to seem abusive, but you've touched a nerve. "Some of my best friends are lawyers, but I wouldn't want my sister to marry one." -John Witters fluke!witters
tim@unc.UUCP (08/14/83)
The profeesion of lawyers may be only barely respectable, but they
do serve a need. If you have some better way to prevent abuse that
seriously damages lives and reputations, let's hear it.
[By the way, from Pam Troy: I wouldn't mind a lawyer in my family.
My mother married one.]
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Tim Maroney
duke!unc!tim (USENET)
tim.unc@udel-relay (ARPA)
The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hillseifert@ihuxl.UUCP (08/15/83)
re: lawyers
US Japan
engineers 70 400
lawyers 40 3
accountants 20 1
(per 10,000 people)
(from EDN, June 23,1982)
gee, does this tell you something about why Japan is doing so well?
Lawyers, accountants, etc. don't produce anything. They merely
help redistribute it, taking a big chunk for themselves. Yes, we
do need *some* of them, but do we really need this many? My
opinion is no.
yours for fewer lawyers,
Dave Seifert
ihnp4!ihuxl!seiferthalle1@houxz.UUCP (08/15/83)
I'll go even farther than Dave. Regarding lawyers, Shakespeare was right.
dave@utcsrgv.UUCP (Dave Sherman) (08/15/83)
ihuxl!seifert suggests that there should be fewer lawyers. Well,
the fact that most of us are gainfully employed suggests that there's
a need for us. I would suggest that the large discrepancy between
the number of lawyers between the U.S. and Japan is mostly due to
the different attitudes and expectations of the *clients*. Many
people's reaction to adversity (accident, medical problem, business
difficulty) is "SUE!". Perhaps the Japanese have less adversarial ways
of working out disputes.
Our legal system is tremendously complicated, in part due to
the vast number of interest groups which have lobbied for legislation
and regulation in every facet of society. The result is a system which
needs a lot of lawyers. Is this bad? Perhaps it's just one of the
costs of democracy in a society which is anything but cohesive in viewpoint.
Dave Sherman (yup, a real onnistugoodnus lawyer)
The Law Society of Upper Canada (utcsrgv!lsuc!dave)
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{allegra,cornell,floyd,ihnp4,linus,utzoo,uw-beaver,watmath}!utcsrgv!davepadpowell@wateng.UUCP (PAD Powell[Admin]) (08/16/83)
I remember with amazing clarity the comment that a senior lawyer made
to me: "Look kid, do you want a good lawyer or do you want an honest one?"
While I would not advocate personal violence to them, I would not mind
seeing the guilty-of-incestous-and-sodomic-sexual-aberrations starve to
death...
I have never yet been involved in a situation in which a lawyer has not
managed to screw up. In one business deal, I told the other fellow that
I did not believe in lawyers, but in trust. I trusted him to do his best
or I would cut out his lungs...
He and I have done business for years, with no trouble, and no lawyers...
Patrick ("And I wouldn't throw a life saver to one either...") Powellsts@ssc-vax.UUCP (Stanley T Shebs) (08/16/83)
Re lawyers: I agree completely. Let's take 'em out somewhere and shoot 'em. Better yet, figure out a way to ship 'em to Cuba and the Soviet Union without causing those countries to declare war... stan the lep hacker ssc-vax!sts (soon utah-cs)
rlr@pyuxn.UUCP (08/17/83)
"Our legal system is tremendously complicated, in part due to the vast number of interest groups which have lobbied for legislation and regulation in every facet of society. The result is a system which needs a lot of lawyers." Could it possibly that be the large number of lawyers, in effect, "lobby" for extensive overregulation to create an environment in which they will be needed? After all, large bureaucracies only exist to perpetuate their own existence...
mmt@dciem.UUCP (Martin Taylor) (08/17/83)
I don't think it is necessary to shoot all the lawyers, but it might be a good idea to make official the conflict of interest that occurs when a lawyer runs for Parliament (Congress). They should be allowed to vote, but clearly shouldn't be allowed to make laws. Probably they shouldn't be allowed in the upper levels of the civil service, either. If an opinion is wanted on the legal clarity of a proposed law, suitable lawyers (or perhaps judges) could be contracted to comment. Anyway, I don't have much hope that the lawyers in Parliament will soon vote to declare their jobs to represent a conflict of interest, even though it is. Martin Taylor
steve@bmcg.UUCP (08/19/83)
Succinctly put. I agree, we do NOT need that many lawyers or accountants.
steve cary
uucp : {decvax!ucbvax || philabs}!sdcsvax!bmcg!steve
arpa : sdcsvax!bmcg!steve@noscsts@ssc-vax.UUCP (Stanley T Shebs) (08/20/83)
The way I heard it, the first lawyer talked a law school classmate into coming. stan the l.h. ssc-vax!sts (soon utah-cs)