logden@tc.fluke.COM (Leonard Ogden) (12/01/90)
So, I recently purchased this fight simulator/stragey game, andthink it's great fun for the price ($14.95+tax)! But, I am having some problems :) First, landing on the carrier is a BEAR! I can never seem to getlined up right, I seem to be to far left or right, and when itcomes time for last minute adjustments the joy stick puts me allover the sky!!! ANy way I tried the first task, the contact and return, and had aproblem. I flew to the area the enemy aircraft were located,the screen said that these are enemy aircraft and the radar blipsturned red. But when I return to SFint'l I get not respnse? Thanks for your help logden
RegularGuy@cup.portal.com (Randy Gene Latham) (12/01/90)
I had the same problems..Landing on the carrier takes practice, practice, pra to return to carrier. It's the only way you'll complete that mission Have Fun!! RegularGuy
kenward@fornax.UUCP (Kenward Chin) (12/02/90)
In article <1990Nov30.175221.343@tc.fluke.COM>, logden@tc.fluke.COM (Leonard Ogden) writes: > First, landing on the carrier is a BEAR! I can never seem to getlined up right, I seem to be to far left or right, and when itcomes time for last minute adjustments the joy stick puts me allover the sky!!! The best thing to do while landing (when you're learning the game) is to use rudder control instead of joystick control. Level off, and using the rudder head for the carrier. Use the magnifier to make sure you're on course. As far as getting the right rate of descent, you'll have to experiment with different amounts of thrust and different angles of attack. Once you've landed a couple of time with this method, you'll find it a lot easier! > ANy way I tried the first task, the contact and return, and had aproblem. I flew to the area the enemy aircraft were located,the screen said that these are enemy aircraft and the radar blipsturned red. But when I return to SFint'l I get not respnse? > Try landing on the carrier instead! Kenward Chin -- Disclaimer: Since transmission of this article is by imperfect methods, there may well be discrepancies between what is above and what was intended. Therefore, please edit this article to read as you wish.
hunt@dg-rtp.rtp.dg.com (Greg Hunt) (12/02/90)
In article <1990Nov30.175221.343@tc.fluke.COM>, logden@tc.fluke.COM (Leonard Ogden) writes: > > First, landing on the carrier is a BEAR! I can never seem to getlined up > right, I seem to be to far left or right, and when itcomes time for last > minute adjustments the joy stick puts me allover the sky!!! You're right, it ain't easy. Practice makes perfect. Once you get lined up in the right general direction, I'd suggest using the rudder (the < and > keys) instead of the stick to move left and right. It's much easier to make small adjustments to your direction with the rudder than the ailerons. > ANy way I tried the first task, the contact and return, and had aproblem. > I flew to the area the enemy aircraft were located,the screen said that > these are enemy aircraft and the radar blipsturned red. But when I return > to SFint'l I get not respnse? You need to maintain the contact with the enemy aircraft for several seconds before you turn around and head for base. After a short amount of time (about 5 seconds I guess), you'll get a "Mission Complete" message on the screen telling you that the mission is now completed and ordering you to return to base. After that you can then return to SFO. After landing, you need to turn your engines off and come to a complete stop. Turn the brakes on by pressing the BACKSPACE key. Bring the enigines to 10% thrust by pressing F1. When the instruments register 10% thrust, press F1 again to turn the engines off. Once the plane comes to a complete halt, you'll get re-armed and refueled. You'll also get a "Congratulations!" message telling you that the mission is over and is now recorded. If you don't get the "Congrats" message, the mission wasn't considered a success, and you'll have to try it again (press ESCAPE and start the mission over) before you'll be able to continue on to the later missions. Enjoy! May the enemy never get a radar lock on you! -- Greg Hunt Internet: hunt@dg-rtp.rtp.dg.com DG/UX Kernel Development UUCP: {world}!mcnc!rti!dg-rtp!hunt Data General Corporation Research Triangle Park, NC, USA These opinions are mine, not DG's.
alberti@cs.umn.edu (Albatross) (12/03/90)
In <1990Dec1.194329.20431@dg-rtp.dg.com> hunt@dg-rtp.rtp.dg.com (Greg Hunt) writes: >In article <1990Nov30.175221.343@tc.fluke.COM>, logden@tc.fluke.COM (Leonard Ogden) writes: >> >> First, landing on the carrier is a BEAR! I can never seem to getlined up >> right, I seem to be to far left or right, and when itcomes time for last >> minute adjustments the joy stick puts me allover the sky!!! >You're right, it ain't easy. Practice makes perfect. Once you get >lined up in the right general direction, I'd suggest using the rudder >(the < and > keys) instead of the stick to move left and right. It's >much easier to make small adjustments to your direction with the >rudder than the ailerons. A couple more hints: If you are having problems getting aligned correctly, try this idea: make a pass over the carrier to get lined up. Don't try to land, just come in from the south, low (say 200-400 feet) and just get yourself lined up so you go over the carrier in the correct direction. Fly an inside loop until you're upside down, fly BACK over the carrier in this inverted position. Set your radar on 10 miles, and climb, still inverted, to about 3500 feet. When the carrier is 10 miles away (the signal is on the edge of the radar), cut power to 50%, and continue your inside loop until you are once again level and upright. You are now aligned with the carrier. To land on the carrier, you must be between 150-160 feet up. Come in at about 50% thrust (and gear down, of course). As soon as you are at the edge of the landing deck, cut power to 10% (don't do this too early!, if you wait longer than you should you'll still land safely). Drop your arrestor hook and when the wheels scrape, drop power to 0. It's possible that you'll miss the 10 arrestor lines strung across the deck. Additionally, you can land on the carrier from any direction (I've done it crosswise), and you won't hit the ropes at all. In this case, you'll have to taxi to the end of the carrier, turn around, drop your arrestor hook, and taxi over an arrestor line. Otherwise you won't get the "congratulations" message. For real fun, fly inverted with the afterburners going at about 30 feet altitude, then eject onto solid ground. >If you don't get the "Congrats" message, the mission wasn't considered >a success, and you'll have to try it again (press ESCAPE and start the >mission over) before you'll be able to continue on to the later >missions. Yes, and you'll know you've qualified for the "Congratulations" message because the game will pause and you'll be told "Good job! Return to carrier!" -- Bob Alberti Micro and Wkstn Networks Ctr, U of MN // aka: Albatross| Unitar- Internet: alberti@boombox.micro.UMN.EDU \\// The Mars Hotel| ian/ Disclaimer: My employer does not mean what I say. // (612) 690-4142| Univer- Ingredients: 30% header, 30% quote, 10% content, 30% cutesy signature.| salist!
elson@otc.otca.oz (Elson Markwick) (12/04/90)
>of the landing deck, cut power to 10% (don't do this too early!, if you >wait longer than you should you'll still land safely). Drop your arrestor >hook and when the wheels scrape, drop power to 0. It's also possible to generate reverse thrust if you're coming in real hot for a quick refuel say. Unfortunately, I've forgotten how. A word of warning, you can build up some real speed *backwards* doing this and fall off the carrier. >deck. Additionally, you can land on the carrier from any direction (I've done >it crosswise) Jesus H Christ, how the faaark did you stop in time?? Cheers, Elson -- Elson Markwick ACSnet: elson@otc.otca.oz.au OTC Development Unit UUCP: {uunet,mcvax}!otc.otca.oz.au!elson Ph: 02 287 3142 Internet: elson%otc.otca.oz.au@uunet.uu.net Fax:02 287 3299 Snail: GPO Box 7000, Sydney 2001, Australia
J56QC@CUNYVM.BITNET (12/04/90)
also when you're in the air try to use reverse thrust... it's very neat!
alberti@cs.umn.edu (Albatross) (12/05/90)
In <2049@otc.otca.oz> elson@otc.otca.oz (Elson Markwick) writes: >>deck. Additionally, you can land on the carrier from any direction (I've done >>it crosswise) >Jesus H Christ, how the faaark did you stop in time?? Reverse thrust is the "-" key -- drops forward thrust by 3%, increments reverse thrust by 1%. I managed to land sideways by coming in at 30% thrust (175 knots?) at 140 feet altitude, and raising the nose just before hitting the side of the carrier. As the plane stalled it climbed about 15-20 feet. I killed power, braked, and stopped facing the con tower with room to spare. But if you like that one, try this: I was out of ammo and attempting to down a MIG with my gun. It fired an IR missile which I fled by diving straight down from 35,000 feet. The MIG followed. One of my flares took out the IR and I heard an alarm which I thought was a damage indicator but was too busy to read. I killed power, rolled over to turn the jet to face the other direction, and accelerated again. Falling tail-first, I attempted to reduce my downward trajectory while firing on the MIG. Suddenly the grey shape of the conning tower loomed in my port window. My velocity showed ~0 knots. Reacting quickly, I killed my accelera- tion, lowered my landing gear, and dropped my nose. And landed on the deck of the carrier. I do not claim to have done this deliberately, nor have I been able to reproduce this stunt, although my attempts have ended in some spectacular failures :-). -- Bob Alberti Micro and Wkstn Networks Ctr, U of MN // aka: Albatross| Unitar- Internet: alberti@boombox.micro.UMN.EDU \\// The Mars Hotel| ian/ Disclaimer: My employer does not mean what I say. // (612) 690-4142| Univer- Ingredients: 30% header, 30% quote, 10% content, 30% cutesy signature.| salist!
bosart@teda.UUCP (Donald R. Bosart) (12/06/90)
alberti@cs.umn.edu (Albatross) writes: >In <2049@otc.otca.oz> elson@otc.otca.oz (Elson Markwick) writes: > <stuff about the minus key and negative thrust deleted> >followed. One of my flares took out the IR and I heard an alarm which I >thought was a damage indicator but was too busy to read. I killed power, >rolled over to turn the jet to face the other direction, and accelerated again. >Falling tail-first, I attempted to reduce my downward trajectory while firing >on the MIG. Suddenly the grey shape of the conning tower loomed in my port >window. My velocity showed ~0 knots. Reacting quickly, I killed my accelera- >tion, lowered my landing gear, and dropped my nose. And landed on the deck >of the carrier. >I do not claim to have done this deliberately, nor have I been able to >reproduce this stunt, although my attempts have ended in some spectacular >failures :-). >-- I would not have believe this except for your disclaimer of repeatability; this is a neat incident! I suppose it could really happen too -- a pilot would have to be truly insane to really try it! :-) My favorite technique for dealing with an IR and MIG on my tail is to arrange it so when the engagement starts I'm at about 7000 ft; when the MIG fires, I immediately go into an outside loop (negative gees). Usually I hit the bottom of the loop a few hundred feet above the surface (after getting the warning bells about emminent crashes), the IR slams into the ocean and the MIG too if he's stupid enough to follow! >Bob Alberti Micro and Wkstn Networks Ctr, U of MN // aka: Albatross| Unitar- >Internet: alberti@boombox.micro.UMN.EDU \\// The Mars Hotel| ian/ >Disclaimer: My employer does not mean what I say. // (612) 690-4142| Univer- >Ingredients: 30% header, 30% quote, 10% content, 30% cutesy signature.| salist! -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Donald R. Bosart Teradyne EDA West !{decwrl, sun}!teda!bosart 5155 Old Ironsides Dr. 408-980-5264 Santa Clara, CA. 95054
xrtnt@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Nigel Tzeng) (12/07/90)
In article <17740@teda.UUCP>, bosart@teda.UUCP (Donald R. Bosart) writes... ^alberti@cs.umn.edu (Albatross) writes: ^ ^>In <2049@otc.otca.oz> elson@otc.otca.oz (Elson Markwick) writes: ^ ^> <stuff about the minus key and negative thrust deleted> ^ ^>followed. One of my flares took out the IR and I heard an alarm which I ^>thought was a damage indicator but was too busy to read. I killed power, ^>rolled over to turn the jet to face the other direction, and accelerated again. ^>Falling tail-first, I attempted to reduce my downward trajectory while firing ^>on the MIG. Suddenly the grey shape of the conning tower loomed in my port ^>window. My velocity showed ~0 knots. Reacting quickly, I killed my accelera- ^>tion, lowered my landing gear, and dropped my nose. And landed on the deck ^>of the carrier. ^ ^>I do not claim to have done this deliberately, nor have I been able to ^>reproduce this stunt, although my attempts have ended in some spectacular ^>failures :-). ^>-- ^ ^I would not have believe this except for your disclaimer of ^repeatability; this is a neat incident! I suppose it could really ^happen too -- a pilot would have to be truly insane to really try it! ^:-) This reminds me of a picture I once saw. It is of an F18 on full afterburner about 20 ft off the surface of the ocean (the flames just licked the water) poiting as near vertical as one can imagine. The guy said he made a copy of the picture from an air boss on some carrier (name eludes me) where a pilot had missed his landing and ended up off the deck with almost no airspeed. The bugger threw it into afterburner and managed to pull it out without ditching the aircraft. Can't say if it's a true story or not but the photo was pretty. ^ ^>Bob Alberti Micro and Wkstn Networks Ctr, U of MN // aka: Albatross| Unitar- ^-- ^------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ^Donald R. Bosart Teradyne EDA West NT -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- // | Nigel Tzeng - STX Inc - NASA/GSFC COBE Project \X/ | xrtnt@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov | Amiga | Standard Disclaimer Applies: The opinions expressed are my own.
sanders@vax1.acs.udel.EDU (Robert M Sanders) (12/07/90)
In article <4108@dftsrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> xrtnt@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov writes: >This reminds me of a picture I once saw. It is of an F18 on full afterburner >about 20 ft off the surface of the ocean (the flames just licked the water) >poiting as near vertical as one can imagine. The guy said he made a copy of >the picture from an air boss on some carrier (name eludes me) where a pilot had >missed his landing and ended up off the deck with almost no airspeed. The >bugger threw it into afterburner and managed to pull it out without ditching >the aircraft. > Any chance of getting this photo digitized and put on the net somewhere? This sounds REALLY neat. Rob
xrtnt@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Nigel Tzeng) (12/07/90)
In article <7081@vax1.acs.udel.EDU>, sanders@vax1.acs.udel.EDU (Robert M Sanders) writes... ^In article <4108@dftsrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> xrtnt@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov writes: ^>This reminds me of a picture I once saw. It is of an F18 on full afterburner ^>about 20 ft off the surface of the ocean (the flames just licked the water) ^>poiting as near vertical as one can imagine. The guy said he made a copy of ^>the picture from an air boss on some carrier (name eludes me) where a pilot had ^>missed his landing and ended up off the deck with almost no airspeed. The ^>bugger threw it into afterburner and managed to pull it out without ditching ^>the aircraft. ^> ^Any chance of getting this photo digitized and put on the net somewhere? This ^sounds REALLY neat. ^ ^ Rob I'd like to but I don't have a copy. Anyone else in netland (former navy types) seen or have it? I'll call my friend and see if he'll do it for me. Haven't talked to him years though since he moved to the west coast ;-(. NT -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- // | Nigel Tzeng - STX Inc - NASA/GSFC COBE Project \X/ | xrtnt@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov | Amiga | Standard Disclaimer Applies: The opinions expressed are my own.
andrew@teslab.lab.OZ (Andrew Phillips) (12/11/90)
> First, landing on the carrier is a BEAR! I can never seem to > get lined up right, I seem to be to far left or right, and when > it comes time for last minute adjustments the joy stick puts me > all over the sky!!! The sensitivity of the joystick (actually I prefer the keyboard controls) is a real pain. F19 stealth is much better because you can vary the sensitivity. The best way to land is to use the magnified view to get lined up well out. Also use the rudder and air brakes if you need to vary your heading and speed at the last moment. -- Andrew Phillips (andrew@teslab.lab.oz.au) Phone +61 (Aust) 2 (Sydney) 289 8712