xanthian@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Kent Paul Dolan) (01/01/91)
gl11+@andrew.cmu.edu (Gregory James Legowski) writes: > While we're talking about classic games, let's not forget some of the > classics of the arcade that never made it home. > I'm thinking of games like Tempest and Sinistar. And of course > classics from the C64--Gyruss, Wizard of Wor, BluePrint (anyone else > remember this one--I still have the cart but not a working C64!) I > could spend HOURS coming up with a "classics" list I'd love to see > done, but I don't have the experience on the Amiga I'd need (I'm > mostly a <GASP!!> IBM-compatible user/programmer) to do true justice > to any of them... Sigh... > Anyone feel like picking up a project? :-) > (What would the legal status on copies of "older" games like these be? > Wouldn't want to get myself sued if I ever DID manage to program > one... Just covering my tracks before I make them...) The answers to this question grow most acrimonious, as the recent rec.games.programmer thread will demonstrate to the satisfaction of all. Best answer: don't do it except through the owner of the original game. Which brings up the question: when the software house buys the game, and then the farm, does ownership devolve back to the author? But anyway! Maybe we could get a thread going here of golden oldie "Games I'd Like to See on the Amgia", and then take a vote on the list and send the results off to EA, Psygnosis, and a few other shops. I'll start: Apple II+: 'Pillar Munch (PD) AE Ali Baba Alien Ambush Alien Typhoon Aliens Arcade Machine (Design your own arcade games) Artesians Autobahn Aztec Bam Battle of Shiloh Beer Run Berzerker Blade of Blackpool Borg Bug Attack Cannonball Blitz Canyon Climber Castle Wolfenstein Ceiling Zero Chivalry Choplifter Computer Air Combat Conan Cosmic Balance Crazy Mazy Creature Venture Crossfire Crossword Magic Crush Crumble & Chomp Crypto Cube Crystal Cavern Cycloids Cyclotron Cytron Master Dark Crystal (for kids, from the movie) David's Midnight Magic (another great pinball game) Dawn Patrol Death Maze Demon's Forge Depth Charge Desecration Dig Dug Dinosaurs Dogfight Droll Dung Beetles Eliza Epidemic Epoch Escape Evolution Falcons II Final Conflict (highly reminiscent of the Rivits board game) Fire and Ice Fore Gamma Goblins Genesis Gold Rush HMS Impetuous Hard Hat Mack Hell Storm Hellfire Warrior Hyper Head-on Ice Demons In Search of the Most Amazing Thing Jellyfish Juggler Juggler's Rainbow (infants) Jump Jet Jungle Hunt Jupiter Express Kameari Kamikaze Karateka Knight of Diamonds Labyrinth Legacy of LLygamyn Lemmings Loderunner Loadrunner II Loadrunner, Championship Mad Bomber Mars Cars Mask of the Sun Microbe Microwave (Great Music on an Apple II+!) Miner Miner 2049er Minotaur Missile Defense Moon Patrol Mystery Fun House New World Night Crawler Night Mission (world's greatest pinball game) NightMare Gallery Odyssey Old Ironsides Orbitron Pest Patrol (best stupid arcade shooting gallery ever written) Phantom Five Photar Planetfall Planetoids Pool 1.5 President Elect Pursuit of the Graf Spee Quasar (PD) Raster Blaster Reargard Rendezvous Repton Ringquest Roach Hotel Robot War Rockey's Boots (kids, educational) Sabotage Sands of Mars Santa Paravia (economic competition) Sea Dragon (really tough game, speech from an Apple II+!) Sea Fox Serpent's Star Serpentine Shattered Alliance Sheilah Shoot 'em Up in Space Shuttle Intercept Sky Fox Smurk Snack Attack Snake Sneakers (amazingly fun arcade shoot-em-up) Space Eggs Spitfire Spy's Demise Star Blazer Star Maze Starship Commander Stellan 7 Stone of Sisyphus Swash Buckler Taipan (economic competition plus warfare on the high seas) Talon Telengard Teleport Temple of Apshi The Eliminator The Game Show Thief Three Mile Island Thunderbirds Tigers in the Snow Time Dungeon Time Zone (12, 140K disks! Biggest Apple ][+ game ever?) Torpedo Fire Torpedo Terror Trickshot Ulyseus Valkyrie Viper Wargle Warp Destroyer Warp Factor Wavy Navy Wizardry Zaxxon Zenith IBM PC: Starflight II C64: M.U.L.E., Dragonriders of Pern (Guess which computer _I_ still have, even if it doesn't work) By no means are all those Apple games the world's greatest, I'm just trying to build a base list. The ones I kept going back to were: AE; Ali Baba; Alien; Bam; Cannonball Blitz; Choplifter; Crush, Crumble, & Chomp; David's Midnight Magic; Dung Beetles; Gold Rush; Karateka; the Loadrunner trilogy; Mask of the Sun; Microwave; Night Mission; Nightmare Gallery; Pest Patrol; Pool 1.5; Quasar; Roach Hotel; Santa Paravia; Sea Dragon; Snack Attack; Sneakers; Space Eggs; Spy's Demise; Star Blazer; Star Maze; Swash Buckler; Taipan; Teleport; Temple of Apshi; Thief; Wargle; ; Wavy Navy; and Zaxxon. Each of those games would be worth a port, not because they'd be a great challenge for the Amiga, or show it off especially, but just because they are a lot of fun to play, with lasting value. Kent, the man from xanth. <xanthian@Zorch.SF-Bay.ORG> <xanthian@well.sf.ca.us>
nsw@cbnewsm.att.com (Neil Weinstock) (01/01/91)
In article <1991Jan1.041637.29553@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG>, xanthian@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Kent Paul Dolan) writes: [ ... ] > But anyway! Maybe we could get a thread going here of golden oldie > "Games I'd Like to See on the Amgia", and then take a vote on the list > and send the results off to EA, Psygnosis, and a few other shops. [ most of list deleted ] > Canyon Climber Heh heh. I know the fellow who did the Apple II version of this. He never thought much of it... (good programmer, though) > Crossfire I love this one. Unbelievably difficult control scheme! > Night Mission (world's greatest pinball game) Yup... > Space Eggs I remember loving this one but can't for the life of me remember what it was about. Anyone care to refresh my memory? Y'know, I still don't understand why lots of the older, simpler games are just abandoned when more sophisticated hardware comes out. Some of those old games were flat out *fun*, despite having sometimes simple graphics. Plus, I think that lots of them would be a snap to port compared to doing some of the "modern" games. They could bundle a few of them together and still probably not charge too much. Oh well... - Neil --==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==-- Neil Weinstock @ AT&T Bell Labs // What was sliced bread att!edsel!nsw or nsw@edsel.att.com \X/ the greatest thing since?
brian@sky.COM (Brian Pelletier) (01/03/91)
In article <1991Jan1.041637.29553@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG> xanthian@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Kent Paul Dolan) writes: > >But anyway! Maybe we could get a thread going here of golden oldie >"Games I'd Like to See on the Amgia", and then take a vote on the list >and send the results off to EA, Psygnosis, and a few other shops. > Yes! I also remember a few classics that I'd love to see on the Amiga. How about: Wizardry (I played this on the IBM) Rocketball (C64) Ballblazer (C64, Atari 800) Racing Destruction Set (C64) Also, there used to be a lot of Summer Games, Winter Games, etc. types that were great fun when a bunch of us would get together. We'd have tournaments that would wear out a joystick VERY quickly. The Amiga versions of this `olympics` type of game either don't exist, or have become too complex to be fun. I'd like to see some of these oldies resurrected ..... > >Kent, the man from xanth. ><xanthian@Zorch.SF-Bay.ORG> <xanthian@well.sf.ca.us> Brian Pelletier, Hardware guy | Disclaimer: These are MY opinions, not SKY's. Sky Computer Chelmsford, MA | Amiga! UUCP: pelletier@grove.uucp (home) UUCP: brian@sky.com (work) | Plink: TACK
C503719@UMCVMB.MISSOURI.EDU (Baird McIntosh) (01/03/91)
Convert the 64 version of Space Taxi by MUSE Software to the Amiga... and don't over-glitz the port! A version of Space Taxi would have the potential to be a big seller, in my view. | Baird McIntosh | c503719@umcvmb.missouri.edu <-or-> c503719@umcvmb.bitnet | | COOL DRIVING TECHNIQUE #5: Wait for the closest parking space; ignore the | | cars behind you who'd be happy with *any* space sometime this millenium. |
hastoerm@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Moriland) (01/03/91)
>Yes! I also remember a few classics that I'd love to see on the Amiga. >How about: > Wizardry (I played this on the IBM) > Rocketball (C64) > Ballblazer (C64, Atari 800) You're in luck for at least this one title. As I mentioned before, I picked up a few English Amiga Mags from my local software dealer and lo-and-behold if there wasn't an ad in one of them for what looks like a full blown Amigatized version of Ballblazer! (Looks exactly the same only with more detail) It's being called by a different name as this port wasn't done by Lucasfilm Games, but hopefully they, or someone else, will import it to the states. With the blitter chip tearing things up we should get a pretty good simulation of speed as well. > Racing Destruction Set (C64) > >Also, there used to be a lot of Summer Games, Winter Games, etc. types that I believe that Winter Games and World Games I both came out for the Amiga. They were marginal ports at best. -- | hastoerm@vela.acs.oakland.edu | __ | | | __/// Viva Amiga! | | Founder Of: Evil Young | \XX/ | | Mutants For A Better Tomorrow | "Single Tasking: JUST SAY NO!" |
farren@well.sf.ca.us (Mike Farren) (01/03/91)
xanthian@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Kent Paul Dolan) writes: >Which brings up the question: when the software house buys the game, >and then the farm, does ownership devolve back to the author? Not unless this is specifically stated in the contract. The rights to the game devolve to the debtors of the company which has gone belly-up. -- Mike Farren farren@well.sf.ca.us
mjt@voodoo.UUCP (Jim Tallant) (01/04/91)
In article <1991Jan1.041637.29553@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG> xanthian@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Kent Paul Dolan) writes: > >But anyway! Maybe we could get a thread going here of golden oldie >"Games I'd Like to See on the Amgia", and then take a vote on the list >and send the results off to EA, Psygnosis, and a few other shops. > >I'll start: > >Apple II+: > >Choplifter I'd vote for this one. Loved watching those cute little guys running after the helicopter. >David's Midnight Magic (another great pinball game) Landmark Apple game. >Dig Dug Never played it on the Apple but loved the arcade version >Eliza Yawn. >Gold Rush Isn't there a Gold Rush for the Amiga? Never played it. Don't know if it's the same one. >Hard Hat Mack This one was fun! >Knight of Diamonds >Labyrinth >Legacy of LLygamyn >Santa Paravia (economic competition) >Lemmings Is this the same game I've been reading about in this newsgroup? >Loderunner >Miner 2049er Both classics and a lot of fun. Sounds like the Lemmings game being previewed here for the amiga is cut from the same mold. >Knight of Diamonds >Labyrinth >Legacy of LLygamyn >Santa Paravia (economic competition) >Taipan (economic competition plus warfare on the high seas) >Temple of Apshi >Wizardry What a trip down memory lane. These games are the reason I bought my first computer. (TRS80 Model I, 16K mem and a cassett drive!). Still have the Trash80 and the games. Have to dig them out again some day. BTW, Santa Paravia was ported to the Amiga. Picked it up for about $5 at a Swapmeet. Played exactly the same as the TRS80 version, just prettier (static) pictures. >Each of those games would be worth a port, not because they'd be a great >challenge for the Amiga, or show it off especially, but just because >they are a lot of fun to play, with lasting value. Key word there is _FUN_. Too many of the new games are all flash and no fun. And they do indeed have lasting value. Why else have I not only kept my Apple //e but also my TRS80 Model I. > >Kent, the man from xanth. ><xanthian@Zorch.SF-Bay.ORG> <xanthian@well.sf.ca.us> Jim Tallant - BoGART Dweeb mjt@voodoo.boeing.com uunet!bcstec!voodoo!mjt
elson@otc.otca.oz (Elson Markwick) (01/04/91)
>Yes! I also remember a few classics that I'd love to see on the Amiga. >How about: > Wizardry (I played this on the IBM) I used to play Wizardry many moons ago on an Apple, and yes it was a classic. However, Dungeon Master (and I'm sure many other games) have a very similar concept and a much better gameplay. Something I would like to see on amiga is something paralleling another old apple game, Cytron Masters, which was a very strategical multiplayer game involving battlesquads of robots and (naturally) a battlefield. I wrote off many afternoons playing this in school. Cheers, Elson -- Elson Markwick | The only good cat |ACSnet: elson@otc.otca.oz.au OTC R & D Unit |is a stir-fried cat|UUCP: {uunet,mcvax}!otc.otca.oz.au!elson Ph: 02 287 3142| ALF |Internet: elson%otc.otca.oz.au@uunet.uu.net Fax:02 287 3299| |Snail: GPO Box 7000, Sydney 2001, Australia
amiga-relay@ee.udel.edu (01/04/91)
From: fhwri%CONNCOLL.BITNET@cunyvm.cuny.edu
The closest thing to CYTRON MASTERS is Origin's OMEGA (NOT the PD dungeon
crawler, but a game of programming cybernetic tanks).
--Rick Wrigley
fhwri@conncoll.bitnetbill@dmntor.UUCP (Bill Kyle) (01/07/91)
I bought that game about a year ago, it's a slightly below average game. The concept is good but it is clear that the programmers spent very minimal effort enhancing the game from the 64 version to Amiga. THe basic gripe I have is that the game becomes very slow as you build a more complex tank program, it felt like I was playing on my old Apple. I would not buy this game at full price, but if you can get it for $5-10 in the discount bin then its an OK buy.
scottb@disdom.UUCP (Scott Barcik) (01/08/91)
In article <2136@otc.otca.oz> elson@otc.otca.oz (Elson Markwick) writes: >>Yes! I also remember a few classics that I'd love to see on the Amiga. >>How about: >> Wizardry (I played this on the IBM) > >I used to play Wizardry many moons ago on an Apple, and yes it was a classic. >However, Dungeon Master (and I'm sure many other games) have a very similar >concept and a much better gameplay. Something I would like to see on amiga is >something paralleling another old apple game, Cytron Masters, which was a very >strategical multiplayer game involving battlesquads of robots and (naturally) a >battlefield. I wrote off many afternoons playing this in school. If you look in the latest Amiga World (p 63) you'll find something that will no doubt delight you and every other Wizardy/Dungeonmaster fan out there. A new Wizardry! (Bane of the Cosmic Forge) From what the add says, it doesn't look all that bad, either. Some of the features: -Dungeonmaster like view-point -400 items of armor and weponry -11 Races -14 Professions w/ Ranks -Dozens of Weaponry, Physical, and Academia skills -Multiple Fighting and Parry modes -Ranged, Primary, and Secondary Weapons -Six spellbooks, 462 spell combinations -Multiple Armor Classes -Artifical Intelligence when talking to others I am definately waiting for this game...:-) (I only hope my wallet is ready! :-) ) -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scott Barcik - InterNet: scottb@disdom.UUCP WWIV-Net: 3@5309 USENET: ....!uunet!glacier!disdom!scottb ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "...and now back to our previously scheduled newsgroup..."