[comp.sys.amiga.games] M.U.L.E.

2flntopaz@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (09/29/90)

Does anyone know if M.U.L.E. from Electronic's Art ever made it to the Amiga?
(I seriously doubt it, but I can always hope...:-)

David Poland
2flntopaz@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
"Now you will see, Lone Star, that evil will always triumph because good
is dumb." - Lord Helmet.

david@starsoft.UUCP (Dave Lowrey) (09/29/90)

>In article <yorkw.654622169@stable.ecn.purdue.edu> yorkw@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Willis F York) writes:
>2flntopaz@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>
>>Does anyone know if M.U.L.E. from Electronic's Art ever made it to the Amiga?
>>(I seriously doubt it, but I can always hope...:-)
>
>WHAT EA do somthing Nice for amiga owners.... Nahhhhhh.
>(never seen mule for the AMiga and doubt if it will EVER come out,
>Look at ARTIC FOX, ARCHON,ECT.... they are OUT for the amiga
>but only 1.1! (or 1.2) and do ya think they'll ever upgrade?
>NO the stuff's been discontinued....
>
>Soo much for User Support, Makes CBM look like a Company that CAREs.
>
I am not defending EA, but you do have to consider the way they work....

EA does not write anything themselves (or very little). They contract
to distribute games written by others.

If someone develops a game that they really like, they will farm it out
to contract programmers to produce the game for other machines.

Once that version is written, then usually nothing else is done to
"improve" the game.

M.U.L.E and ARCTIC FOX came out before the Amiga was around. I guess
that either EA no longer had the rights to produce the game for the
Amiga (which I doubt), or that there wasn't a good enough business
case to justify an Amiga port.

In the case of 'stoopid' and buggy ports, I agree that there is no
excuse for some of the dumb-assed ports that EA has produced.

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yorkw@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Willis F York) (09/29/90)

2flntopaz@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:

>Does anyone know if M.U.L.E. from Electronic's Art ever made it to the Amiga?
>(I seriously doubt it, but I can always hope...:-)

WHAT EA do somthing Nice for amiga owners.... Nahhhhhh.
(never seen mule for the AMiga and doubt if it will EVER come out,
Look at ARTIC FOX, ARCHON,ECT.... they are OUT for the amiga
but only 1.1! (or 1.2) and do ya think they'll ever upgrade?
NO the stuff's been discontinued....

Soo much for User Support, Makes CBM look like a Company that CAREs.

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Sorryfor the Flames but EA pisseds Me off sometime.
The original ARTIC FOX neded the JOYSTICK in the MOUSE port!
(How DUMB can you get!?)
.

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a665@mindlink.UUCP (Anthon Pang) (09/30/90)

Has anyone tried running MULE with the new 64 emulator (that's being discussed
in c.s.a)?  Or is that now a suitable solution?

yorkw@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Willis F York) (10/01/90)

>>
>>WHAT EA do somthing Nice for amiga owners.... Nahhhhhh.
>>Look at ARTIC FOX, ARCHON,ECT.... they are OUT for the amiga
>>but only 1.1! (or 1.2) and do ya think they'll ever upgrade?
>>NO the stuff's been discontinued....
>>

>If someone develops a game that they really like, they will farm it out
>to contract programmers to produce the game for other machines.

Interesting Way of Doing Business....

>Once that version is written, then usually nothing else is done to
>"improve" the game.

How about fixing the Program so it will work with FAST ram or a 2nd drive.
or anything other then KS 1.1?  (What user support??? Nahhhh...)

(Sory the above sounds like a Major Flame.... :'}    )

>M.U.L.E and ARCTIC FOX came out before the Amiga was around. I guess
>that either EA no longer had the rights to produce the game for the
>Amiga (which I doubt), or that there wasn't a good enough business
>case to justify an Amiga port.

ARTIC FOX IS OUT FOR THE AMIGA, it will run under 1.2 with NOFASTRAM
and the Joystick in the Mouse PORT, It's not a Bad game but 
will it EVER be upgraded for a 3000? Nah......

No Profit in it....
and regestered owners?  Who needes them?.
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Frank.Neumann@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Frank Neumann) (10/01/90)

Hi, M.U.L.E.-oids,
yorkw@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Willis F York) writes:
>2flntopaz@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>>Does anyone know if M.U.L.E. from Electronic's Art ever made it to the Amiga?
>>(I seriously doubt it, but I can always hope...:-)
>WHAT EA do somthing Nice for amiga owners.... Nahhhhhh.
>(never seen mule for the AMiga and doubt if it will EVER come out,
>Look at ARTIC FOX, ARCHON,ECT.... they are OUT for the amiga
>but only 1.1! (or 1.2) and do ya think they'll ever upgrade?
>NO the stuff's been discontinued....

Sorry, guys, but i'm pleased to tell you that you are
		   W  R  O  N  G  !!!!   :-)

M.U.L.E. is in development for the Amiga, a german games factory(?) is
working on this. I've already seen some pictures in a german computer
& video games mag, and it looks neat!
It will, however, differ a little from the old (ORIGINAL) Atari 8-bit
version. E.g., there will be a new type of action, using 'defensive'
plots. These don't produce anything, but when pirates are coming, the
player with _MOST_ of these defensive plots will not be robbed.
Nice, eh ?? :) Besides, the graphics have been reworked to fit the
Amiga's capabilities (especially inside the 'sales room' (don't know
a better word for it now - hope you'll understand...) )
There is even more to it - it was said to be supporting 4 players,
that is the (somewhere posted) interface to get 2 more joysticks
plugged to the parallel port. Imagine that ! Playing, as in good ol'
times, with four players at one auction, each trying to get a plot
that is to be sold as cheap as possible - and suddenly letting others
take it for a horrible price!! :>
Well, all I can say is i hope it will be out soon - and there will be
a NTSC version for you guys on the other side of the atlantic... :|

P.S.:The same guys are also working on an Amiga port of BALLBLAZER!!!
Keep tuned! :)

Adios,
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2flntopaz@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (10/01/90)

In article <3364@mindlink.UUCP>, a665@mindlink.UUCP (Anthon Pang) writes:
> Has anyone tried running MULE with the new 64 emulator (that's being discussed
> in c.s.a)?  Or is that now a suitable solution?

I haven't had a chance to try it yet, but on my 68000 it would probably
run incredibly slow (I've run a few other games first), plus at the moment
there isn't any sound support, but the manual for it says that it will
be in the next release.

David Poland
2flntopaz@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu

ovb10@erato.cs.kun.nl (ovb cursus) (10/02/90)

Frank.Neumann@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Frank Neumann) writes:

>M.U.L.E. is in development for the Amiga, a german games factory(?) is
>working on this. I've already seen some pictures in a german computer
>& video games mag, and it looks neat!

Yes !!

>There is even more to it - it was said to be supporting 4 players,
>that is the (somewhere posted) interface to get 2 more joysticks
>plugged to the parallel port. Imagine that ! Playing, as in good ol'
>times, with four players at one auction, each trying to get a plot
>that is to be sold as cheap as possible - and suddenly letting others
>take it for a horrible price!! :>

Give that man a cigar! My life is perfect again. Too bad I have to quit playing
Wings and SimCity now.

>Adios,
>    Frank Neumann

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words with sh.... in front of them),
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diogenes@bbs.sbs.com (Diogenes) (10/05/90)

David Poland on 29 sept 90 asked if MULE was ever translated to the Amiga, I 
don't think so - one of the local boards I dealt with over the summer had a 
discussion going about it and everyone was pretty convinced it didn't exist. 
MULE's one of the few games I'd actively look forward to buying - I don't 
have enough money to get much software, but MULE'd be right up there with 
Ultima V - get to work Electronic Arts!!!  (Of course, maybe we could 
convince some brilliant programmer to make a PD rip off of it...  Nah, 
that's cheating...)   
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                                The American Way

diogenes@bbs.sbs.com (Diogenes) (10/05/90)

Call for programmers!  If anyone out there would like help designing a PD 
MULE - I would gladly help!  I CANNOT program!  But I can do pretty snazzy 
graphics and I'm good at working out the rules - I'm also a student so I'm 
used to working incredibly hard - think it over.

bscott@isis.cs.du.edu (Ben Scott) (10/08/90)

In article <3532@uniol.UUCP> Frank.Neumann@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Frank Neumann) writes:
[...] 
>M.U.L.E. is in development for the Amiga, a german games factory(?) is
>working on this. I've already seen some pictures in a german computer
>& video games mag, and it looks neat!

Good news so far... except that I am HOPING for once they'll program to
the specs so it'll work on other machines besides a stock 500...

>It will, however, differ a little from the old (ORIGINAL) Atari 8-bit

Oh, NO.  Please, don't change perfection.  ARRRRGH!!!!!    WHY are they
doing this?  Why can't they leave it alone?  

>version. E.g., there will be a new type of action, using 'defensive'
>plots. These don't produce anything, but when pirates are coming, the
>player with _MOST_ of these defensive plots will not be robbed.
>Nice, eh ?? :) Besides, the graphics have been reworked to fit the
>Amiga's capabilities (especially inside the 'sales room' (don't know

No, not "nice".  And as for reworking the graphics, well, it probably
won't affect the game much (probably) but it's not necessary - this is
one case where a direct 64 port would have been best.  You got the "board
game" feel more from those graphics than you would from fancified Amiga
imagery.

>Well, all I can say is i hope it will be out soon - and there will be
>a NTSC version for you guys on the other side of the atlantic... :|

An NTSC "version"??  It's not exactly difficult to make it work both ways,
folks.  For those of us who can run BOTH.

>P.S.:The same guys are also working on an Amiga port of BALLBLAZER!!!

Now THIS, on the other hand, could be distinctly interesting!!  A great
game too simple to mess up.  Yes, this I would look forward to.

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mikkelsond@breakr.enet.dec.com (snopes) (10/25/90)

In article <1644@joker.tegra.COM>, nad@tegra.COM (Nancy Durgin) writes...
> 
>The main reason I want an Amiga version is so I can retire my Atari 800,
>whose only purpose in life at this point is to play M.U.L.E.
>

 Wow, so I'm not the only one who's lugging around a toaster-oven Atari
 800 and clackety disk drive to play this game!

 Has anybody ever noticed that you can increase your scores tremendously
 by driving up the price of everything in the last round?  Just sell one unit
 of anything to another player at as high a price as you can set, and it
 inflates the final cost of the commodity.  Of course, this requires a little
 cooperation from another player, since most people aren't dumb enough to 
 buy anything from you in the final round.

 - snopes

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jwalsh@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (John Lawrence Walsh) (04/25/91)

	Was M.U.L.E. ever available for the Amiga, if so, where can I
	buy a copy (either new or used).  This was perhaps one of my
	favorite games when I had an Atari 800 (also, BlueMax <- not the
	new one).

	And, how about Archon I or II?

				Thanks,

				John Walsh
				jwalsh@csd4.csd.uwm.edu

jgreene@dorm.rutgers.edu (Jeffrey Greene) (04/26/91)

jwalsh@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (John Lawrence Walsh) writes:


>	Was M.U.L.E. ever available for the Amiga, if so, where can I
>	buy a copy (either new or used).  This was perhaps one of my
>	favorite games when I had an Atari 800 (also, BlueMax <- not the
>	new one).

>	And, how about Archon I or II?

 Both Archons are available for the Amiga.
jon

yorkw@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Willis F York) (04/26/91)

jgreene@dorm.rutgers.edu (Jeffrey Greene) writes:

>jwalsh@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (John Lawrence Walsh) writes:

>>	Was M.U.L.E. ever available for the Amiga, if so, where can I
>>	buy a copy (either new or used).  This was perhaps one of my
>>	favorite games when I had an Atari 800 (also, BlueMax <- not the
>>	new one).

>>	And, how about Archon I or II?

> Both Archons are available for the Amiga.
>jon

Good luck finding the archons, and better luck with getting them to WORK.
(I've never seen them) The other OLD ea titles don't like stuff like
non-Chip Memory, Anything higher then a 68000, and Very picky about drive alingment.

If ya DO find the programs find a copy program and de-protect/fix them.

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2fmlempire@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (04/26/91)

In article <yorkw.672611079@stable.ecn.purdue.edu>, yorkw@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Willis F York) writes:
> jgreene@dorm.rutgers.edu (Jeffrey Greene) writes:
> 
>>jwalsh@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (John Lawrence Walsh) writes:
> 
> 
>>>	Was M.U.L.E. ever available for the Amiga, if so, where can I
>>>	buy a copy (either new or used).  This was perhaps one of my
>>>	favorite games when I had an Atari 800 (also, BlueMax <- not the
>>>	new one).
> 
>>>	And, how about Archon I or II?
> 
>> Both Archons are available for the Amiga.
>>jon
> 
> Good luck finding the archons, and better luck with getting them to WORK.
> (I've never seen them) The other OLD ea titles don't like stuff like
> non-Chip Memory, Anything higher then a 68000, and Very picky about drive alingment.
> 
> If ya DO find the programs find a copy program and de-protect/fix them.
> 

Well, I have Archon I with a 68000 + 3 megs + 1 meg agnus and have tried
like crazy to get it to work with the above mentioned patches.  But I only
get as far as the EOA screen and then it gurus every time.  I'd also love
to get Seven Cities to work too (unfortunately both were written for 1.1)

Oh yeah, I'm running it under 1.3 (and have tried 1.2 with no luck as well.)

So, am I doing something wrong or do the patches not work with my setup?

David Poland
2fmlempire@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu

yorkw@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Willis F York) (04/26/91)

>> If ya DO find the programs find a copy program and de-protect/fix them.
>> 

>Well, I have Archon I with a 68000 + 3 megs + 1 meg agnus and have tried
>like crazy to get it to work with the above mentioned patches.  But I only
>get as far as the EOA screen and then it gurus every time.  I'd also love
>to get Seven Cities to work too (unfortunately both were written for 1.1)
>Oh yeah, I'm running it under 1.3 (and have tried 1.2 with no luck as well.)
>So, am I doing something wrong or do the patches not work with my setup?


Nope, the problem is with EA, (Big suprise eh?) Too bad if the programs DID
work right under 1.3 i'd Go BUY THEM,  But the last game of EA's i
bought (OLD game that is) was Stewarts Smiths Adventure COns set.
(It was on SALE!) it would ONLY work after i copied it with NIB 2.0
Artic FOX did not like fast mem, (Get rid of all ya memory eh?)


Too bad ea has NO upgrade policy, Heck has ANYONE gotten a upgrade to
DpaintIII? The fix that fixes the 2 meg chip problem?

Get an amiga 1000, with 1.1! That's what EA uses.. (Seems like it eh?)

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fhwri%CONNCOLL.BITNET@yalevm.ycc.yale.edu (04/26/91)

>
>
>       Was M.U.L.E. ever available for the Amiga, if so, where can I
>       buy a copy (either new or used).  This was perhaps one of my
>       favorite games when I had an Atari 800 (also, BlueMax <- not the
>       new one).
>
>       And, how about Archon I or II?
>
>                               Thanks,
>
>                               John Walsh
>                               jwalsh@csd4.csd.uwm.edu

Well, you used to able to buy both ARCHONs, but, sadly, M.U.L.E. has never
been made available for the Amiga. I talked with an EA rep last weekend and
she said that the tale (heard recently on the net) that EA was working on an
advanced version of the game about six months ago was not true. They do own
the code for any computer version (Mindscape owns Nintendo rights), so a
PD/Shareware version looks out. From everything I have heard, EA loves the
game as much as we do, but they are a business, and M.U.L.E. sold VERY
poorly. (As did the also sadly out of print INSTANT MUSIC)...

                                                --Rick Wrigley
                                                fhwri@conncoll.bitnet
                M.U.L.E.skinners UNITE!
>

2fmlempire@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (04/26/91)

> 
> Well, you used to able to buy both ARCHONs, but, sadly, M.U.L.E. has never
> been made available for the Amiga. I talked with an EA rep last weekend and
> she said that the tale (heard recently on the net) that EA was working on an
> advanced version of the game about six months ago was not true. They do own
> the code for any computer version (Mindscape owns Nintendo rights), so a
> PD/Shareware version looks out. From everything I have heard, EA loves the
> game as much as we do, but they are a business, and M.U.L.E. sold VERY
> poorly. (As did the also sadly out of print INSTANT MUSIC)...
> 
>                                                 --Rick Wrigley
>                                                 fhwri@conncoll.bitnet
>                 M.U.L.E.skinners UNITE!
>>

That's the reason they aren't working on it?  Because almost 7-8 years ago
it didn't sell well???  How about the re-make of good old Stellar 7?
It seems to be doing well.  MULE is one of the main reasons I still keep
my C-128 around.

David Poland
2fmlempire@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu

hychejw@infonode.ingr.com (Jeff W. Hyche) (04/26/91)

fhwri%CONNCOLL.BITNET@yalevm.ycc.yale.edu writes:

>the code for any computer version (Mindscape owns Nintendo rights), so a
	
	M.U.L.E. does exist for the Nintendo, I would love to get this
game for the Amiga but I looks I have reason to buy one of these junk
heaps now.
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kent@vf.jsc.nasa.gov (04/26/91)

In article <11386@uwm.edu>, jwalsh@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (John Lawrence Walsh) writes:
> 	Was M.U.L.E. ever available for the Amiga, if so, where can I

	Not that I ever saw, pity, its a good game.

> 	And, how about Archon I or II?

	Archon I was released for workbench 1.1 If was pretty much a strait
	port.  It works on my A1000 with KS 1.1, but not on my A2000 in any
	way.

	Archon II ?????

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rsmith@seq.uncwil.edu (Ross Smith) (04/27/91)

here comes the quarterly M.U.L.E. thread again...

to summarize :

   1) everyone agrees it was/is a great game.

   2) everyone wishes they could get it in something other than 8-bit
      machine format

   3) EA aint gonna do squat about it because they only ever sold
      a small amount (comparitively) of M.U.L.E. units

just like condoms are the most frequently shoplifted item, because of need
and popularity, so was M.U.L.E. copied often, by many people, because of
'need' and popularity and ease of learning.

   if 10% of the people that 'love' the game had bought it, perhaps a port
would already have been done. I've got my registered copy (for my 64) ...
I dont think they really care about anyone on here saying 'me and all my
freinds would buy it' because of past experience.

they look at it 2 ways...

   1) it is of limited appeal... so a few sales...

   2) is is too good, so many copies, so a few sales...

either way, it is not in EAs interests to do a port. Keep that little
8-bit humming, or go buy a Nintendo. Of course the retail of M.U.L.E. for
the Nintendo is on the order of $50+ (granted, that was last x-mas...)

Anyway, they aint gonna port it. Live with it. Next subject.

                                    Ross