deh@ndmath.UUCP (David Hurtubise) (08/03/90)
I know this has been asked before, but has DM II been released for the amiga? I read on here about a month ago that it was in beta testing, but that was the last I heard. deh@sanger.chem.nd.edu
arxt@quads.uchicago.edu (patrick palmer) (12/28/90)
I tried posting this before, but apparently it didn't work. I have gotten as far as I can along each of the Ways, but I can't get any farther without a Skeleton Key. Where can I find one? Is there one in each of the Ways? Also, what good are Keys of B? I can't find any locks for them, and I have four or five of them now. Where can I find Cross Keys? Are they in the Skeleton Key areas? Is it just my characters or is CSB combat easier than DM? Maybe I just haven't gotten to the hard parts yet, but those dragons and that stone golem went down awfully fast. Thanks in advance, Aidan Palmer
a309@mindlink.UUCP (George Lin) (12/29/90)
> arxt@quads.uchicago.edu writes: > > Msg-ID: <1990Dec28.032030.2691@midway.uchicago.edu> > Posted: 28 Dec 90 03:20:30 GMT > > Org. : University of Chicago > Person: patrick palmer > > > I tried posting this before, but apparently it didn't work. > I have gotten as far as I can along each of the Ways, but I can't get > any farther without a Skeleton Key. Where can I find one? Is there one > in each of the Ways? Also, what good are Keys of B? I can't find any > locks for them, and I have four or five of them now. Where can I find > Cross Keys? Are they in the Skeleton Key areas? Is it just my characters > or is CSB combat easier than DM? Maybe I just haven't gotten to the hard > parts yet, but those dragons and that stone golem went down awfully fast. > Thanks in advance, > Aidan Palmer What Can I tell you about the Skeleton key? Well, there is only _ONE_ skeleton key. Unlike the other keys, it does _not_ dissapear when you put it into the skull keyhole (normally). (ie. the key can be used over and over again) There is one skeleton keyhole near the Corbium that uses up the key. I guess this is supposed to be for the "end" of the game. Where Is The Key???? Well, I honestly can't remeber where exactly, but I do remember I picked it up early in the game, and I'm quite sure I received it after destroying some knights. QUESTIONS? Is the Calista Crown good for anything? Is it better to dress up your priest in the fine robe and sandles (from the "way of the priest" the CrownOf??? [gives ~10 extra wisdom points] and a fine robe with sandles can be found. Cross of Neta--> Use the "Vending Machine") Is the Morning Star a good for anything special? (ie the Mace of order gives extra carrying capacity) I've found 3 pairs of SpeedBoots. Anyone found 4? (One near Chaos) --------------------------------------------- George Lin a309@mindlink uunet!van-bc!rsoft!mindlink!George_Lin -- George Lin a309@mindlink uunet!van-bc!rsoft!mindlink!George_Lin
tanner@sapphire.idbsu.edu (cs127- Byron (Mark) Tanner) (01/01/91)
Part of what makes Chaos Strikes Back so difficult is the randomness. For instance, the skeleton key can appear in one of twenty or so places, along with a lot of other items... By the way, you don't need the skeleton key its just rather handy. I have just completed two of the paths. Yeesh, Chaos is a pain, I wish he would leave me alone. Yeah, right. I fight the knights face to face. I have the front two attacking and while waiting for their weapons to be readied again, I have the back two casting heal potions... (It takes afew) I never even look until I hear em fall to the ground. Another help, poison clouds and balls work best on almost all monsters, especially dragons. Look for the lock picks. They'll save you alot of keys. Overall, I would suggest high level characters. Give you a tiny feeling of security. I have Master level everything, top char has around 800 hitpts. AND STILL I get wiped out without batting an eye. Save the game, FREQUENTLY. Good-luck, Mark
parker@cs.wvu.wvnet.edu (James Parker) (01/02/91)
% Well, there is only _ONE_ skeleton key. Unlike the other keys, it does
% _not_ disappear when you put it into the skull keyhole (normally).
% Where is the Key???
% Well, I honestly can't remember where exactly, but I do remember I picked
% it up early in the game, and I'm quite sure I received it after destroying
% some knights.
I found the Skeleton Key, but I found it after I killed a thief (giggler).
Funny thing is, I restarted from a spot saved before that, killed the thief
again and got a different key (Onyx, I think) that time.
Hmmmmm...live and learn
Parker
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Lab Coordinator |cs170703644@vger.nsu.edu (01/02/91)
In article <1174@h.cs.wvu.wvnet.edu>, parker@cs.wvu.wvnet.edu (James Parker) writes: > % Well, there is only _ONE_ skeleton key. Unlike the other keys, it does > % _not_ disappear when you put it into the skull keyhole (normally). > > % Where is the Key??? > > % Well, I honestly can't remember where exactly, but I do remember I picked > % it up early in the game, and I'm quite sure I received it after destroying > % some knights. > > I found the Skeleton Key, but I found it after I killed a thief (giggler). > Funny thing is, I restarted from a spot saved before that, killed the thief > again and got a different key (Onyx, I think) that time. I've been playing CSB pretty steadily since Christmas. I now have a collection of 10-12 keys, and can't find any place to use them. Most are iron keys, but I also have a sapphire key, an onyx key, a gold key....can't remember what else. Oh, yeah, two Keys of B. I understand that I have to have a certain key to get to the rest of the dungeon. anybody got any clues as to where I go for that? I can get back to the Junction of the Four Ways with no problem, and tend to use stairs to go down a level (lacking a rope....sigh), but cannot find a door to the sections below. I AM NOT even really sure what level I am on; I have been up and down that dungeon till I am all messed up. I have dealt with the water monsters and have also dealt with those things that sneak along the floor and then rise up and attack; they look like moving slime till they rare back--then they are clear and all teeth. That (I think) is the lowest level I have been on. Jean +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | werjun@large | I'm so sick of hearing about Elvis. | + cs170703644@vger.nsu.edu + I wish he was dead! + | | | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
arxt@quads.uchicago.edu (patrick palmer) (01/02/91)
In article <1174@h.cs.wvu.wvnet.edu> parker@cs.wvu.wvnet.edu (James Parker) writes: >% Where is the Key??? > >% Well, I honestly can't remember where exactly, but I do remember I picked >% it up early in the game, and I'm quite sure I received it after destroying >% some knights. >I found the Skeleton Key, but I found it after I killed a thief (giggler). >Funny thing is, I restarted from a spot saved before that, killed the thief >again and got a different key (Onyx, I think) that time. I found the Skeleton Key on the FUL YA pit level, although the hint oracle says that a giggler has it. >Parker > >-- > James Parker (parker@a.cs.wvu.wvnet.edu) /* STANDARD DISCLAIMERS */ > WVU ComputerScience | > Graphic & Computation | Do not write in this space. > Lab Coordinator | - Aidan Palmer
rlawrence@halluc.FIDONET.ORG (Richard Lawrence) (01/02/91)
-> I found the Skeleton Key, but I found it after I killed a thief -> (giggler). Funny thing is, I restarted from a spot saved before that, -> killed the thief again and got a different key (Onyx, I think) that -> time. The key does disappear eventually, when you put it in the last Skeleton head. That's right at the end of the game - where I am - but I only have to Corbum rocks! ARGH! I've never been able to get the Diabolical Demon Director "Open" beyond the extent of going up, down to kill the Dragon, and through to "KU". Anybody who has some ideas on how to get some of the through passages open on this sucker, I need help. BTW, a lot of people are saying they finished without seeing Chaos. Well, I sure did. Pumped about 30-40 sixth level fireballs into him and he didn't bat an eye. Hmmmm. Anybody know if he can be killed? -Rich -- Richard Lawrence - via FidoNet node 1:109/345 UUCP: ...!uunet!halluc!rlawrence INTERNET: rlawrence@halluc.FIDONET.ORG
keith@actrix.gen.nz (Keith Stewart) (01/27/91)
When selecting my characters from the prison I found one called Lor hidden behind a secret door (I stumbled into the wall). After killing the mummys I found the door open and I resurrected him. He is a powerful fighter. I then decidedto look carefully at all walls and found another false one that leads to a room downstairs full of rock creatures. Off to the side and upsome stairs is a doorwith a grill in it and you can see the picture of a champion on the wall. How do you open that door. I have tried rocks, fire every spell I can think of. What champion is so hard to get to?
dvljhg@cs.umu.se (J|rgen Holmberg) (01/28/91)
In article <1991Jan27.050749.26007@actrix.gen.nz> keith@actrix.gen.nz (Keith Stewart) writes: >When selecting my characters from the prison I found one called Lor >hidden behind a secret door (I stumbled into the wall). After killing >the mummys I found the door open and I resurrected him. He is a powerful >fighter. I then decidedto look carefully at all walls and found another >false one that leads to a room downstairs full of rock creatures. Off to >the side and upsome stairs is a doorwith a grill in it and you can see >the picture of a champion on the wall. >How do you open that door. I have tried rocks, fire every spell I can >think of. What champion is so hard to get to? You hear a click when looking at Plague, that might be it? Where did you find these characters, close to xxx will suffice. I need a powerful fighter :-) /Jorgen -- ******************************************************************************* email dvljhg@cs.umu.se - other ways to communicate are a waste of time. Everything I say is always true, just apply it to the right reality. "Credo, quia absurdum est." Credo in absurdum est?
kuento@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (01/28/91)
In article <1991Jan27.185816.29489@cs.umu.se>, dvljhg@cs.umu.se (J|rgen Holmberg) writes: > In article <1991Jan27.050749.26007@actrix.gen.nz> keith@actrix.gen.nz (Keith Stewart) writes: >>When selecting my characters from the prison I found one called Lor >>hidden behind a secret door (I stumbled into the wall). After killing >>the mummys I found the door open and I resurrected him. He is a powerful >>fighter. I then decidedto look carefully at all walls and found another >>false one that leads to a room downstairs full of rock creatures. Off to >>the side and upsome stairs is a doorwith a grill in it and you can see >>the picture of a champion on the wall. >>How do you open that door. I have tried rocks, fire every spell I can >>think of. What champion is so hard to get to? > > You hear a click when looking at Plague, that might be it? Let me squelch all this right off. There are two hidden heroes. The game will only let you take *ONE* of them. If you want Lor, then you can't have any more than two heroes already in the group. If you want Kazai, you can get him as long as you haven't chosen - or even *visited* Lor. In othger words, if you want one of these guys, *don't* enter the area that contains the other one. Lor is near Tunda, and Kazai is near Petal.> /Jorgen > -- > ******************************************************************************* > email dvljhg@cs.umu.se - other ways to communicate are a waste of time. > Everything I say is always true, just apply it to the right reality. > "Credo, quia absurdum est." Credo in absurdum est? -- -------(please include "DY" in subj header of mail to this user)-------- Doug "Speaker-To-Insects" Yanega "UT!" Bitnet: KUENTO@UKANVAX My card: 0 The Fool (Snow Museum, Univ. of KS, Lawrence, KS 66045) "Bobby, jiggle Grandpa's rat so it looks alive." "Roota! Voota! ZOOT!"
dwb7041@cec1.wustl.edu (Dave Bartels) (01/29/91)
In article <1991Jan27.050749.26007@actrix.gen.nz> keith@actrix.gen.nz (Keith Stewart) writes: >When selecting my characters from the prison I found one called Lor >hidden behind a secret door (I stumbled into the wall). After killing >the mummys I found the door open and I resurrected him. He is a powerful >fighter. I then decidedto look carefully at all walls and found another >false one that leads to a room downstairs full of rock creatures. Off to >the side and upsome stairs is a doorwith a grill in it and you can see >the picture of a champion on the wall. >How do you open that door. I have tried rocks, fire every spell I can >think of. What champion is so hard to get to? The champion you can't get at is a powerful ninja character, but CSB only allows you to get one of the 2 special characters - once you add either one, the door falls blocking you off from the second. I've never found any way to get both - anyone out there know a trick?
egp@sarah.amiga.OCUnix.On.Ca (Eric Plante) (01/29/91)
In a message posted on 27 Jan 91 05:07:49 GMT, keith@actrix.gen.nz (Keith Stewart) wrote: KS>How do you open that door. I have tried rocks, fire every spell I can KS>think of. What champion is so hard to get to? That problem had me working for quite a while... After some time and a few experiments I realised, as far as I can figure, you can only select one of the two, either Lor Champion of Good (the best fighter in the prison), or Kazai Shadow Warrior (the best ninja in the prison). When you select one of them, the door to the other one closes. Also, if you select any Undead character before you select one of these super-characters, you will hear a click. What happens is that there's a secret button hidden behind each of the mirrors that gets depressed when you select an Undead. That button closes both gates to get to the super-characters!! So if you want a combination of an Undead with one of those guys, you're stuck with two characters trying to fight mummies or rock monsters (about 10-14 of them)! If anyone finds a way to get both Lor and Kazai, please tell me! Right now I have Kazai, Skelar (an Undead fighter), Mantia (priest insectoid), and Petal (a Wizard fairie). I find that it's the best possible combo, unless there's a way to keep the gates open! --- ________________________________________________________________________ [ ][ ] [ Eric Plante ][ Opinions expressed in this ] [ Fido: 1:163/109.63 (819)568-6850 ][ message do not necessarily ] [ UUCP: ...!fts1!atronx!sarah!egp ][ reflect those of its author.. ] [____________________________________][__________________________________]
egp@sarah.amiga.OCUnix.On.Ca (Eric Plante) (01/29/91)
In a message posted on 27 Jan 91 18:58:16 GMT, dvljhg@cs.umu.se (J|rgen Holmberg) wrote: JH>Where did you find these characters, close to xxx will suffice. JH> JH>I need a powerful fighter :-) Lor is at the uppermost part of the map, if you consider your starting point as the bottom facing top (He's near Itza, the Aztec-like human). Kazai is at the leftmost part of the prison, just below the fairie section (it's alot easier when you map the whole place). Both passages are hidden by fake walls, and go "out" of the maze (once you've mapped the maze, the passages are on the exterior walls). JH>******************************************************************************* JH>email dvljhg@cs.umu.se - other ways to communicate are a waste of time. JH>Everything I say is always true, just apply it to the right reality. JH>"Credo, quia absurdum est." Credo in absurdum est? --- ________________________________________________________________________ [ ][ ] [ Eric Plante ][ Opinions expressed in this ] [ Fido: 1:163/109.63 (819)568-6850 ][ message do not necessarily ] [ UUCP: ...!fts1!atronx!sarah!egp ][ reflect those of its author.. ] [____________________________________][__________________________________]
Stewart.Mckinnon@p0.f178.n221.z1.fidonet.org (Stewart Mckinnon) (01/30/91)
It is my belief that it is impossible to obtain both Elite characters form these areas. When you first enter the Mirror Level. The condition would be as follows: The door would be open for Kazai and closed for Lor, but if you chose ANY other character EXCEPT from the UNDEAD group (such as Plague or Skelar...even LOOKING at these will close the door on LOR) Then, when you choose one or two of the other characters, go down the hallway that lies between ITZA and LANA walk about 3 steps down from the corner and go through the wall. LOR'S door should be open, but noi closed on KAZAI. -- Stewart Mckinnon - via FidoNet node 1:221/171 UUCP : watmath!xenitec!zswamp!178.0!Stewart.Mckinnon Internet: Stewart.Mckinnon@p0.f178.n221.z1.fidonet.org
spierce@pnet01.cts.com (Stuart Pierce) (02/05/91)
I believe I remember someone saying that the cursed armor in Chaos Strikes
Back doesn't protect your characters any. Is this correct? I guess I'll just
throw it away then.
In one room, there was an etched square that produced Screamers everytime I
stepped on it. A big spider followed. This was a great source of food while
it lasted, but now it doesn't generate any monsters. Fortunately, there are
plenty of rats on another level.
CSB is a lot harder to map than Dungeon Master.
Stuart Piercefreund@sakura.ucdavis.edu (Jason Freund) (02/05/91)
Places I need help: 1) On the level with the fireballs, the sorpions, and the door to "Death Row" or whatever, there is a room with a green gem and two buttons on the floor. I took and used the green gem. Is there anything else I need to do in that room? 2) Along "Dead End." I followed dead end around and found the button that opened up the area to the dragon's den and did all that. But I noticed there's a teleport along the long corridor leading to the end of "dead end" Is there anything else I'm supposed to do in there? 3) DDD level. Facing the writing "Trust Me, Enter the Pit" a. What is written above "Trust Me..." b. About 2-3 squares to the left is a force field after a pit that I can't close that just moves objects 2 squares in front of it. On the other side of a pit (between 2 stairs) is a little button hidden inside a crack in the wall that closes off a force field in the DDD room. How do I close the pit to get over to the force field that zaps things 2 squares back? I've been wandering for days and I can't find anything new to do. Jason follow up to csag or to freund@sakura.ucdavis.edu Thanks
Stewart.Mckinnon@p0.f178.n221.z1.fidonet.org (Stewart Mckinnon) (02/06/91)
RE: Screamers being reproduced....I wonder if you MAY be getting CHAOS mixed up with Dungeon Master...the only place that there are screamers in CHAOS is on Level 8 NETA...and yes, there was a spider there too, but I doubt they regenerated, as I only saw 6 or 8 and one spider, and I was in and out of that level all the time afterwards. Also, you mentioned RATS...there are NONE in CHAOS, but there are in Dungeon Master. There was a room on the Purple Worm level of Dungeon Master that reproduced Screamers for a LONG time, and DID stop as you say...I'd guess you were thinking of Dungeon Master.... -- Stewart Mckinnon - via FidoNet node 1:221/171 UUCP : watmath!xenitec!zswamp!178.0!Stewart.Mckinnon Internet: Stewart.Mckinnon@p0.f178.n221.z1.fidonet.org
Stewart.Mckinnon@p0.f178.n221.z1.fidonet.org (Stewart Mckinnon) (02/06/91)
RE: questions on CHAOS..... (1) On the level of the Scorpions and Death Row...did the door in the main area (past the Scorpion's Lair) not open up once you stepped in front of it? That will take you to some stairs that will lead you up to the Dragon Area above.... (2) RE: the writing "above" TRUST ME ENTER THE PIT...there is none. Look at ALL the inscriptions...it LOOKS like there's writing above ALL of them. TRUST ME...THERE"S NOT :-) (3) RE: the pit that can't seemed to be closed. It can! But you have to do it from another level! HINT: if you played Dungeon Master, remember "ENLARGE MY VIEW"? Same applies here. You'll know when you find it! -- Stewart Mckinnon - via FidoNet node 1:221/171 UUCP : watmath!xenitec!zswamp!178.0!Stewart.Mckinnon Internet: Stewart.Mckinnon@p0.f178.n221.z1.fidonet.org
jel2364@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (LATORRE, JE) (02/19/91)
There are three switches or buttons I found which I have no clue to what they do. The first one is on the level where it says "figters charge" and where all the fire elementals are. There is a button next to a fire elemental thats next to the stairs where you enter. Its to the left of the flask with water where if you pick it up you fall down a pit. The second is next to the gate that you enter to get to the "pain" gold door. The third on the level where you fight the hell hounds and pass the fireballs shooting straight at you you go down a stairs, turn right and theres a big button on the wall with a pit in front of you. I tried throwing stuff in that area but I only managed to open a passage of stairs going down on my left. Your help is greatly appreciated. fireballs that shoot at when fighting the hel
kuento@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (02/23/91)
In article <1991Feb18.220844.28736@isc.rit.edu>, jel2364@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (LATORRE, JE) writes: > There are three switches or buttons I found which I have no clue to what > they do. The first one is on the level where it says "figters charge" and > where all the fire elementals are. There is a button next to a fire elemental > thats next to the stairs where you enter. Its to the left of the flask with > water where if you pick it up you fall down a pit. The second is next to the That button keeps that pit from opening up. You are supposed to stand on that square and *run* across the room towards the Ku area - if you do it correctly, with the first pit closed, then the wall in your path disappears, the second pit closes, and *bingo*! There you are in the KU area, without having to climb in the pit! > gate that you enter to get to the "pain" gold door. The third on the level > where you fight the hell hounds and pass the fireballs shooting straight at you > you go down a stairs, turn right and theres a big button on the wall with a pit > in front of you. I tried throwing stuff in that area but I only managed to > open a passage of stairs going down on my left. > I don't have a clue what the "pain" gold door is. As to the other button, that one turns off a spinner field above that plate you threw stuff on, to open the stairs down - that's what was *supposed* to happen - you "only managed" to do exactly what you need to do to get any further! If, by chance, you are referring to the DAIN door (the one that needs the Ruby key) on the DDD level, then there is a button near the gate there which I believ turns off a fireball shooter just beyond the gate. -------(please include "DY" in subj header of mail to this user)-------- Doug "Speaker-To-Insects" Yanega "UT!" Bitnet: KUENTO@UKANVAX My card: 0 The Fool (Snow Museum, Univ. of KS, Lawrence, KS 66045) "I'll employ my resources to make your puny lives miserable! I'll crush your pitiful dreams and ambitions like bugs in the dust!" - Calvin
Stewart.Mckinnon@p0.f178.n221.z1.fidonet.org (Stewart Mckinnon) (02/25/91)
RE: QUESTIONS ON BUTTONS...........Well, you'll HAVE to be more specific! WHAT 'pain gold door'? What level? The only button that I know of that you are referring to is the button in the chink in the wall to the NE of the level, with stairs going up (to the Hell Hounds) and down to the NETA CORBUM door. This button will switch the forcefield that lies to the SOUTH on and off. Could you please describe the other ones like "large button in front of a pit" in more detail? I'm always glad to help! -- Stewart Mckinnon - via FidoNet node 1:221/171 UUCP : watmath!xenitec!zswamp!178.0!Stewart.Mckinnon Internet: Stewart.Mckinnon@p0.f178.n221.z1.fidonet.org
dhawk@well.sf.ca.us (David Hawkins) (03/12/91)
Well, I've played CSB all the way through three times so far.
Once with a strong team from Dungeon Master, once with the weakest
team (adding up health/mana/stamina) from the Prison, and once with
the weakest team (on mana alone) from the Prison. Now I'm trying it
with just Tula (the weakest single character in the Prison.) She
hasn't hit any real barriers yet. But I've changed my stategy some.
Normally the first thing I do with a team is kill the dragon on the
lowest level (for the solid key), but I don't think Tula is ready for
that yet. So we've done the first section of priest/neta up to the
Diabolical Demon Director, and a good chunk of the Ninja path and
fighter up through antmen and the 'chirpers.' One thing about using
weak teams -- you don't have to kill every monster you meet. There
are a lot of them that you don't have to encounter again once you're
past them.
later, david
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-- Robin Williamsweic@mullauna.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Wei Kiat CHONG) (04/16/91)
Hi everybody. I've just started playing Chaos and have made some progress. The only thing is that I can't find a flask to create a "vi" potion! Most of my guys are doing fine except they've got bandages all over their bodies! I probably didn't look hard enough but I would appreciate it if anyone out there reading this and have played CSB, to tell me where to look for one. I'm desperate!!! Thanks in advance. John (weic@mullauna.cs.mu.oz.au) Please e-mail if possible. [1m The Guru[0m
samuel@cs.cornell.edu (Samuel M. Weber) (05/22/91)
I have an easy question: (* very mild spoilers *)
I've come across an unusual situation, and just want to know if this
is what's supposed to happen, or if it is a bug.
Having already done the fighter and the priest paths, I got the
ninja corbum, and went up to the level above. Up there, I found a small
room, with 2 doors. Thing is, both these doors are *half* open: as if
they started to open, and then stopped mid-way. There seems to be
nothing special about this room. Also, there are *no* monsters about.
After the corresponding part on the warrior path, I was expecting
*something*, but no.
Is the program confused, somehow, or it this normal?
Thanks a lot!!
P.S. Does anyone know if Dungeon Master 3 is going to be called
"Law Strikes Back"? :-)
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