sphaak@vela.acs.oakland.edu (sphaak) (05/28/91)
Last week I finished a game of Operation Firefight at the Major level. I am now working on the Lt. Col. level, busy trying to use the F-16 like it was a Ju-87 "StuKa!" (for launching mavericks at enemy tanks in the face of 100,000 SA-7s!) My question is: how do you defeat the MiG-21 in a dogfight? I think the computer consistently pulls 9 g in that thing! How can I defeat that!? Are ACMs even worth the trouble to get good at in the game? Help! -Ross Starkey
jpc@fct.unl.pt (Jose Pina Coelho) (05/28/91)
In article <6608@vela.acs.oakland.edu> sphaak@vela.acs.oakland.edu (sphaak) writes: > My question is: how do you defeat the MiG-21 in a dogfight? > [with an F16] I think it's a very close call, generaly, once it gets near, you have to play with airbreaks and flaps to make tighter turns and afterburner to jump to a clear place On and F15 (or is it the F16) the power/weight ratio is supperior to 1, so you can run up (90 degrees), cut power, dive, and get either missile lock or some lead. Be carefull about wing load (if it exists). And now for some ascii art: On more conventional dogfight: A) Both tight-turning. \ M- / | /F\ A.1) Try to gain some height quickly. Then cut power, add airbreaks, add full flaps. This should turn you quite quickly. Problems: - By the time you finish the turn - you are about to stall. - you are also a sitting duck. Open afterburner and try to get him with the machine gun (tricky). A.2) Try to run up in a 45deg spiral (so you are not a BIG EXHAUST) When you face him again dive, get missile lock and fire (must be a radar missile) A.3) A loop might put you behind him (Or give a clear angle for an IR seeker). But it must be a power ascent and a glided descent (Or you'll end right in front of him). B) Try to run him into the ground If the ground has mountains, try to fly a little over the top, and then downhill (as many automated fighters just see you, you may lure him through the mountain) -- Jose Pedro T. Pina Coelho | BITNET/Internet: jpc@fct.unl.pt Rua Jau N 1, 2 Dto | UUCP: ...!mcsun!unl!jpc 1300 Lisboa, PORTUGAL | Home phone: (+351) (1) 640767 - If all men were brothers, would you let one marry your sister ?
Mark.Stuart@actrix.gen.nz (Mark Stuart) (05/31/91)
In article <JPC.91May28133734@terra.fct.unl.pt> jpc@fct.unl.pt (Jose Pina Coelho) writes: > > In article <6608@vela.acs.oakland.edu> sphaak@vela.acs.oakland.edu > (sphaak) writes: > > > My question is: how do you defeat the MiG-21 in a dogfight? > > [with an F16] > > I think it's a very close call, generaly, once it gets near, you have > to play with airbreaks and flaps to make tighter turns and afterburner > to jump to a clear place > > On and F15 (or is it the F16) the power/weight ratio is supperior to > 1, so you can run up (90 degrees), cut power, dive, and get either > missile lock or some lead. Be carefull about wing load (if it > exists). > > With Dogfighting 90% of your chance of survival relies on whether you suprise the Mig or you get a better tactical position in the first few seconds of the dogfight. Keep your radar off at all times, it is pretty useless anyway, try to stay low, especially when your sneaking up on a mig. When dogfighting always use the Heads Up View, then you won't overshoot when he break, conserve your ammo until you can see the whites of his eyes. Don't be afraid to use your afterburner to close a turn, if you lose your energy he'll break and make 'slashing' attacks. I stick to these rules, and have defeated 9 Migs, Colonel Level, with Ace Migs turned on, and landed! (oh, and up to 3 migs in a scrap, and that was one mission). Remember when you chase a Mig let him lead a little and don't pull your nose ahead until your going to make that shot.
brad@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Brad Grier) (06/02/91)
I've found that launching the new AIM 120 at ranges 18mi-22mi effective, when you are closing in a head to head confrontation. otherwise, get in close and turn and burn with your m61 cannon. good luck Brad Grier brad@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca Edmonton Remote Systems: Serving Northern Alberta since 1982