rex@nbc1.ge.com (Rex Espiritu) (09/06/90)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 90 15:05:40 EDT
From: rex@nbc1 (Rex Espiritu)
To: postmaster@utoday
Subject: Crossings: From Mac to Unix, p. 18, Sept. 3, 1990, by Philip J. Gill
Cc: sean@utoday
In the article specified by the subject heading above, it states:
"DOS-based PCs aren't the only kind of desktop computers... some users
need to interface their Apple Macintosh personal computers to Unix
systems as well. For these users, there are considerably fewer
options, however. My [Philip J. Gill's] research has turned up only
two choices... MacLine, from Touchstone Software... [and]
...MacBlast, from Communications Research Group of Baton Rouge, LA..."
While there may be "fewer" options, there are certainly more than two
choices. And though I'm not very familiar with the two mentioned
above, I don't think I'd select them as my choice(s).
I'm writing this article via NCSA Telnet/FTP v2.3 from my office Mac
w/ EtherCard over the ethernet to our Sun. We have connectivity via
TCP/IP to our other Unix machines as well, including Ultrix, Xenix,
et. al. We have Kinetics FastPath-4 boxes and a Cayman GatorBox
bridging Apple/Local/EtherTalk with TCP/IP over the Ethernet with NFS
and CAP (Columbia AppleTalk Package) giving us centralized shared file
services and print spooling capabilities. We're also aware of Mt
Xinu's K-AShare and K-Spool products. There's also MacX, MacTCP,
MacWorkstation, etc. from Apple/APDA.
For e-mail we have QuickMail v2.2 and I believe there is a gateway to
Unix sendmail (SMTP) that we're looking into as well.
For serial communications, we have several terminal emulators:
MacTerminal, White Knight, White Pine Software, Reflections (Walker
Richer & Quinn), Kermit, etc.
There is a broader view of Mac-to-Unix connectivity and certainly more
such products available than your article seems to suggest.
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Voice: 212 664-5390 FAX: 212 664-3859 New York, NY 10112lantz@Apple.COM (Bob Lantz) (09/07/90)
rex@nbc1.ge.com (Rex Espiritu) writes: >In the article [in UNIX Today] specified by the subject heading above, >it states: >>"DOS-based PCs aren't the only kind of desktop computers... some users >>need to interface their Apple Macintosh personal computers to Unix >>systems as well. For these users, there are considerably fewer >>options... only two choices... MacLine, from Touchstone Software... [and] >>...MacBlast, from Communications Research Group of Baton Rouge, LA..." >While there may be "fewer" options, there are certainly more than two >choices. And though I'm not very familiar with the two mentioned >above, I don't think I'd select them as my choice(s). >[nice long list of Mac-Unix connectivity options] This is exactly right - there are many Mac-Unix connectivity options; and don't forget A/UX 2.0, which provides both Mac and Unix on the same desktop, among many other interesting features. >M. Rex Espiritu, Jr. NBC News Bob Lantz A/UX Team
MELTSNE@gecrdvm1.crd.ge.com (09/07/90)
In fact, I'd argue that the Mac deals with UNIX much better than the DOS
machines; MacTCP does it all for me. I've got POP (mail service), Telnet 3270,
regular Telnet, etc. I could easily add news feeds, X service, etc. And with
the Mac's larger memory space, I can do this without any weird hacks.
But most importantly, all of these programs can run simultaneously under
Multifinder, while the PC folks still have to contend with forcing Windows to
handle TCP/IP programs. The PCs are pretty good at hooking up to UNIX, but
Macs are much better.
Mac to UNIX? Just get me an Ethernet card and MacTCP, and I'm ready to go.
What else could they possibly want?
Kentime@crane.aa.ox.com (Tim Endres) (09/07/90)
In regards to the Unix<-->Mac connectivity, ICE Engineering is about to relaese uMail, a Macintosh UUCP/Mail/News product running on the CTB, allowing it to operate over AppleTalk, MACTCP, MacISDN, and MacX.25, as well as via the usual modem connections. This product is the only one of its kind for the Macintosh, and certainly provides a new level of connectivity for the Macintosh.
kdb@macaw.intercon.com (Kurt Baumann) (09/07/90)
In article <TIME.90Sep6153629@crane.aa.ox.com>, time@crane.aa.ox.com (Tim Endres) writes: > > In regards to the Unix<-->Mac connectivity, ICE Engineering is about > to relaese uMail, a Macintosh UUCP/Mail/News product running on the > CTB, allowing it to operate over AppleTalk, MACTCP, MacISDN, and > MacX.25, as well as via the usual modem connections. This product is > the only one of its kind for the Macintosh, and certainly provides a > new level of connectivity for the Macintosh. Hurumph. Well let's not forget about TCP/Connect and TCP/Connect II which have been on the market for over two years. TCP/Connect II contains NNTP, SMTP/POP, SLIP (for your serial connections), as well as other TCP/IP connectivity applications. Anyway, yes I would have to agree that the Mac is better connected than the PC, but then I have a bias. -- Kurt Baumann 703.709.9890 703.709.9896 FAX
mosemann@hoss.unl.edu (Russell Mosemann) (09/07/90)
In <TIME.90Sep6153629@crane.aa.ox.com> time@crane.aa.ox.com (Tim Endres) writes: >In regards to the Unix<-->Mac connectivity, ICE Engineering is about >to relaese uMail, a Macintosh UUCP/Mail/News product running on the >CTB, allowing it to operate over AppleTalk, MACTCP, MacISDN, and >MacX.25, as well as via the usual modem connections. This product is >the only one of its kind for the Macintosh, and certainly provides a >new level of connectivity for the Macintosh. Probably true, but it's certainly not the only option or even one of just a few. Russell mosemann@hoss.unl.edu
) (09/07/90)
In article <1990Sep5.191401.26609@nbc1.ge.com>, rex@nbc1.ge.com (Rex Espiritu) writes: > "DOS-based PCs aren't the only kind of desktop computers... some users > need to interface their Apple Macintosh personal computers to Unix > systems as well. For these users, there are considerably fewer > options, however. My [Philip J. Gill's] research has turned up only > two choices... MacLine, from Touchstone Software... [and] > ...MacBlast, from Communications Research Group of Baton Rouge, LA..." > > While there may be "fewer" options, there are certainly more than two > choices. And though I'm not very familiar with the two mentioned > above, I don't think I'd select them as my choice(s). Great managing editor at this mag--considering there is a feature on page 42 of the same issue that completely refutes Gill's assertion. Rand P. Hall UUCP: {uunet,wang,ulowell}!samsung!hubdub!rand Merrimack College rand@merrimack.edu N. Andover, MA "Carrying a spare is negative thinking" -- Norris Weldon
peirce@claris.com (Michael Peirce) (09/08/90)
In article <TIME.90Sep6153629@crane.aa.ox.com> time@ice.com writes: > >In regards to the Unix<-->Mac connectivity, ICE Engineering is about >to relaese uMail, a Macintosh UUCP/Mail/News product running on the >CTB, allowing it to operate over AppleTalk, MACTCP, MacISDN, and >MacX.25, as well as via the usual modem connections. This product is >the only one of its kind for the Macintosh, and certainly provides a >new level of connectivity for the Macintosh. Since Tim has let the cat out of the bag, let me jump in here and say that uMail really does bring the Mac up a giant step in the Mac connectivity game. I've been beta testing it and it has performed very well. It truly turns the mac into a full UUCP/Usenet end node. Not only does it have a real Mac UI, but it works quite happily in the background under MultiFinder doing it's modem things with very little impact to foreground work (And people still claim that the Mac doesn't "really" multitask...) Great work Tim! Claris Corp. | Michael R. Peirce -------------+-------------------------------------- | 5201 Patrick Henry Drive MS-C4 | Box 58168 | Santa Clara, CA 95051-8168 | (408) 987-7319 | AppleLink: peirce1 | Internet: peirce@claris.com | uucp: {ames,decwrl,apple,sun}!claris!peirce And also available at ...claris!outpost!peirce running uMail at home!
mel@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU (Melchior A. Meilchen) (09/10/90)
In article <11237@claris.com> peirce@claris.com (Michael Peirce) writes: >In article <TIME.90Sep6153629@crane.aa.ox.com> time@ice.com writes: >> >>In regards to the Unix<-->Mac connectivity, ICE Engineering is about >>to relaese uMail, a Macintosh UUCP/Mail/News product running on the >>CTB, allowing it to operate over AppleTalk, MACTCP, MacISDN, and >>MacX.25, as well as via the usual modem connections. This product is ..... >>new level of connectivity for the Macintosh. When can we expect it to ship and how much will it cost? Will it be widely available? IMWTK...
stui@caladan.wa.com (Stuart Burden) (09/12/90)
In article <11237@claris.com>, peirce@claris.com (Michael Peirce) writes: | In article <TIME.90Sep6153629@crane.aa.ox.com> time@ice.com writes: | Since Tim has let the cat out of the bag, let me jump in here and say that | uMail really does bring the Mac up a giant step in the Mac connectivity game. | Great work Tim! I'd heartily second the above comments. Until I started using uMail, I had been running my site, caladan, on MacUUPC, and for my 7 bit host connection a PC uucico engine running under SoftPC!.. what a mess! Since running uMail, I've joined the "real" world of USENET, and am even propogating news to serveral co-workers over Appletalk, all automatically with uMail. Reading news was not meant to be this much fun :-) :-) :-) .. actually it was.. we just never knew it! :-) If anyone has used MacUUPC and wants a better way.. You'll flip over uMail! I'm sure Tim will announce availability and price when it's ready.. Stu. -- stui@caladan.uucp stui@caladan.wa.com
KPURCELL@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK (09/12/90)
How does uMail comaper to gnuucp which has now been ported to the Mac? Anybody seen them both running? Any idea how much uMail will cost (gnuucp of course is FREE!). Kevin Purcell | kpurcell@liverpool.ac.uk Surface Science Centre | Liverpool University | Omit needless words.
gsnow@pro-freedom.cts.com (Gary Snow) (09/13/90)
In-Reply-To: message from mel@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU >In Article <11237@claris.com> peirce@claris.com (Michael Peirce) writes: >>In article <TIME.90Sep6153629@crane.aa.ox.com> time@ice.com writes: >>> >>>In regards to the Unix<-->Mac connectivity, ICE Engineering is about >>>to relaese uMail, a Macintosh UUCP/Mail/News product running on the >>>CTB, allowing it to operate over AppleTalk, MACTCP, MacISDN, and >>>MacX.25, as well as via the usual modem connections. This product is ..... >>>new level of connectivity for the Macintosh. >When can we expect it to ship and how much will it cost? Will it >be widely available? My questions EXACTLY!! Gary --- UUCP: ogicse!clark!pro-freedom!gsnow | Pro-Freedom: 206/253-9389 ProLine: gsnow@pro-freedom | Vancouver, Wa ARPANet: crash!pro-freedom!gsnow@nosc.mil | Apple*Van InterNet: gsnow@pro-freedom.cts.com | Vancouver Apple Users Group