sci213v@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (mr p freeman) (09/04/90)
I would like to know whether a product called MacIP is public domain and if so where I could ftp it from. Thanks in advance Paul Freeman Email: sci213v@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au
honda@csl.sony.co.jp (Yasuaki Honda) (09/06/90)
>I would like to know whether a product called MacIP is public domain >and if so where I could ftp it from. No. It's a comercial product of Apple Computer Inc. You can buy it from APDA. Price is $100 for single site license. -- ************************************** Yasuaki Honda honda@csl.sony.co.jp SONY Computer Science Laboratory Inc. **************************************
nf0i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Norman William Franke, III) (09/06/90)
> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.mac.comm: 3-Sep-90 MacIP mr p > freeman@monu6.cc.mo (178) > I would like to know whether a product called MacIP is public domain and > if so where I could ftp it from. No it isn't. It is available from Stanford University. However, it's really showing it's age, in my opinion. It needs LOTS of work, especially in it's FTP. I think NCSA Telnet is more in the free category. ............................................................ : : : Norman Franke, III nf0i+@andrew.cmu.edu : : Special Projects Carnegie Mellon University : :..........................................................: "Why can't I get more quota?"
meldal@bach.Stanford.EDU (Sigurd Meldal) (09/07/90)
In article <HONDA.90Sep6192253@scorpio.csl.sony.co.jp> honda@csl.sony.co.jp (Yasuaki Honda) writes: > >>I would like to know whether a product called MacIP is public domain >>and if so where I could ftp it from. > >No. It's a comercial product of Apple Computer Inc. You can buy it >from APDA. Price is $100 for single site license. Are you sure you are not thinking of the Apple product called MacTCP? MacIP is a product developed by Stanford University, and it offers telnet, client ftp, finger and whois functionality. It is a neat product, and is available to educational institutions for US$100. I do not know who administers the sales, but you may want to ask maas@jessica.stanford.edu, who did the development work. Stanford has another package that I personally prefer - MacSamson. It does everything MacIP does, and also has scripting and serial line communication capability. I do not know what the deal is for outside distribution, you may want to query Aaron Reizes, gg.dar@forsythe.stanford.edu, the developer. MacSamson is strongly recommended. Sigurd -- Hard mail: ERL 456 | Internet: meldal@anna.stanford.edu Computer Systems Lab.| Stanford University | BitNet: meldal%anna.stanford.edu@forsythe.bitnet Stanford CA 94305 | Uucp: ...decwrl!glacier!shasta!anna!meldal USA | phone: +1 415 723 6027 fax: +1 415 725 7398
kdb@macaw.intercon.com (Kurt Baumann) (09/07/90)
In article <HONDA.90Sep6192253@scorpio.csl.sony.co.jp>, honda@csl.sony.co.jp (Yasuaki Honda) writes: > > >I would like to know whether a product called MacIP is public domain > >and if so where I could ftp it from. > > No. It's a comercial product of Apple Computer Inc. You can buy it > from APDA. Price is $100 for single site license. > Wrong. Sorry, but you are thinking of MacTCP. I know, isn't it great that everybody seems to want to tack Mac onto the front of their product name? MacIP refers to either CMU - MacIP or Stanfords - MacIP. These are FTPable from their respective sites (sorry I don't know what they are). -- Kurt Baumann 703.709.9890 703.709.9896 FAX
veizades@apple.com (John Veizades) (09/07/90)
MacIP has two meanings in the Macintosh TCP/IP community. First it is the name of a protocol used to encalsulate AppleTalk services in IP datagrams and second it is short hand for a software package availble from Stanford University that provides user interfaces to POP3 mail, Telnet, finger, whois and FTP. This software package is availabel only to degree granting institutions. Commercial packages that provide the same and in some cases more functionality are available from a variety of sources. > No. It's a comercial product of Apple Computer Inc. You can buy it > from APDA. Price is $100 for single site license. The software available from APDA is: - MacTCP developer kit (singlel user license) - $100 - Hypercard MacTCP tool kit - $20 John Veizades...
csr@ubvax.UB.Com (Chris Ranch) (09/07/90)
In article <HONDA.90Sep6192253@scorpio.csl.sony.co.jp> honda@csl.sony.co.jp (Yasuaki Honda) writes: >>I would like to know whether a product called MacIP is public domain >>and if so where I could ftp it from. > >No. It's a comercial product of Apple Computer Inc. You can buy it >from APDA. Price is $100 for single site license. Not quite. The commercial product from Apple is MacTCP, which is needed by MacIP. MacIP is a Telnet/FTP application that uses MacTCP, done by Andy Maas at Stanford University. I believe it is NOT public domain, but licensable from Stanford for a nominal price. The sources are also available for an additional price (at least to us .com people). Any of you guys at Stanford awake? Regards, -- Chris Ranch Ungermann-Bass, Inc. (408)562-7957 csr@ubvax.ub.com
honda@csl.sony.co.jp (Yasuaki Honda) (09/07/90)
I'm sorry for my mistake. I didn't know the existence of MacIP and MacSamson of Stanford Univ. Thank you for your correction, Sigurd Meldal of Stanford and Kurt Baumann of Intercon. In summary, there are three or four known TCP/IP software for Macintosh: 1) MacTCP from Apple Computer Inc. Call APDA, 2) MacIP from Stanford Univ. Contact maas@jessica.stanford.edu, who did the development work, 3) MacSamson from Stanford Univ. Contact gg.dar@forsythe.stanford.edu, the developer, 4) MacIP from CMU Don't know how to obtain it. -- ************************************** Yasuaki Honda honda@csl.sony.co.jp SONY Computer Science Laboratory Inc. **************************************
kdb@macaw.intercon.com (Kurt Baumann) (09/08/90)
In article <HONDA.90Sep7100617@scorpio.csl.sony.co.jp>, honda@csl.sony.co.jp (Yasuaki Honda) writes: > In summary, there are three or four known TCP/IP software for Macintosh: > > 1) MacTCP from Apple Computer Inc. > Call APDA, > 2) MacIP from Stanford Univ. > Contact maas@jessica.stanford.edu, who did the development work, > 3) MacSamson from Stanford Univ. > Contact gg.dar@forsythe.stanford.edu, the developer, > 4) MacIP from CMU > Don't know how to obtain it. Umm, sorry to do this yet again. But these are not the three or four TCP/IP packages. There are several: NCSA Telnet - Telnet (vt102,tek4014), FTP (and it's own TCP/IP kernel as well as ability to use MacTCP) Obtainable from NCSA at the U of Ill. Novell HostAccess - Telnet (vt100), FTP Uses TCPort TCP/IP kernel. UB MacUWS - Telnet (vt100,?), FTP Uses MacTCP TCP/IP kernel. Wollongong MacPathWayAccess - Telnet (vt240,tn3270,tek4014), FTP, finger Builtin TCP/IP kernel and MacTCP. InterCon TCP/Connect II - Telnet (vt240,tn3270,tek4014), FTP, SNMP, SLIP, NNTP, SMTP/POP, finger, etc... Builtin TCP/IP kernel and MacTCP. There are a pleathora of HyperCard stacks that do various TCP/IP functions. As well as several other applications written at Universities that handle network mail on the Mac, also a couple of commercial packages for gatewaying QuickMail and MicroSoft Mail to SMTP, X.400 etc... Hope this helps. I am still trying to compile a COMPLETE list of TCP/IP software for the Macintosh. Send me mail with any that you know of and where and how to get them. -- Kurt Baumann InterCon Systems Corporation 703.709.9890 Creators of fine TCP/IP products 703.709.9896 FAX for the Macintosh.
rex@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Rex Sanders) (09/27/90)
In article <Qatbiqy00VokI90kcX@andrew.cmu.edu> nf0i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Norman William Franke, III) writes: >[referring to Stanford's MacIP] >However, it's >really showing it's age, in my opinion. It needs LOTS of work, >especially in it's FTP. I think NCSA Telnet is more in the free category. I have a different opinion after comparing the latest versions of NCSA Telnet and SU-MacIP - MacIP is *much* better for the users in my department - mostly because MacIP is *easier* to use. -- Rex Sanders, US Geological Survey rex@pmgvax.wr.usgs.gov
nf0i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Norman William Franke, III) (09/27/90)
On 26-Sep-90 in Re: MacIP user Rex Sanders@pangea.Stanf writes: >I have a different opinion after comparing the latest versions of NCSA Telnet >and SU-MacIP - MacIP is *much* better for the users in my department - mostly >because MacIP is *easier* to use. Yes, it is easier to use. I didn't mean to imply NCSA Telnet was better, just that it's lest costly in many cases. But, I still think it needs work, though I use it anyways... ............................................................ : : : Norman Franke, III nf0i+@andrew.cmu.edu : : Special Projects Carnegie Mellon University : : Macintosh Users Group, VP Pittsburgh, PA : :..........................................................: "Why can't I get more quota?"
dyer@spdcc.COM (Steve Dyer) (09/27/90)
In article <Ub0I0Z_00WBK42mR0m@andrew.cmu.edu> nf0i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Norman William Franke, III) writes: >Yes, it is easier to use. I didn't mean to imply NCSA Telnet was better, >just that it's lest costly in many cases. But, I still think it [MacIP] needs >work, though I use it anyways... Gee, I'm wondering what the matter is with it. I think the point-'n-click FTP client is just great, especially when using it to retrieve stuff from sumex-aim. It un-binhexes stuff automatically too! The Telnet client seems to work OK. Maybe I'm just not picky... -- Steve Dyer dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer dyer@arktouros.mit.edu, dyer@hstbme.mit.edu
nf0i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Norman William Franke, III) (09/27/90)
On 27-Sep-90 in Re: MacIP user Steve Dyer@spdcc.COM writes: >Gee, I'm wondering what the matter is with it. I think the point-'n-click >FTP client is just great, especially when using it to retrieve stuff from >sumex-aim. It un-binhexes stuff automatically too! The Telnet client >seems to work OK. Maybe I'm just not picky... In MacIP 4.0.1, when you FTP something which isn't in text format, it puts up that "Converting File" dialog, and locks up the system. The old one converted it in the background while FTPing. I hate it this way. Also, I've noticed that sometimes double clicking on a directory, doesn't always go into it (usually does.) I also hate that it does that long list, which takes a long time, when I usually don't want it. Then the telnet window sometimes gets messed up, characters seem lots off the left edge, and windows don't update properly if they aren't front most while scrolling. And it keeps asking if I want to save the preferences WAY too often. And it will ask to save the preferences when I didn't make any changes. Those "Save Preference for..." dialogs really get annoying... And I wish it did colors too. That's all I can think of off hand... ............................................................ : : : Norman Franke, III nf0i+@andrew.cmu.edu : : Special Projects Carnegie Mellon University : : Macintosh Users Group, VP Pittsburgh, PA : :..........................................................: "Why can't I get more quota?"
robin@csuchico.edu (Robin Goldstone) (09/27/90)
In article <4203@spdcc.SPDCC.COM> dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes: >In article <Ub0I0Z_00WBK42mR0m@andrew.cmu.edu> nf0i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Norman William Franke, III) writes: >>Yes, it is easier to use. I didn't mean to imply NCSA Telnet was better, >>just that it's lest costly in many cases. But, I still think it [MacIP] needs >>work, though I use it anyways... > >Gee, I'm wondering what the matter is with it. I think the point-'n-click >FTP client is just great, especially when using it to retrieve stuff from >sumex-aim. It un-binhexes stuff automatically too! The Telnet client >seems to work OK. Maybe I'm just not picky... > > For me, the main benefit of NCSA Telnet over MacIP is the "Print Selection" option. I frequently need to do a "print screen" during a terminal session. So do most of my users. I can't do this in MacIP. (At least not in the version I have - maybe a newer version does this ?) I agree that MacIP's FTP interface is great, though. Robin Goldstone, Systems Software Specialist California State University, Chico Computing Services robin@csuchico.edu
jds@uncecs.edu (Jane D. Smith) (09/28/90)
Below is a copy of my correspondence with Stanford regarding a bug in Mac-IP. Thought you might be interested: --Jane From maas@jessica.stanford.edu Fri Jun 29 17:02:11 1990 Received: by ecsvax.uncecs.edu (5.57/UNCECS/9-06-89) id AA06623; Fri, 29 Jun 90 17:02:11 EDT Received: from jessica.stanford.edu by ecsgate.uncecs.edu (5.59/UNCECS/8-30-88) id AA16035; Fri, 29 Jun 90 16:59:29 EDT Received: from LOCALHOST by jessica.stanford.edu (5.59/25-eef) id AA27418; Fri, 29 Jun 90 13:59:06 PDT Message-Id: <9006292059.AA27418@jessica.stanford.edu> To: Jane Smith <jds@uncecs.edu> Subject: Re: anonymous complaint Date: Fri, 29 Jun 90 13:59:05 -0700 From: maas@jessica.stanford.edu Status: OR >Rather, a complaint about anonymous in MacIP v 4.0 (MacTCP) 2/14/90 > >Most of the time, the automatic logon to ftp servers accepting >'anonymous' as a userid works fine - unless the server insists that >'guest' be entered at a Password: prompt. > >Today I encountered and solved this problem. The ftp server >'nis.nsf.net' requires 'guest' be entered at the Password: prompt. >However, whenever I entered 'anonymous' at the Name: prompt, MacIP took >over and tried to login for me, never giving me the opportunity to *see* >the Password: prompt. I diddled with various telnet parameters in the >preferences dialogs to no avail. > >I noticed, however, that this server was only parsing the first 8 >characters of 'anonymous', so I entered 'anonymou' at the Name: prompt >and apparently therefore bypassed MacIP's auto login 'feature.' > >The day I run into a server that insists on all 9 characters of >'anonymous' for login, I will be in trouble, unable to override MacIP's >insistence on assistance. > >Then again, there may be an override mechanism I could set in MacIP, but >I can't find it in the documentation. Help? > >Otherwise, MacIP is great! Thank you . . . > >Jane Smith >Information Services >University of North Carolina Educational Computing Service >Research Triangle Park, NC 27709 > Yes, this is the second report on such problem with MacIP4.0. Right now there is no way to override the machanism. We haven't set any date for maintanence release. But when we do, this will be fixed. Andy ---------- Jane Smith, UNC Educational Computing Service, RTP, NC BITNET: jds@ecsvax Internet: jds@uncecs.edu ------------------------
mxmora@unix.SRI.COM (Matt Mora) (09/29/90)
In article <1990Sep27.151126.1081@ecst.csuchico.edu> robin@cscihp.UUCP (Robin Goldstone) writes: >MacIP's FTP interface is great, though. Where can I get Mac IP? > >Robin Goldstone, Systems Software Specialist -- ___________________________________________________________ Matthew Mora | my Mac Matt_Mora@sri.com SRI International | my unix mxmora@unix.sri.com ___________________________________________________________