a0061@iti.org (Claus Kalle) (09/03/90)
Hi, Just today I got a little brochure into my hands named "Introduction to the Apple-Digital Network Environment" EC-G0751-69 and M6074LL/B on its back and in it a reference to a product named "MacX, Apple's implementation of X11, consists ...". I remember some discussion on that topic some months ago, but never heard of it again. Is it finished up now ? Buyable, free or what ? -- Claus Kalle, University of Cologne i i Regional Computing Center M M The System Software and Networking Dept. M M Cologne E-Mail: a0061@rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE /I\ /I\ Cathedral
jason@cs.utexas.edu (Jason Martin Levitt) (09/03/90)
In article <1990Sep2.212341.16059@rrz.uni-koeln.de> a0061@iti.org (Claus Kalle) writes: > [lotsa stuff deleted] >Is it finished up now ? Buyable, free or what ? > [lotsa stuff deleted] Yes. It's available from Apple. It costs $295. It is order number M0108LL/A. It includes everything you need to run MacX under MacOS, and, I believe, A/UX multifinder as well. Basically, you get an XR3 server in the form of a Mac application, all the standard BDF X fonts, MacTCP, and the Communications Toolbox with the TCPtool. MacX converts the BDF fonts and any MacOS fonts into a form usable by X clients. It also supports 8-bit color. Also consider eXodus, an X R4 server by White Pines Software, (603)886-9050. It has most of the MacX features plus some of its own, and it includes the software to run on DECNET as well as MacTCP. ---Jason jason@cs.utexas.edu
briel@sctc.com (Marc Briel ) (09/07/90)
Can anyone comment on the comparative performance/usability of MacX on Ethernet vs. Appletalk. ? Out Appletalk connects to our ethernet via a Kinetics Fastpath (i think). Is the appletalk hookup really usable or would I be better off investing in an Ethernet card for my Mac II? Marc Briel briel@sctc.com
lindahl@evax.arl.utexas.edu (Charlie Lindahl) (09/11/90)
Mac X is available from APDA for $295 a pop. I bought the $100 "evaluation" version, which is kinda a pain to set up but works very well (even on a 19" Radius monitor). DEC offers a combination of MACX, a DEC terminal emulator, PC mail, and AppleShare file server on the VAX for $440 (for the VAX/VMS side, on a TK50 tape) and $295 per Mac license. The VAX (under VMS) will then do print and AppleShare file serving using AppleTalk (will run on ETHERNET). Ordering information: Call DEC at 1-800-343-4040. DEC LanWorks: QA-YPCAA-H5, on TK50 tape. $495. Mac License for MACX, terminal emulator: QL-YPH9W-AA: $295. A friend of mine has ordered the above for his VAX and Macintoshen. I haven't seen it run personally, myself (minor disclaimer). Charlie S. Lindahl Automation and Robotics Research Institute University of Texas at Arlington Internet EMAIL: lindahl@evax.arl.utexas.edu Standard disclaimer: Ain't no opinion but my own. -- Charlie S. Lindahl Automation and Robotics Research Institute University of Texas at Arlington Internet EMAIL: lindahl@evax.arl.utexas.edu
han@Apple.COM (Byron Han, scapegoat) (09/11/90)
In article <1990Sep10.232214.23267@evax.arl.utexas.edu> lindahl@evax.arl.utexas.edu (Charlie Lindahl) writes: >DEC offers a combination of MACX, a DEC terminal emulator...<deleted> The "DEC terminal emulator" is MacTerminal 3.0, bundled with the TTY, VT102 and VT320 terminal tools, Text and XMODEM file transfer tools, and the ADSP, Serial and Apple Modem connection tools. Just FYI... Byron
an12280@mdaali.cancer.utexas.edu (David Gutierrez) (09/12/90)
In article <10144@goofy.Apple.COM> han@Apple.COM (Byron Han, scapegoat) writes: > The "DEC terminal emulator" is MacTerminal 3.0, bundled with the TTY, VT102 > and VT320 terminal tools, Text and XMODEM file transfer tools, and the ADSP, > Serial and Apple Modem connection tools. What about the LAT connection tool? We've been waiting for that for a while so we could get rid of our serial lines attached to DEC terminal servers. David Gutierrez an12280@mdaali.cancer.utexas.edu "Only fools are positive." - Moe Howard
rickf@Apple.COM (Rick Fleischman) (09/12/90)
In article <1990Sep10.232214.23267@evax.arl.utexas.edu> lindahl@evax.arl.utexas.edu (Charlie Lindahl) writes: >Mac X is available from APDA for $295 a pop. I bought the $100 "evaluation" >version, which is kinda a pain to set up but works very well (even on >a 19" Radius monitor). MacX is NOT available through APDA. It is available from Apple Authorized N&C Dealers. Rick Fleischman Developer Programs/APDA Apple Computer, Inc. e-mail: rickf@apple.com AppleLink: FLEISCHMAN@applelink.apple.com
rickf@Apple.COM (Rick Fleischman) (09/13/90)
In article <4099@lib.tmc.edu> an12280@mdaali.cancer.utexas.edu (David Gutierrez) writes: >What about the LAT connection tool? We've been waiting for that for a >while so we could get rid of our serial lines attached to DEC terminal >servers. > >David Gutierrez >an12280@mdaali.cancer.utexas.edu The LAT (Local Access Transport) Connection Tool for the Macintosh Communications Toolbox is currently shipping from APDA. Part #: M0800LL/A, Price: $50.00 APDA can be reached at: (800) 282-2732 (in the U.S.) (800) 637-0029 (in Canada) (408) 562-3910 (elsewhere) or via e-mail at: APDA@applelink.apple.com Rick Fleischman Developer Programs/APDA Apple Computer, Inc. e-mail: rickf@apple.com AppleLink: FLEISCHMAN@applelink.apple.com
lindahl@evax.arl.utexas.edu (Charlie Lindahl) (09/13/90)
In a previous article, I posted that Mac X was available thru APDA. >MacX is NOT available through APDA. It is available from Apple Authorized >N&C Dealers. >Rick Fleischman >Developer Programs/APDA >Apple Computer, Inc. >e-mail: rickf@apple.com Whoops! Thanx, Rick, for clarifying that. My mistake ... Now ANOTHER question about my previous posting, which we can't seem to get a quick answer to: Does the DEC LANWORKS package include MACTCP as well as MACX? Can anyone give me specific firsthand knowledge? Thanx, -- Charlie S. Lindahl Automation and Robotics Research Institute University of Texas at Arlington Internet EMAIL: lindahl@evax.arl.utexas.edu
an12280@mdaali.cancer.utexas.edu (David Gutierrez) (09/13/90)
In article <10200@goofy.Apple.COM> rickf@Apple.COM (Rick Fleischman) writes: > The LAT (Local Access Transport) Connection Tool for the Macintosh > Communications Toolbox is currently shipping from APDA. Good! Now I have two questions. 1. Has the LAT connection tool been tested with MacTerminal 3.0 over FastPaths? 2. Is there any kind of site license available for the LAT tool? David Gutierrez an12280@mdaali.cancer.utexas.edu "Only fools are positive." - Moe Howard
rickf@Apple.COM (Rick Fleischman) (09/14/90)
In article <4103@lib.tmc.edu> an12280@mdaali.cancer.utexas.edu (David Gutierrez) writes: >1. Has the LAT connection tool been tested with MacTerminal 3.0 over >FastPaths? The LAT Connection Tool only works on a Macintosh directly connected to Ethernet. It does not work on a Macintosh connected to a router via LocalTalk cables. > >2. Is there any kind of site license available for the LAT tool? > The only license available for the LAT tool is a commercial redistribution license for distributing the LAT tool with a commercial product. >David Gutierrez >an12280@mdaali.cancer.utexas.edu Rick Fleischman Developer Programs/APDA Apple Computer, Inc. e-mail: rickf@apple.com AppleLink: FLEISCHMAN@applelink.apple.com
roland@dna.lth.se (Roland Mansson) (09/14/90)
In article <1990Sep13.044000.10399@evax.arl.utexas.edu> lindahl@evax.arl.utexas.edu (Charlie Lindahl) writes: >Does the DEC LANWORKS package include MACTCP as well as MACX? Can anyone >give me specific firsthand knowledge? > I think DEC LanWORKS will include MacTCP, and a MacTCP CTB tool that only works with MacX. -- Roland Mansson, Lund University Computing Center, Box 783, S220 07 Lund, Sweden Phone: +46-46107436 Fax: +46-46138225 Bitnet: roland_m@seldc52 Internet: roland.mansson@ldc.lu.se or roland.mansson%ldc.lu.se@uunet.uu.net UUCP: {uunet,mcvax}!sunic!ldc.lu.se!roland.mansson AppleLink: SW0022
lindahl@evax.arl.utexas.edu (Charlie Lindahl) (09/14/90)
At NETWORLD in Dallas this week, I got a DEFINITE answer to the question: Is MACTCP included with DEC LANWORKS (a DEC package which emulates AppleTalk under VMS for $440)? The answer is YES! -- Charlie S. Lindahl Automation and Robotics Research Institute University of Texas at Arlington Internet EMAIL: lindahl@evax.arl.utexas.edu
han@Apple.COM (Byron Han, scapegoat) (09/18/90)
In article <4099@lib.tmc.edu> an12280@mdaali.cancer.utexas.edu (David Gutierrez) writes: >What about the LAT connection tool? We've been waiting for that for a >while so we could get rid of our serial lines attached to DEC terminal >servers. The DEC LANWorks product includes the basic connectivity set (TTY, VT102, ADSP, Serial, Apple Modem, Text, and XMODEM), VT320, LAT, TGA, CTerm, and MacTCP Tool (for use with MacX). I think this covers all of them... Basic Connectivity Set license: $50/year VT320 license: single use $50, redistribution $1000 one time fee LAT license: single use $50, redistribution $2500 one time fee For information on site licensing other tools or more information on licensing these tools, please contact Apple Software Licensing at SW.LICENSE@applelink.apple.COM. Hope this helps.
an12280@mdaali.cancer.utexas.edu (David Gutierrez) (09/18/90)
In article <10269@goofy.Apple.COM> han@Apple.COM (Byron Han, scapegoat) writes: > The DEC LANWorks product includes the basic connectivity set (TTY, VT102, > ADSP, Serial, Apple Modem, Text, and XMODEM), VT320, LAT, TGA, CTerm, and > MacTCP Tool (for use with MacX). Once again: We are *not* going to put 500 Macs on DECnet. Our DECnet table is already full - there are no more addresses available (even with Phase V, our state-wide network will remain crowded). We do fine with BYU Telnet (thanks, NCSA & BYU) for machines with TCP/IP. The one machine that uses LAT only is not sufficient justification for buying LANWorks. Besides, the LAT tool doesn't work for Macs on LocalTalk with a Fastpath connection to Ethernet, which makes it essentially useless for us. We can't afford to put 500 Macs on Ethernet at $800 a pop (not including $200 for each LANWorks node). Which brings us to another topic: I am going to recommend to our computer center that they install LANWorks on the Vaxen but that they *not* put it on any Mac. This should give us file transfer to the Vaxen via AppleShare. For terminal sessions, we will use MacTerminal 3.0 if it lets us make connections via TCP/IP; otherwise, we'll stick with BYU Telnet. For mail access, we'll rely on DEC's Mail Router and a QuickMail bridge (also other bridges to get us to our IBM 3090 mail system and our PC LANs). If we can't get a site license for MacX, we'll buy individual copies for those who want them. In article <10269@goofy.Apple.COM> han@Apple.COM (Byron Han, scapegoat) writes: > Hope this helps. Sorry, Byron: this is not meant to be a flame. I deeply appreciate those Apple employees who take the time and the trouble to talk to us on the net. I'm sure many others will join me in thanking you for your help. David Gutierrez an12280@mdaali.cancer.utexas.edu "Only fools are positive." - Moe Howard
han@Apple.COM (Byron Han, scapegoat) (09/19/90)
In article <4111@lib.tmc.edu> an12280@mdaali.cancer.utexas.edu (David Gutierrez) writes: >For terminal sessions, we will use MacTerminal 3.0 if it lets us make >connections via TCP/IP; otherwise, we'll stick with BYU Telnet. Advanced Software Concepts is shipping their TCPack Connection Tool which provides full Telnet support as well as FTP server capabilities. They have both individual and site licenses available. There are also several other individuals/companies working on TCP/IP and/or Telnet Connection Tools - you know who you are - and are rumored to be available sometime this fall... (I'd tell you you they are except that they would probably tie me up and send me to S. Hussein as a gift...:-)) >Sorry, Byron: this is not meant to be a flame. Not taken as one. Byron Han CommToolbox Scapegoat PTO ICE
an12280@mdaali.cancer.utexas.edu (David Gutierrez) (09/19/90)
In article <10281@goofy.Apple.COM> han@Apple.COM (Byron Han, scapegoat) writes: > Advanced Software Concepts is shipping their TCPack Connection Tool which > provides full Telnet support as well as FTP server capabilities. They have > both individual and site licenses available. This sounds like something we might be able to use. Can you give me contact info for this outfit? David Gutierrez an12280@mdaali.cancer.utexas.edu "Only fools are positive." - Moe Howard
han@Apple.COM (Byron Han, scapegoat) (09/20/90)
In article <4114@lib.tmc.edu> an12280@mdaali.cancer.utexas.edu (David Gutierrez) writes: >In article <10281@goofy.Apple.COM> han@Apple.COM (Byron Han, scapegoat) >writes: >> Advanced Software Concepts is shipping their TCPack Connection Tool which > >This sounds like something we might be able to use. Can you give me contact info for this outfit? > Advanced Software Concepts 215, Chemin de la Sine 06140 Vence (France) ADV.SOFT@applelink.apple.COM (33) 93.58.19.79 Unit price is $150. Site license and corporate licenses are available. Contact them directly. I have no connection with ASC except as a satisfied user of their TCPack Connection Tool
kdb@macaw.intercon.com (Kurt Baumann) (09/20/90)
In article <4114@lib.tmc.edu>, an12280@mdaali.cancer.utexas.edu (David Gutierrez) writes: > > In article <10281@goofy.Apple.COM> han@Apple.COM (Byron Han, scapegoat) > writes: > > Advanced Software Concepts is shipping their TCPack Connection Tool which > > provides full Telnet support as well as FTP server capabilities. They > have > > both individual and site licenses available. > > This sounds like something we might be able to use. Can you give me contact info for this outfit? > It might be noted that their FTP is a seperate application. It isn't a Tool. Just for those who are thinking otherwise. -- Kurt Baumann InterCon Systems Corporation 703.709.9890 Creators of fine TCP/IP products 703.709.9896 FAX for the Macintosh.
han@Apple.COM (Byron Han, scapegoat) (09/20/90)
In article <26F7BB8B.474@intercon.com> kdb@macaw.intercon.com (Kurt Baumann) writes: >In article <4114@lib.tmc.edu>, an12280@mdaali.cancer.utexas.edu (David >Gutierrez) writes: >> >> In article <10281@goofy.Apple.COM> han@Apple.COM (Byron Han, scapegoat) >> writes: >> > Advanced Software Concepts is shipping their TCPack Connection Tool which >> > provides full Telnet support as well as FTP server capabilities. They >> have >> > both individual and site licenses available. >> >It might be noted that their FTP is a seperate application. It isn't a Tool. >Just for those who are thinking otherwise. Actually, there FTP server is integrated into their TCPack Connection Tool. When you open a session using any application that is Connection Manager compliant, the FTP Server activates. So therefore, if you use MacTerminal 3.0 and the TCPack Connection Tool, when you open a document that uses the ASC Tool the FTP server automatically fires up. Similarly with VersaTerm Pro and other Connection Mgr compliant applications. Hope this helps. I have no connection with ASC except as a user of their software. Similarly for Synergy Software. This is not an official Apple statement .
veizades@apple.com (John Veizades) (10/03/90)
For those of you who are still wondering how to get MacX from Apple: MacX is on the Apple Higher Education price list as well as being available for Apple Software licensing. For information on site licensing MacX, please contact Apple Software Licensing at SW.LICENSE@applelink.apple.COM. Otherwise contact your sales representative. John Veizades...