[comp.sys.mac.comm] Comm ToolBox availability?

jmv@sppy00.UUCP (J. Vickroy +1 614 764 4343) (11/20/90)

Is the Mac Comm ToolBox available to non-APDA members? If so
where can I get it?

Thanks in advance,

jim
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rickf@Apple.COM (Rick Fleischman) (11/21/90)

In article <1028@sppy00.UUCP> jmv@sppy00.UUCP (J. Vickroy +1 614 764 4343) writes:
>Is the Mac Comm ToolBox available to non-APDA members? If so
>where can I get it?

You don't have to pay an APDA membership fee to order any product labelled
"Class 1" in the APDA catalog.  Those are final, fully tested products.

You only have to join APDA to purchase untested or beta products.

So, with credit card in hand, you can order the Communications Toolbox from
APDA (without becoming a member) at:
(800) 282-2732 (in the U.S.)
(800) 637-0029 (in Canada)
(408) 562-3910 (International)

Part Number: M0232LL/D   Price: $80.00

Rick Fleischman
Developer Programs/APDA
Apple Computer, Inc.
e-mail: rickf@apple.com
AppleLink: FLEISCHMAN@applelink.apple.com

pj@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Paul Jacoby) (11/22/90)

[Rick writes with regard to getting the CommToolBox from APDA]
So, with credit card in hand, you can order the Communications Toolbox from
APDA (without becoming a member) at:
(800) 282-2732 (in the U.S.)
(800) 637-0029 (in Canada)
(408) 562-3910 (International)
>>
  Rick, can we call the same number and request a catalog without being a
member?
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mha@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu (Mark H. Anbinder) (11/29/90)

In article <11326@goofy.Apple.COM> rickf@Apple.COM (Rick Fleischman) writes:
>In article <1028@sppy00.UUCP> jmv@sppy00.UUCP (J. Vickroy +1 614 764 4343) writes:
>>Is the Mac Comm ToolBox available to non-APDA members? If so
>>where can I get it?
>
>You don't have to pay an APDA membership fee to order any product labelled
>"Class 1" in the APDA catalog.  Those are final, fully tested products.
>
> ...
>
>Part Number: M0232LL/D   Price: $80.00

Yikes!  $80, eh?  Well, luckily, there is an alternative.

Apple Software Licensing provides distribution licenses to people or
organizations who wish to distribute the CTB (among other things).  I am
in the process of getting licensed to do so, and when I've got the license,
I'll post a message here telling people they can get the CTB from my
bulletin board.

If you need it faster... or if you need the complete documentation... 
then you'd better get out that credit card and use the toll-free number
Rick gave us. :-)




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olson@bootsie.UUCP (Eric Olson) (11/29/90)

In article <1990Nov28.175010.2385@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu> mha@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu (Mark H. Anbinder) writes:
>In article <11326@goofy.Apple.COM> rickf@Apple.COM (Rick Fleischman) writes:
>>In article <1028@sppy00.UUCP> jmv@sppy00.UUCP (J. Vickroy +1 614 764 4343) writes:
>>>Is the Mac Comm ToolBox available to non-APDA members? If so
>>>where can I get it?
>>
>>Part Number: M0232LL/D   Price: $80.00
>
>Yikes!  $80, eh?  Well, luckily, there is an alternative.
>

For some reason, the Comm Tool Box and the Basic Connectivity Set
are available for downloading on GEnie.  Perhaps Leonard Rosenthal
(I think he posted them on GEnie) can elaborate on why they are
available there.

The development kit is available only from APDA as far as I know,
and you _do_ have to be a member to get that.

Cheers!

-Eric

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mha@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu (Mark H. Anbinder) (11/30/90)

In article <39@bootsie.UUCP> olson@bootsie.UUCP (Eric Olson) writes:
>
>For some reason, the Comm Tool Box and the Basic Connectivity Set
>are available for downloading on GEnie.  Perhaps Leonard Rosenthal
>(I think he posted them on GEnie) can elaborate on why they are
>available there.

GEnie, America Online, and probably a few other such services, are
ALREADY licensed to distribute the CTB.  They've paid Apple a set
annual fee for the privilege of letting people download it.

The question on your minds... why then can't CTB be posted to
USENET?  Well, Apple's software licensing requires that the distributors
be able to provide information on who has downloaded the software.  The
USENET distribution methods don't offer that kind of auditing abilities.


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leonardr@svc.portal.com (12/01/90)

In article <39@bootsie.UUCP> olson@bootsie.UUCP (Eric Olson) writes:
>For some reason, the Comm Tool Box and the Basic Connectivity Set
>are available for downloading on GEnie.  Perhaps Leonard Rosenthal
>(I think he posted them on GEnie) can elaborate on why they are
>available there.
>
	I can indeed elaborate as to why they are on GEnie...For the same
reason they are on America Online - both of these services have licensing
agreements with Apple for redistribution.  BELIEVE ME, I checked with our
licensing person at Apple before uploading, and she said that our agreement
covered it.  (When I use the possesive, I refer to GEnie as I am a sysop on
GEnie)

>The development kit is available only from APDA as far as I know,
>and you _do_ have to be a member to get that.
>
	Correct!  Development stuff is not covered by the agreement as far
as I am aware.

Leonard

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francis@math.uchicago.edu (Francis Stracke) (12/02/90)

In article <1990Nov30.042648.24328@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu> mha@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu (Mark H. Anbinder) writes:
[...]
>
>GEnie, America Online, and probably a few other such services, are
>ALREADY licensed to distribute the CTB.  They've paid Apple a set
>annual fee for the privilege of letting people download it.
>
>The question on your minds... why then can't CTB be posted to
>USENET?  Well, Apple's software licensing requires that the distributors
>be able to provide information on who has downloaded the software.  The
>USENET distribution methods don't offer that kind of auditing abilities.

Question: do the commercial nets tell their users that they're
telling Apple this stuff?

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urlichs@smurf.sub.org (Matthias Urlichs) (12/02/90)

In comp.sys.mac.comm, article <1990Dec1.212640.13301@midway.uchicago.edu>,
  francis@math.uchicago.edu (Francis Stracke) writes:
< In article <1990Nov30.042648.24328@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu> mha@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu (Mark H. Anbinder) writes:
< >
< >
< >The question on your minds... why then can't CTB be posted to
< >USENET?  Well, Apple's software licensing requires that the distributors
< >be able to provide information on who has downloaded the software.  The
< >USENET distribution methods don't offer that kind of auditing abilities.
< 
< Question: do the commercial nets tell their users that they're
< telling Apple this stuff?
< 
No -- but are they? All the agreement seems to say (or so the above
information says) is that they are _able_ to tell Apple who did it.

I don't think anyone at Apple is really interested in that information..?
Or in fact that anyone ever told Apple who has downloaded System software
from their network/BBS/whatever...?

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mha@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu (Mark H. Anbinder) (12/03/90)

In article <sq8pg2.7a@smurf.sub.org> urlichs@smurf.sub.org (Matthias Urlichs) writes:
>In comp.sys.mac.comm, article <1990Dec1.212640.13301@midway.uchicago.edu>,
>  francis@math.uchicago.edu (Francis Stracke) writes:
>< In article <1990Nov30.042648.24328@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu> mha@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu (Mark H. Anbinder) writes:
>< >
>< >
>< >The question on your minds... why then can't CTB be posted to
>< >USENET?  Well, Apple's software licensing requires that the distributors
>< >be able to provide information on who has downloaded the software.  The
>< >USENET distribution methods don't offer that kind of auditing abilities.
>< 
>< Question: do the commercial nets tell their users that they're
>< telling Apple this stuff?
>< 
>No -- but are they? All the agreement seems to say (or so the above
>information says) is that they are _able_ to tell Apple who did it.

I certainly hope so.  The licensing agreement we have to sign in order to
get permission to distribute the software electronically states that the
text of the end-user license be made available to the user before s/he
downloads the software.  In fact, the agreement requires that the user
HAVE to look at the end-user license before being ABLE to download the
file.

Matthias is right, though, in that Apple doesn't say the information must
be sent to them, just that the information must be AVAILABLE to them.  I
can't imagine they'd want to know in all cases, but in order to retain
their copyright, should it ever be challenged, APPLE would have to prove
that they have access to that information.

If these services aren't telling their users that this information is
being kept, and that it is available to Apple, that's not polite.

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